Divine Dreamwalker Works Revision: TD3, Immeasurable speed and 6-D

[ImmortalDread]

We have lower worlds consisting of worlds in flowers etc (assuming it is accepted as High-1B) and Chaos (where all things begin and end. Concepts of spacetime, Fate, causality /Karma wiped out exists upon entering it.It is infinite compared to the rest of the lower worlds except Ancient Road of Gods, everything past, present, similar is just small islands and Chaos is infinite ocean). Then we have the God Realm, where the whole lower world is equally fictional, God realm implies the existence of countless if not infinite r-f layers in itself as well as a realm that transcends all notions of reality/truth and illusion/perception/thought/imagination (and treat highest reality as a dream).

The God realm exists in Ancient Chaos (the Chaos of the Lower worlds is only its faintest projection) and expands continuously indefinitely until it absorbs and fills chaos and explodes. God realm represents everything. Above it lies the Annulled Realm - absolute nothingness where the rest of the verse is just matter compared to its true nothingness, as well as illusion compared to its reality. MC has turned his entire empire/his own God Realm into the Annulled realm, creating a world higher than the God realm into which all beings will advance in the future

Literally no wonder because Sage Monarch and DT are ranked very high by the Chinese themselves in their tier. With Yang Qi and his aunt (or mother) placed right next to FAA and Gan while Gu Chensa is always placed with Awlba, Seeker, TOAA, SCP... Their tier is also superior to infinite layers of infinite boxes/above 1-A+ as well as higher than Ergenverse (1-A in wiki) by three tiers lol

Alright

 

[Rabbit2002]

To stop derailing the topic, let me finally say that Han Jue from top tier providence has the potential to reach the top of this list

This make me remember In my Country Gu Chensa is one of strongest MC in Wuxia genre lol. With only MCs that can surpass or compare to him only MC of Sage who transcends Samsara and MC of a work with the same author as Top Tier Providence (最强神话帝皇. It has a manhua and probably same verse with Han Jue one iirc). it was kind of weird that people at that time used Tarouverse's digit as the tier for all fiction and all three were somewhere between baseline 3 digits and 2 digits lol

 

[wozirut]

We have lower worlds consisting of worlds in flowers etc (assuming it is accepted as High-1B) and Chaos (where all things begin and end. Concepts of spacetime, Fate, causality /Karma wiped out exists upon entering it.It is infinite compared to the rest of the lower worlds except Ancient Road of Gods, everything past, present, similar is just small islands and Chaos is infinite ocean). Then we have the God Realm, where the whole lower world is equally fictional, God realm implies the existence of countless if not infinite r-f layers in itself as well as a realm that transcends all notions of reality/truth and illusion/perception/thought/imagination (and treat highest reality as a dream).

The God realm exists in Ancient Chaos (the Chaos of the Lower worlds is only its faintest projection) and expands continuously indefinitely until it absorbs and fills chaos and explodes. God realm represents everything. Above it lies the Annulled Realm - absolute nothingness where the rest of the verse is just matter compared to its true nothingness, as well as illusion compared to its reality. MC has turned his entire empire/his own God Realm into the Annulled realm, creating a world higher than the God realm into which all beings will advance in the future

Literally no wonder because Sage Monarch and DT are ranked very high by the Chinese themselves in their tier. With Yang Qi and his aunt (or mother) placed right next to FAA and Gan while Gu Chensa is always placed with Awlba, Seeker, TOAA, SCP... Their tier is also superior to infinite layers of infinite boxes/above 1-A+ as well as higher than Ergenverse (1-A in wiki) by three tiers lol

However today in the Chinese vs battle forum, a lot of people doubt on the high tier of dragon talisman.

 

[Rabbit2002]

However today in the Chinese vs battle forum, a lot of people doubt on the high tier of dragon talisman.

Interesting
Can you give me scan?

 

[Rabbit2002]

Ukay stop derailment here

I guess Immeasurable speed seems fine.

For the infinite Hierarchy, do you mean the God Realm?

Are you ok with Sage Monarch's 6-D universe (In God Realm) and 2-A (yeah it's going to be a higher tier but I guess it'll take a long time to do a full upgrade on it)? As well as these

Anyway What do you think about the rest of the thread?

Also there's something pretty obvious that I forgot to add. It's Large size type 10, Empyrean Dao Physiology , Abstract Existence type 1 for both Yang Qi (Sage Monarch) (second key?) and Proud Heaven (first key)

Since they are comparable to Greensura who is larger than God realm (and also the essence of the whole God realm, similar to Yang Qi but his God realm aka Sage Monarch Empire, Proud Heaven is Great Necropolis and essence of God realm), and Proud Heaven he will have Abstract existence type 1 because the essence of God realm is infinite order, infinite fate, The very concept of "everything", Three Realms (Truth/Reality, Illusion/Imagination,Nevasaññānāsaññāyatana) and his body aka Great Necropolis is made from quinessence of Burying. Yang Qi (first key) should have Higher-Dimensional existence since his body contain countless multiverses (quote in 2-A Godmyth part) and this can scale to Leef-Dao and Proud Heaven (who stronger than him at that time)

For Empyrean Dao physiology, Proud Heaven swallowed them to increase his own power

Spoiler

Since many people have asked about NEP layers of Nevasaññānāsaññāyatana in particular and Sage Monarch in general, I will explain it as well as Upgrade TD3 for Nevasaññānāsaññāyatana. Of course this is not strange because verse had tons of concepts about NEP before these even existed lol
The former thread of Nevasanna..

https://vsbattles.com/threads/sage-monarch-half-annulled-nep-transduality.133271/

 

[Elizhaa]

No, The High-1A I'm talking about is about DT, MC (Gu Chensa) somehow supersedes the whole framework of the concept of "realm" including infinite Deathless levels, it's basically like what Muchacho suggested earlier except Nullverse/Baseline 10th Deathless as 1-A and everything below as 2-A


God realm is from Sage Monarch. I suggested 6-D for it in the thread but @deonment and Ultima are fine with Godmyth's feat having to be High-1B like DT's cosmic ocean instead of 2-A.

I'm not arguing for it in thread because there's not too much evidence for the smallest world in the infinite series to be the baseline world like DT (and I plan to save it for upgrading later)
except for the feat that takes place in a square located in the pocket reality (Brahman academy/institute) of the fifth rank immortal world (finite size and measurable in light years).

The immortal worlds are basically planes of existence that exist in the higher universe.

If being outside the framework of Tier 1-A hierarchy of High 1-A from Gu Chensa's point, what are your arguments for tier 0 because MC is beyond characters like Gu Chensa, and if so, can you elaborate?
I could see High 1-A being fine.

Are you ok with Sage Monarch's 6-D universe (In God Realm) and 2-A (yeah it's going to be a higher tier but I guess it'll take a long time to do a full upgrade on it)? As well as these

I would say these both required a similar amount of input. I would keep the other option available.
I think staff like @Planck69 and @Sir_Ovens can help with their input.


On the other things, I guess they are fine; though, large size type 10 might be type 11 if tier 1-A and/or up is agreed with.

 

[deonment]

If being outside the framework of Tier 1-A hierarchy of High 1-A from Gu Chensa's point, what are your arguments for tier 0 because MC is beyond characters like Gu Chensa, and if so, can you elaborate?
I could see High 1-A being fine.

Tier 0 is not being argued, Gu Chensa, the MC, is being argued to be High 1-A, due to being beyond the deathless hierarchy, in that post.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

How the hell did this jump from 6-D to High 1-A, dear lord.

 

[Delta333]

Neutral with High 1-A for now since idk should it qualify for being inaccessible or not but I agree with 1-A or 1-A+ being a thing.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

How the hell did this jump from 6-D to High 1-A, dear lord.

an infinite hiearachy where infinite universes are conntained within a realm and so on

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

an infinite hiearachy where infinite universes are conntained within a realm and so on

Good, we need more 1-A and High 1-A Chinaman.

 

[Fixxed]

Primal Chaos: 2-A (Truly infinite to 2-B Empyrean World)
Mortal Realm: 2-A (Quintillion times Primal Chaos)
Nanoverse: 2-A (much larger than Mortalverse)
Microverse/Mesoverse/ Megaverse/Gigaverse: 2-A (each larger than the last)
Super-Terraverse: At Least 2-A
Super-Giga-Terraverse: infinitely times Super-Terraverse
Hyper-Infiniteverse: At least Eight to Eighth Hundreds time Super-Giga-Terraverse
Multiverse/Yang Qi (DT) (after Hundred Thousand year timeskip): Countless times Hyper-Infiniteverses
Cosmic Ocean/Infinite power of mind : 2-A (Infinitely times Multiverse) or High-1B
A random 9th Deathless who created cosmic ocean: countless x Infinite x infinite times Cosmic Ocean since their power is infinities upon infinities (each living being in Cosmic ocean has infinite power of the mind. There are countless drop of water in ocean, infinite universes in each drop since it's a loop, each universe much larger than 2-A so infinite beings)
Annulleverse/Annulled Immortality/10th Deathless: 2-A or High-1B? Low-1A? 1-A? (since they're apophatic to everything below)
MC: scale above infinite hierarchy of Deathless realms

Well, super giga terra i think it low 1C. Because it infinitely larger than 2A structure

About cosmic ocean, i dont think it can high 1B, in your explanation i dont see any mention of hierarcy until infinite. It can be qualitative superior to the previous world because of above infinite power (infinities upon infinities), but that just 1-2 times higher infinity. So i think it just low 1C-1C (6D-7D)

If annulleverse and the other is qualitative superior to the previous world, then it can be higher tier. And if the hierarchy of deathless realm is qualitative superior to each other, i think it can high 1B

And then the MC, if he is not just above the hiearachy but he is qualitative superior to the hierarchy it self or in higher infinity than the hierarchy, he can be 1A, if above it just low 1A because too vague (if the hierarchy high 1B)

 

[ImmortalDread]

This is high 1-A, count me as agreements, I can see the arguments for boundless but a bit context is needed.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Also, do you have discord server for this verse? Sounds so damn interesting.

 

[Elizhaa]

Tier 0 is not being argued, Gu Chensa, the MC, is being argued to be High 1-A, due to being beyond the deathless hierarchy, in that post.

Alright, SCP, as a high tier 0 verse, being mentioned made me think there could have been an argument.

 

[Rabbit2002]

If being outside the framework of Tier 1-A hierarchy of High 1-A from Gu Chensa's point, what are your arguments for tier 0 because MC is beyond characters like Gu Chensa, and if so, can you elaborate?
I could see High 1-A being fine.

I would say these both required a similar amount of input. I would keep the other option available.
I think staff like @Planck69 and @Sir_Ovens can help with their input.


On the other things, I guess they are fine; though, large size type 10 might be type 11 if tier 1-A and/or up is agreed with.

Thanks!
Also for High-1B, looks like I messed up a few things.

Cosmic Ocean actually exists in an Infiniteverse/Hyper-Infiniteverse (无尽无边无际宇宙 which literally translate to super limitless endless boundless universe Lol)

Ha ha ha..."
In an infinite and endless boundless universe, there is a giant who originally reached the trillion lifespans Null immortality realm, and now the virtual panel in the depths of his mind disappeared at once, immediately he had nothing to worry about and began his evolutionary path.
"Absorb, release! ......"
The power of his mind began to expand infinitely in this universe.
Huge power condensed into one universe after another around his body, and it became a cosmic ocean in a flash.
"哈哈哈……"
在一个无限无尽无边无际宇宙中，有一尊巨头原本是到达了万亿寿命无不朽境界的人物，现在心灵深处的虚拟面板一下消失，顿时他无所顾忌，开始了自己的进化之路。
"吸收，释放！……"
在这个宇宙中，他的心灵之力开始了无限膨胀。
庞大的力量在自己身躯周围凝结成了一个又一个的宇宙，转眼之间，又成了宇宙海洋。- Chapter 1147

In addition, the hierarchy of the universes before the Annuleverse appeared was still the Inconceivableverse being the largest and the highest. So I guess more people will become High-1B than I thought. In the beginning it was just Lou Baiyue at first since she possessed infinite control over infinite power of mind instead of being overloaded like 9th Deathless created the cosmic ocean

Even as he spoke, he waved his hand, causing everything around him to spin. Shockingly, he was using some sort of teleportation technique to teleport the entire temple into a larger universe.
Originally, the ranks of universes were divided into Nanoverse, Microverse, Mesoverse, Megaverse, Gigaverse, Super-Teraverse, Super-Giant-Teraverse and Hyper-Infiniteverse and Inconceivableverses.
But now, a universe even larger than an inconceivable universe had been born.
That was "Annullverse".
This universe was formed by the power that was spread throughout the multiverse. Chapter 1149

就在这个巨头无休止提升自己力量的时候，突然他感觉到了无法控制自己的力量，那庞大的心灵之力暴走。
"怎么回事，怎么回事，我彻底控制不住体内的力量了。"
这个巨头大吃一惊，只觉得自己缔造的宇宙海洋波动起来，这股震荡使得他的体内心灵产生了某种共振，然后把他直接摧毁。
一股火焰升腾起来。
在火焰之中，这个巨头节节崩溃，最后在惨叫之中，化为了灰烬。
这只是一个例子。
他肆无忌惮的修炼提升自己力量，终于控制不住自己的心灵之力，使得这庞大的心灵之力暴走，然后化为乌有。
在接下来的岁月之中，这样的例子层出不穷。
许多巨头因为释放了压力，想要一口气把自己的心灵之力全部释放出来，提升修为，结果就是死亡。
心灵最难操纵。
就如一个快要饿死的人，突然看到了许多美食，于是他尽情的吃喝，毫无节制，最后胀死了。
Just when this giant was endlessly improving his power, he suddenly felt that he could not control his power, and the huge spiritual power ran away.
"What's going on, what's going on, I can't control the power in my body at all."
The giant was taken aback, he only felt that the cosmic ocean he had created was fluctuating, and this shock caused some kind of resonance in his body and soul, and then directly destroyed him.
A flame rose up.
In the flames, the giant collapsed, and finally turned into ashes amidst the screams.
This is just an example.
He practiced unscrupulously to improve his strength, and finally he couldn't control his spiritual power, causing this huge spiritual power to run wild, and then turned into nothing.
In the ensuing years, such examples emerge in endlessly.
Because many giants released the pressure, they wanted to release all their spiritual power in one breath and improve their cultivation, but the result was death.
The mind is the most difficult to manipulate.
It's like a person who is about to starve to death, suddenly sees a lot of delicious food, so he eats and drinks to his heart's content, without restraint, and finally dies of swelling. Chapter 1149

"尘沙，你把那虚拟面板取消了，果然带来的不是好事，而是一轮轮的灾难，很多人因此就控制不住心灵之力，遭到了劫数，你看那个巨头！"武圣 指着一处不可思议世界之中的超级大佬。
这大佬在以前是个寿命数万亿的存在。
但是他也因为虚拟面板消失之后，在自己的心灵深处，居然诞生出来了一尊魔头，和自己一模一样神通的魔头。
这魔头是他内心阴暗的凝聚体，和他有一样的神通，一样的智慧，一样的能力。
魔头一出来，就开始大肆杀戮，把他所在的宇宙杀得血流成河，血染星空，最后还反过来对付他，两人大战之间，宇宙毁灭，同归于尽。
很多大能也发生了同样的事情，他们本身就可以一念生宇宙，更别说是自己的意念心灵深处诞生出来强大的存在了。
"实验的数据，你们收集到了没有。"
古尘沙问诸葛牙楼拜月等人。
"收集到了，这一次的变革所产生的许多数据，是我们亿年来所采集的千百万倍，因为他们彻底释放了自己的心灵之力，特别是失控的这种表现，可以给我们提供无数 的经验，我们现在推算，可以更加完美的控制，到达最后，以无限的掌控能力，推动无限的心灵之力，如此一来，就已经更加接近非有无不朽之境界了。"诸葛牙看着 数据不停的跳跃自行分析，更加参悟了某些东西。
"Chensha, you canceled that virtual panel, and what you really brought was not a good thing, but a series of disasters. Because of this, many people couldn't control the power of their minds, and they were doomed. Look at that giant!" Wu Sheng Pointing to a super boss in an incredible world.
This boss used to be an existence with a life span of trillions.
But because of the disappearance of the virtual panel, a demon was born in the depths of his heart, a demon with exactly the same supernatural power as himself.
This devil is the dark coagulation of his heart, and he has the same supernatural power, the same wisdom, and the same ability as him.
As soon as the devil came out, he began to kill wantonly, killing the universe he was in until blood flowed into rivers and blood stained the starry sky, and finally turned against him. During the battle between the two, the universe was destroyed and both died.
The same thing happened to many great powers. They themselves can generate the universe with a single thought, let alone a powerful existence born from the depths of their own thoughts and hearts.
"Have you collected the data of the experiment?"
Gu Chensha asked Zhuge Ya, Lou Baiyue and others.
We have collected a lot of data generated by this revolution, which is tens of millions of times what we have collected in hundred millions of years, because they have completely released their spiritual power, especially the performance of being out of control, which can provide us with countless experience, we now calculate, can be more perfectly controlled, and at the end, with infinite control ability, to promote infinite spiritual power, in this way, it is already closer to the realm of Annulled Immortality." Zhuge Ya watched the data keep jumping and analyzed on his own, and he realized something more. Chapter 1149

Since there is a size difference between Hyper-Infiniteverses like Old World even one hundred times larger in one thousand years it is still impossible to level up or the New World expanding in infinity, never ending without becoming an Inconceivableverse.

"这千年之间，旧世界越来越大。"闻洪道："比起千年前的旧世界大了何止百倍，其中的英雄人物更是如雨后春笋不停出世，在其中无数的气数之王 ，甚至是王中王出现。那六个人，就是最强的王中之王，霸主中的霸主，甚至连我的气数都有所不如。如果我现在去对付六人其中的任何一个，都恐怕是输 多赢少的局面。"
"During the millennium, the old world has become bigger and bigger." Wen Hong said: "Compared to the old world a thousand years ago, it is more than a hundred times bigger, and heroes in it are springing up like mushrooms after a spring rain. Among them, countless kings of vitality , and even the king of kings appeared. Those six people are the strongest king of kings, the overlord of overlords, and even my spirit is not as good. If I deal with any of the six people now, I am afraid I will lose It's a win-win situation." Chapter 1103

"尘沙，你的非有无不朽之道似乎就要成功了。"武圣道："其实你缔造命运长河，时时刻刻管理众生的命运，对于自己也是巨大负担，现在你把命运长河爆炸，使得 众生再也不被命运所束缚，你自己也不用管理了，等于是无事一身轻，修为再次暴涨也是理所当然。""正是如此。"古尘沙看着自己的新世界，巨大辉煌，在无穷的扩张，诞生出来了无数宇宙，每时每刻都在衍生出来很多世界，而旧世界则是漆黑沉沉，在 外面的晶壁系化为了许多旋涡，不停的吸收许多宇宙。
Chensa, it seems that your Way of Annulled Immortality is about to succeed." The Martial Saint said, "In fact, you created the long river of destiny and managed the destiny of all beings all the time, which was also a huge burden for yourself, now you exploded the long river of destiny, so that all beings are no longer bound by destiny, and you don't have to manage it yourself, so it's just like nothing, and it's only natural for your cultivation to soar again."
"Exactly so." Gu Chensa looked at his new world, huge and glorious, expanding in infinity, giving birth to countless universes, deriving many worlds every moment, while the old world was dark and dreary, turning into many vortices in the crystal wall system outside, constantly absorbing many universes. Chapter 1097

现在的四大无量无尽无边无际宇宙之中，各自鼎立，新世界，旧世界，非新旧世界，还有无寿宇宙。
就如在很早之前，母巢宇宙，奥术宇宙，太武宇宙，混元宇宙并列一般。
不过，那时候的奥术，母巢等宇宙，不过是超级巨无霸宇宙而已，比起现在的无寿宇宙小了一个等级。
别看这一个小小的等级，那就是天囊之别都不足以形容。
In the current four hyper-infiniteverses, each stands in its own right, the new world, the old world, the non-new and old world, and the lifeless universe.
Just like a long time ago, the brood universe, the arcane universe, the Taiwu universe, and the Hunyuan universe were juxtaposed.However, the arcane, brood and other universes at that time were just Super-Giant Terraverses, one level smaller than the current lifeless universe.
Don't look at this small level, that is, the difference between heaven and earth is not enough to describe. Chapter 1124

陈奇道：“不过，我要知道一点，就是现在新世界也不是超过了无限无尽无边无际宇宙的存在，为什么你能够晋升，我需要知道你是怎么晋升的，否则的话，我们内心深处不会真正 踏实，而且你的经验告诉我们，我们才有更多参考价值。”
“我的经验你们不可复制，我本身就是特殊的存在。”古新剑笑道。
Chen Qidao: "However, I need to know one thing, that is, the new world is not beyond the existence of infiniteverse, why you can be promoted, I need to know how you were promoted, otherwise, deep down in our hearts, we will not truly Be down-to-earth, and your experience tells us that we have more reference value."
"You cannot copy my experience, I am a special existence." Gu Xinjian laughed. Chapter 1125

It would be safe to assume the normal Hyper-Infiniteverse would be "At least 2-A possibly far higher" as well as the characters that could be significant to it (tens of billions lifespans Null Immortality realm and above)

The Inconceivableverse would be High-1B since it is larger than any hyper-Infiniteverses including the universe containing the cosmic ocean, in fact it could be much higher since the reason for its name is because it is difficult to name or describe while even a universe containing a cosmic ocean could still be within the scope of the "Hyper-Infiniteverse"

同样是天道境界，但是能力却是天差地别，我把宇宙的规模也划分一下，目前最小的宇宙，可以称呼为微型宇宙，然后就是小型宇宙，中型宇宙，大型宇宙，巨型宇宙，超级巨 无霸宇宙，超级无量无尽宇宙。 "古尘沙观察多元宇宙，按照形体，给宇宙进行定位，然后他也就按照这个规矩，给天道境界的人也定位了
It is also the realm of Heavenly Dao, but the ability is very different. I will also divide the scale of the universe. At present, the smallest universe can be called a nanoverse, and then there are microverses, mesoverses, megaverses, gigaverses, and super-giga-terraverses, hyper-infiniteverses." Gu Chensha observed the multiverse, and positioned the universe according to the shape, and then he also positioned people in the realm of Heavenly Dao according to this rule. Chapter 1060

三大世界猛烈的颤抖，彻底融合在一起，组成了一个不知名的宇宙，这个宇宙已经完全超过了无限无尽无边无际宇宙。
这种宇宙，已经不知道用什么来称呼。
这种宇宙彻底晋升的刹那，所有的人都得到了洗礼，实力大进。Chapter 1133
The three worlds trembled violently and completely merged together to form an unknown universe. This universe has completely surpassed the infinite and boundless universe.
I no longer know what to call this kind of universe.
At the moment when this kind of universe is completely promoted, everyone has been baptized and their strength has greatly improved. Chapter 1133

900 billion lifespan Null Immortality can create an inconceivableverse. This means Yang Qi (DT) and Chen Qi will scale to it

"不错，现在我们已经没有了退路，这毕竟不是我们的时代，我们也会死。"江厘道："如果是属于我们的时代，哪怕是遇到任何劫数，任何危险，都没有一点死亡的 气息降临到达我们身上。可是现在，完全不同了，我们没有任何的光环，随时都会死亡，而且越到达后来，越是危险，其实现在有万亿寿命的人出现，就可以杀死我们，我们现在 的力量虽然已经到达了九千多亿，实际上，九千亿的寿命和万亿寿命实在是相差太大了，虽然不如天道境界和无不朽境界的差别，可是也是很难战胜的存在。我们 现在五人联手，也杀不死一尊万亿级别的存在，除非是……"
"That's right, now we have no way out. After all, this is not our era, we will die too." Jiang Li said: "If it belongs to our era, even if we encounter any calamity or any danger, we will not die at all. The breath descends on us. But now, it’s completely different. We don't have any halo, we will die at any time, and the more we reach the later stage, the more dangerous it is, in fact, people with trillion of lifespans can kill us now, although our current strength has reached more than 900 billions, in fact, the lifespan of 900 billions and trillion of lifespans is really very different. Although it is not as good as the difference between the realm of Heavenly Dao and the realm of null immortality, it is still very difficult to defeat. Now the five of us join forces, and we can't kill a trillion-level existence, unless it is..." Chapter 1143

三十万年过去了。
四十万年过去了。
足足百万年时间过去。
终于，宇宙起了很大的变化，多元宇宙之中，已经不知道多少高手陨落，多少高手成长，又一个"不可思议宇宙"诞生了。
这是突然诞生的一个宇宙。
和陈奇主持的那宇宙差不多大小，威能一样，代表了某个人的力量，已经和陈奇差不多，甚至有所超过。
不过，这个不可思议宇宙非常神秘，诞生之后，其中的主人根本没有出现，似乎是这个宇宙没有任何主人，可有些最强的高手都知道，是个神秘的至尊人物在主持一切。
而百万年的时间，让无数的人都忘记了古尘沙，忘记了楼拜月，忘记了闻洪，忘记了诸葛牙，甚至忘记了周钦等六人。
连当年造成了无数破坏的秦光，新生代也都忘记了。
只是每个人心中的那虚拟面
Three hundred thousand years have passed.
Four hundred thousand years have passed.
A full million years have passed.
Finally, the universe has undergone great changes. In the multiverse, an unknown number of masters have fallen, and how many masters have grown up. Another "unbelievable universe/Inconceivableverse" was born.
This is a universe that was suddenly born.
It is about the same size as the universe presided over by Chen Qi, and has the same power. It represents a certain person's power, which is already similar to or even surpassed by Chen Qi.
However, this inconceivable universe is very mysterious. After its birth, its master did not appear at all. It seems that there is no master in this universe, but some of the strongest masters know that it is a mysterious supreme figure who presides over everything.
And in a million years, countless people have forgotten Gu Chensha, Lou Baiyue, Wen Hong, Zhuge Ya, and even Zhou Qin and other six people.
Even Qin Guang, who caused countless damages back then, and the new generation have forgotten.
It's just the virtual face in everyone's heart

十万年过去了。
突然，又有一个不可思议级别的宇宙诞生了，这个宇宙诞生是人为的，那个宇宙的缔造者，是一尊巨头，此巨头也十分神秘，但他没有什么大的动作，缔造了不可思议级别的宇宙之后 ，就开始闭关修炼。
百万年过去了。
在这期间，再次诞生了数十个不可思议级别的宇宙，那小一级的无限无尽无边无际宇宙更是有了数千个之多
而更小的超级巨无霸宇宙，那是数万个。
再也不像是当年，超级巨无霸宇宙只有四个，奥术宇宙，母巢宇宙，太武宇宙，混元宇宙。
宇宙越来越多，是因为在多元宇宙之中，觉醒了心灵之力的强者越来越多，他们开始缔造宇宙，变化万千。
稍微的无不朽强者，就可以缔造出来许多超级巨无霸宇宙，有一些千亿寿命的无不朽境界强者，甚至可以大量制造无限无尽无边无际宇宙。
到达了九千亿寿命的强者，甚至还可以缔造不可思议级别的宇宙。
总而言之，古尘沙自从参悟了无龙心法之后，就等于是为众生打开了一个魔盒，魔盒一打开，就不可收拾了。
这正是他所想要的。
随着时间的推移，古尘沙的威名在多元宇宙之中逐渐淡化。
只有一些强大的存在依稀记得有这个人，毕竟在上一个百万年，他就没有出世了。 更何况是现在？
不过，他所凝练的面板还在，存在于每一个终生的心灵深处，告诉他们的生命还有多少，这就等于是催命符，给了每一个众生修炼的动力。
如果众生不努力修炼，就会看着自己的生命一点点流逝，再也挽回过来。
One hundred thousand years have passed.
Suddenly, another universe of incredible level was born. The birth of this universe is man-made. The creator of that universe is a giant. This giant is also very mysterious, but he did not make any big moves. After creating an inconceivableverse, and began to practice in closed doors.Million of years have passed.During this period, dozens of universes of inconceivable levels were born again, and there were thousands of Hyper-Infiniteverses of the smaller level.
And the smaller super giant terraverses, that's tens of thousands.
It's no longer like back then when there were only four super giant-terraverses, the Arcane Universe, the Brood Universe, the Taiwu Universe, and the Hunyuan Universe.
There are more and more universes, because in the multiverse, there are more and more powerful people who have awakened the power of the mind, and they began to create the universe, which has changed a lot.
A little null immortal powerhouse can create many super giant universes, and some null immortal realm powerhouses with a lifespan of hundred of billions can even create a large number of hyper-infiniteverses. Those who have reached a lifespan of 900 billion can even create an inconceivableverse chapter 1145

As you can see, there is a hierarchy of powers and realms for nearly everyone under the Annulled Immortality regarding longevity. Blame MC because he's an asshole who made everyone lose their immortality so the longer you can live, the stronger you become and the bigger the universes, the more universes you can create

And we have White Teen (a fusion of Yang Qi and the remaining 5 MCs, which will basically be his third key) that has achieved infinite lifespan. Then even powering up himself by absorbing the essence of Zhou Qin, all the power and will of every being in the multiverse to fight the MCs, it also noted that he had achieved to a state where the concept of size has no meaning, but he's bigger than MC by countless times. Since both him and MC (actually suppressing his own power) reached that state and White Teen is "bigger/stronger" than him countless times.

无数的神念交织，强大气息在多元宇宙之中蔓延，是无数的无不朽级别高手。
现在多元宇宙中，无不朽级别的高手非常之多，虽然不说是多如牛毛，可也说得上之过江之鲫。
当然，哪怕是无不朽的高手这么多，在任何宇宙中，也是老祖级别的大人物，可以坐镇一方，享受极乐。现在天地宇宙多元世界之中的众生，想要修炼到达无不朽的境界，也倒也不是那么容易的事情。
无不朽的境界之上，还有百亿寿命的无不朽，千亿寿命的无不朽境界，万亿寿命的无不朽境界。
万亿为一兆。
有很多高手已经到达了一兆，甚至几兆的寿命。
除此之外，甚至有的高手有可能突破十兆寿命。
十兆寿命之多的无上境界，白衣少年肯定已经突破了，甚至，他已经获得了无限寿命，打破了古尘沙的虚拟面板。另外，那个获得了古新剑和陈奇精华的人，肯定也仅次于白衣少年。
Countless spiritual thoughts are intertwined, and the powerful breath spreads in the multiverse. They are countless masters without immortality.
Now in the multiverse, there are so many non-immortal level masters. Although it is not said that there are so many, it can be said to be the crucian carp that crosses the river.
Of course, even if there are so many masters without immortality, in any universe, they are also great figures at the level of ancestors, who can sit in one side and enjoy bliss.
It is not so easy for the sentient beings in the multiple worlds of the heaven, earth and universe to cultivate to the realm of immortality.
Beyond the realm of null immortality, there is also the realm of ten of billions of lives, the realm of hundred of billions of lives, and the realm of trillion of lives.
Ten thousand times hundred million is a trillion.
There are many masters who have reached a lifespan of one trillion or even several trillion.
In addition, some masters may even break through ten trillion lifespans.
The boy in white must have broken through the supreme realm of ten trillion lifespans. He has even gained an infinite lifespan, breaking Gu Chensha's virtual panel.
In addition, the person who obtained Gu Xinjian and Chen Qi's essence must be second only to the boy in white. Chapter 1145

无数的大人物神念交织，在瞬息之间，组成了一个共同的认识。
轰隆！
大家对于灭杀古尘沙，获得永生的意见统一了。
浩浩荡荡的意志，全部汇聚到达了白衣少年的身上。
顿时之间，白衣少年就是多元宇宙的主宰，真正主人，他的身躯比起古尘沙大上了无数倍，是真正意义上的"大"。
其实到达了现在这个境界，大小这个词语对于古尘沙和白衣少年并没有什么意义，可是现在，所有人的眼里，白衣少年比古尘沙大，那就说明了，他的实力超过了古尘沙。
The spiritual thoughts of countless great figures are intertwined, forming a common understanding in an instant.
Boom!
Everyone agreed on killing Gu Chensha and gaining eternal life.
All the mighty will converged on the young man in white.
All of a sudden, the boy in white is the master of the multiverse, the real master, his body is countless times bigger than Gu Chensha, and he is "big" in the true sense.
In fact, after reaching the current state, the word size has no meaning to Gu Chensha and the boy in white, but now, in the eyes of everyone, the boy in white is bigger than Gu Chensha, which means that his strength surpasses that of Gu Chensha. Chapter 1148

His attack covers everywhere the MC can hide and avoid. MC when he was much weaker (not even reaching Null Immortality lol) easily moved to an infinite Abyss that transcends all concepts of "size", "space" and "time" since these concepts do not exist and cannot describe its infinity and it's the source of everything

那巨大的手掌镇压下来，是无数众生的意志，必杀古尘沙。
古尘沙就这样眯着眼睛看着那手掌缓缓压迫下来，他也没有逃避，实际上，这手掌已经涵盖了无数时空，根本没有地方可以逃走或者闪避。
再说了，古尘沙怎么可能闪避逃走？
The suppression of that huge palm is the will of countless sentient beings, which will surely kill Gu Chensha.
Gu Chensha just squinted his eyes and watched the palm slowly pressing down, and he didn't escape. In fact, this palm has covered countless time and space, and there is no place to escape or dodge at all.
Besides, how could Gu Chensha dodge and escape? Chapter 1148

古尘沙把命运长河抛开，身躯一动，来到了一个所有的人都无法到达之地。这是一块不存于任何时间，空间之中的天外之天的深幽之地。
这个空间无限巨大，无限广阔，似乎是一切的源头，当年的混沌够巨大了，可在这个地方面前，根本不算什么。
这个地方，已经不能够用大来形容，因为此地似乎没有了大小概念，也没有时间和空间的概念。
这里到处都弥漫着一种可怕的意志。在中心地带，一团比人间界不知道大多少倍的东西蠕动着，这东西既不是物质，也不是能量，也不是非物质，也不是非能量。
Gu Chensha put aside the long river of fate, moved his body, and came to a place that no one can reach.
This is a spaceless and timeless abyss exists beyond the Heaven
This space is infinitely huge and vast, and it seems to be the source of everything. The chaos back then was huge enough, but in front of this place, it is nothing at all.
This place can no longer be described as big, because it seems that there is no concept of size, nor the concept of time and space.
There is a terrible will here and there.
In the central area, a group of things that are many times larger than the human world are wriggling. This thing is neither matter, nor energy, nor non-matter, nor non-energy. Chapter 993

Despite being strong, White Teen is really not the top of the 9th Deathless, later there are countless heroes and demons born from the mind, each one stronger than the previous one and so we have some existences stronger than White Teen and there are hierarchy for this

神秘之地。
古尘沙依旧观看多元宇宙变化。整个多元宇宙进入了一种混乱期，许多魔头层出不穷，但正因为如此，秉承莫名其妙大气数的英雄人物也横空出世，而且一个比一个强横。
甚至有一些绝世怪胎在酝酿，多元宇宙也越来越复杂，甚至有一些比当初那白衣少年更强横的存在已经出现了。
在当年，周钦等人每个人都是顶天立地的存在，他们绝对是宇宙的最巅峰，哪怕是任何奇才，天才，无上气数人物都不可超越，甚至是古新剑，冒牌的"古踏仙 "也无济于事，他们也都不能够超过周钦等人。
后来，周钦六人化为了白衣少年，那更是通天彻地，所向无敌。
可惜还是被古尘沙击败，力量散落四面八方，也不知道到了哪里，但可以肯定的说，有朝一日，肯定会被大奇遇者获得，那个大奇遇者，就会获得比白衣少年更强的力量。
Mysterious place.
Gu Chensha is still watching the changes in the multiverse.
The entire multiverse has entered a period of chaos, and many demons emerge one after another, but because of this, heroes who uphold inexplicable numbers have also emerged, and each one is stronger than the other.
There are even some peerless freaks brewing, and the multiverse is becoming more and more complicated, and even some existences more powerful than the boy in white have appeared.
Back then, Zhou Qin and others were indomitable existences. They were definitely the pinnacle of the universe. Even any wizards, geniuses, and figures with supreme spirits could not be surpassed, even Gu Xinjian, the fake "Gu Taxian" "It doesn't help, and none of them can surpass Zhou Qin and others.
Later, Zhou Qin and the six turned into white-clothed youths, who were even more powerful and invincible.
It's a pity that he was still defeated by Gu Chensha, and his power was scattered in all directions, and he didn't know where it went, but it can be said with certainty that one day, he will definitely be obtained by the great adventurer, and that great adventurer will obtain stronger power than the boy in white. Chapter 1150

Not sure if this could be evidence for the 1-A top 9th Deathless and the tier 1-A influence of the 10th Deathless.
Tldr: Almost Everyone in the verse (with profiles, expect Gu Taxian) become High-1B (or higher depend on true tier of inconceivableverse), Yang Qi (DT) will have three keys (First for 100 billions year lifespan aka At least 2-A possibly far Higher, Second for 900 billion aka High-1B (or Low-1A? higher?), Third for White Teen (infinite lifespan and transcendend the very concepts of size below Annulleverse)

 

[Rabbit2002]

Alright, SCP, as a high tier 0 verse, being mentioned made me think there could have been an argument.

Literally a member of the Revision Team as well as the original reason why Saikou turned it into the High Tier 0 verse

 

[Rabbit2002]

Also, do you have discord server for this verse? Sounds so damn interesting.

Yeah unfortunately it's for my country (literally a channel of a death battle discord server). Since it's just me and Muchacho carrying the entire verse so it doesn't matter much, we usually PM each other on here.
There is Discussion thread for it but It's dead lol

 

[Rabbit2002]

This is high 1-A, count me as agreements, I can see the arguments for boundless but a bit context is needed.

Bro Tier 0 is another day

 

[Delta333]

Yeah unfortunately it's for my country (literally a channel of a death battle discord server)

Sometimes it is not even Dreamwalkers channel since all about is Gu Chensa vs Anos

 

[wozirut]

Interesting
Can you give me scan?

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In the second scan, note that the Thread poster uses Gu Chensha and Ruphas Mafahl to do vs battle. Most of the people in the forum believes that Ruphas Mafahl's tier is top tier.
There are also super-top tier in this forum that is stronger than top-tier: Blue and white series, Possibility manipulation system(a chinese webnovel) and Seeker have this tier.
The second scan roughly means that Gu Chensha is far weaker than Ruphas Mafahl, so this scan means that Gu Chensha is not in the top tier.
I watched a video about 2 months ago. I vaguely remember that the video uses the same tiering system in the forum that I mentioned before, but don't list Gu Chensha as the top tier.

 

[PDB123456789]

Rank chinese <(“)
我修改了一下，可以取这个
论外天花板 _ 汪吧仙录 _ Max of Max _ 超性能娘 _ 神盒世界 _ 太初天道 _ 曙光明耀 _ YCH体系 _suggsverse - 终极次元旅行者 - 妄想序列 - ra自创 - 白光 - 102888 _ 逍遥洪荒 _ 无敌洪荒 _ 花园系列 _ AOS _ 74自创 _（F·I·N·A·L）从零到不可名状 “§”体系（待完善） _ _ _ _ _
超一线论外 ENDLESS 至无 _ 小球构造者&终焉之光_ _ _ _ _ _

一线论外 _ 自指引擎 _ 巅峰世界 _ BU _ 绯色战纪 _ 绘之翼 _ 走进修仙 _ 我求道九州_ 至道_ THE KING GOD VERSE 吾思皆无 _ 蜂娘 _ scp太赤 _ AD VD _ 1986自创 _ 无梦之主_ _ _ _ _
中等论外 _ scp _ 通天塔图书馆 _ 在完美中近乎无敌 _ VB克系 _ 尸骨毒蛇 _ _ _ _ _ _
论外守门员 _ 我太阳 _ 超常态 _ _ _ _ _ _
论外以下
超一线 _ 司掌天道 _ 概率操控系统 _ 蓝白社系列 _ 露法斯的无限变强之路 _ 万域传道者 _ 本为道 _ 我对洪荒使用强化石 _ 随心所欲的我 _ 大仙奥特 _ 遮天之天情天尊 _ 琦玉的世界旅行 _ 大方广大 _ 修炼就是为了无敌 _ scp克 _ _ _ _ _ _
一线天花板 _ 洪荒之混元古蛇 _ 太阳星 _ 枪魔 _ 邪项 _ 龙符 _ 诸界之深渊恶魔 _ 非凡洪荒 _ _ _ _ _ _
二线 _ 我，oaa加入聊天群 _ 圣道 _ 圣王 _ 安平大帝 _ 食物链三部曲 _ 洪荒玄冥录 _ _ _ _ _ _

Trans:
I modified it to take this
On the Outer Ceiling_ Wangba Xianlu_ Max of Max _ Super Performance Girl_ God Box World_ Taichu Tiandao_ Dawn Brilliance_ YCH System_suggsverse - Ultimate Dimensional Traveler - Delusional Sequence - Ra's own creation - White Light - 102888 _ Happy Primordial _ Invincible Prehistoric_ Garden Series _ AOS _ 74 Self-created _ (F·I·N·A·L) from zero to indescribable "§" system (to be perfected) _ _ _ _ _
Beyond One Line ENDLESS To Nothing _ Small Ball Constructor & Last Light_ _ _ _ _ _

A line of discussion_Self-referring engine_Peak World_BU_Crimson Wars_Painted Wings_Into Xiuxian_I seek the way of Kyushu_The Supreme Way_ THE KING GOD VERSE I have no thoughts Bee Mother_ scp Taichi_ AD_ VD _ Created in 1986_ Lord of No Dreams_ _ _ _ _
Medium _ scp _ Babel Library _ Nearly invincible in perfection _ VB restraint _ Bone Viper _ _ _ _ _ _
On the outside goalkeeper _ my sun _ super normal _ _ _ _ _ _
beyond thesis
Super First Line_ Mastering the Way of Heaven_ Probability Control System_ Lanbaishe Series_ Ruphas's Road to Infinite Strength_ Evangelist of the World_ This is the Tao_ I use the strengthening stone for the prehistoric_ I do whatever I want_ Daxian Ultra_ Overshadowing Heavenly Love Tianzun_ Saitama's World Travel_ Generosity and Vastness_ Practice is to be invincible_ scp grams_ _ _ _ _ _
A Line of Ceiling _ Primordial Hunyuan Ancient Snake _ Sun Star _ Spear Demon _ Evil Item _ Dragon Talisman _ Abyss Demon of All Worlds _ Extraordinary Primordial _ _ _ _ _ _
Second line _ I, oaa joined the chat group _ Holy Way _ Holy King _ Emperor Anping _ Food Chain Trilogy _ Hong Huang Xuan Ming Lu _ _ _ _ _ _

 

[wozirut]

Rank chinese <(“)
我修改了一下，可以取这个
论外天花板 _ 汪吧仙录 _ Max of Max _ 超性能娘 _ 神盒世界 _ 太初天道 _ 曙光明耀 _ YCH体系 _suggsverse - 终极次元旅行者 - 妄想序列 - ra自创 - 白光 - 102888 _ 逍遥洪荒 _ 无敌洪荒 _ 花园系列 _ AOS _ 74自创 _（F·I·N·A·L）从零到不可名状 “§”体系（待完善） _ _ _ _ _
超一线论外 ENDLESS 至无 _ 小球构造者&终焉之光_ _ _ _ _ _

一线论外 _ 自指引擎 _ 巅峰世界 _ BU _ 绯色战纪 _ 绘之翼 _ 走进修仙 _ 我求道九州_ 至道_ THE KING GOD VERSE 吾思皆无 _ 蜂娘 _ scp太赤 _ AD VD _ 1986自创 _ 无梦之主_ _ _ _ _
中等论外 _ scp _ 通天塔图书馆 _ 在完美中近乎无敌 _ VB克系 _ 尸骨毒蛇 _ _ _ _ _ _
论外守门员 _ 我太阳 _ 超常态 _ _ _ _ _ _
论外以下
超一线 _ 司掌天道 _ 概率操控系统 _ 蓝白社系列 _ 露法斯的无限变强之路 _ 万域传道者 _ 本为道 _ 我对洪荒使用强化石 _ 随心所欲的我 _ 大仙奥特 _ 遮天之天情天尊 _ 琦玉的世界旅行 _ 大方广大 _ 修炼就是为了无敌 _ scp克 _ _ _ _ _ _
一线天花板 _ 洪荒之混元古蛇 _ 太阳星 _ 枪魔 _ 邪项 _ 龙符 _ 诸界之深渊恶魔 _ 非凡洪荒 _ _ _ _ _ _
二线 _ 我，oaa加入聊天群 _ 圣道 _ 圣王 _ 安平大帝 _ 食物链三部曲 _ 洪荒玄冥录 _ _ _ _ _ _

This is from https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7936867306
However this ranking has some issue: SCP Chinese branch has the construct of ultimate-l( a verse which is called 洞虚 has it ), but it is weaker than 蜂娘(whichhas the construct of berkeley cardinal).
Also this ranking do not include some other verse such as demonbane, marvel comics, a wild last boss appeared that can enter 二线（second top tier） or 一线天花板（first top tier）.
The author of the thread said that Max of Max is from ddf forum, but it is proven that ddf forum don't exist.

【图片】对不起！对不起！（关于所谓的IWCSDDF论坛的真相！）【甘藏大神吧】_百度贴吧

对不起！对不起！（关..大家好，其实一直以来，大家所一直好奇的论坛（IWCSDDF）都只是我为了让自己显得高大上而编造胡扯出来的谎言罢了，我也无话可说了，万字的解释也始终也无法弥补我的过错，我始终只能说一句：对不起！神盒，我

tieba.baidu.com

 

[PDB123456789]

This is from https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7936867306
However this ranking has some issue: SCP Chinese branch has the construct of ultimate-l( a verse which is called 洞虚 has it ), but it is weaker than 蜂娘(whichhas the construct of berkeley cardinal).
Also this ranking do not include some other verse such as demonbane, marvel comics, a wild last boss appeared that can enter 二线（second top tier） or 一线天花板（first top tier）.
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dmb is weak, dmb<awlb

 

[Rabbit2002]

but it is weaker than 蜂娘(whichhas the construct of berkeley cardinal).

What the hell is "蜂娘" ?

 

[wozirut]

What the hell is "蜂娘" ?

A character in a japanese novel which has the construct of berkeley cardinal.

 

[Delta333]

A japanese character in a novel which has the construct of berkeley cardinal.

and the name of that novel is?

 

[Rabbit2002]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

@Ultima_Reality @DontTalkDT @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @KingPin0422 @Pain_to12 @Everything12 @Planck69 @Agnaa

Would any of you be willing to help evaluate this please?

And if you have already done so, can you summarise your conclusions please?

 

[Rabbit2002]

@Ultima_Reality @DontTalkDT @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @KingPin0422 @Pain_to12 @Everything12 @Planck69 @Agnaa

Would any of you be willing to help evaluate this please?

And if you have already done so, can you summarise your conclusions please?

The high end proposals, like High 1-B and 1-A, seems fine. Last time, I didn't see enough contexts on the cosmic ocean being High 1-B, but I can see it now with the evidence.
Transduality type 3 seems fine.
The speed looks to be infinite instead.

If being outside the framework of Tier 1-A hierarchy of High 1-A from Gu Chensa's point, what are your arguments for tier 0 because MC is beyond characters like Gu Chensa, and if so, can you elaborate?
I could see High 1-A being fine.

I would say these both required a similar amount of input. I would keep the other option available.
I think staff like @Planck69 and @Sir_Ovens can help with their input.


On the other things, I guess they are fine; though, large size type 10 might be type 11 if tier 1-A and/or up is agreed with.

Thanks!
Also for High-1B, looks like I messed up a few things.

Cosmic Ocean actually exists in an Infiniteverse/Hyper-Infiniteverse (无尽无边无际宇宙 which literally translate to super limitless endless boundless universe Lol)



In addition, the hierarchy of the universes before the Annuleverse appeared was still the Inconceivableverse being the largest and the highest. So I guess more people will become High-1B than I thought. In the beginning it was just Lou Baiyue at first since she possessed infinite control over infinite power of mind instead of being overloaded like 9th Deathless created the cosmic ocean







Since there is a size difference between Hyper-Infiniteverses like Old World even one hundred times larger in one thousand years it is still impossible to level up or the New World expanding in infinity, never ending without becoming an Inconceivableverse.









It would be safe to assume the normal Hyper-Infiniteverse would be "At least 2-A possibly far higher" as well as the characters that could be significant to it (tens of billions lifespans Null Immortality realm and above)

The Inconceivableverse would be High-1B since it is larger than any hyper-Infiniteverses including the universe containing the cosmic ocean, in fact it could be much higher since the reason for its name is because it is difficult to name or describe while even a universe containing a cosmic ocean could still be within the scope of the "Hyper-Infiniteverse"





900 billion lifespan Null Immortality can create an inconceivableverse. This means Yang Qi (DT) and Chen Qi will scale to it








As you can see, there is a hierarchy of powers and realms for nearly everyone under the Annulled Immortality regarding longevity. Blame MC because he's an asshole who made everyone lose their immortality so the longer you can live, the stronger you become and the bigger the universes, the more universes you can create

And we have White Teen (a fusion of Yang Qi and the remaining 5 MCs, which will basically be his third key) that has achieved infinite lifespan. Then even powering up himself by absorbing the essence of Zhou Qin, all the power and will of every being in the multiverse to fight the MCs, it also noted that he had achieved to a state where the concept of size has no meaning, but he's bigger than MC by countless times. Since both him and MC (actually suppressing his own power) reached that state and White Teen is "bigger/stronger" than him countless times.





His attack covers everywhere the MC can hide and avoid. MC when he was much weaker (not even reaching Null Immortality lol) easily moved to an infinite Abyss that transcends all concepts of "size", "space" and "time" since these concepts do not exist and cannot describe its infinity and it's the source of everything





Despite being strong, White Teen is really not the top of the 9th Deathless, later there are countless heroes and demons born from the mind, each one stronger than the previous one and so we have some existences stronger than White Teen and there are hierarchy for this



Not sure if this could be evidence for the 1-A top 9th Deathless and the tier 1-A influence of the 10th Deathless.
Tldr: Almost Everyone in the verse (with profiles, expect Gu Taxian) become High-1B (or higher depend on true tier of inconceivableverse), Yang Qi (DT) will have three keys (First for 100 billions year lifespan aka At least 2-A possibly far Higher, Second for 900 billion aka High-1B (or Low-1A? higher?), Third for White Teen (infinite lifespan and transcendend the very concepts of size below Annulleverse)

Before going to the main content, I suggest everyone to take a look at these to understand the hierarchy of universes in the multiverse and what is accepted.
I will quote them again here to avoid confusion. There are ten levels of the universe, determined by the size and number of Empyrean Dao cultivators can be born in these universes, remember Nanoverse is always the lowest rank. And so every time the word "universe" is mentioned (from chapter 1068 and so on), consider it's much larger than 2-A multiverse (Mortal realm or Primal chaos)











For the size of Mortal Realm


We don't know what size differences were between the universes before the Super-Terraverse.
But the Super-Terraverse (which is the beginning of what's called the Super-Universe) basically so massive that it can't be measured in data units while smaller universes like microverses can still be measured even though its size far exceeds the infinite multiverse (in the same way that any starfield in any universe is measured in light-years unit, just for universes data unit is much larger than "light year"). I initially suggested it as Low-1C or at least 2-A possibly Low-1C but Ultima said it should be "At least 2-A" so I'm fine with his suggestion


Then we have the Super-Giga-Terraverse which is implied to be larger than the Super-Terraverse by infinitely many times.





Then we have the Hyper-Infiniteverse. With the Old World described as being not just eight times larger but dozens or even four hundred times the Super-Giga-Terraverse (the four realms here are Arcane Universe, Taiwu Universe, Brood Universe, and Hunyuan Universe)


The weakest 9th Deathless like Zhao Jiangshan considers this multiverse to be small despite the existence of more than four Super-Giga-Terraverses, One (or two) Hyper-infiniteverses, the New World and the Old World as well as the four Super-Giga-Terraverses and countless smaller universes are spawned by the New World in every moment





Then we have a timeskip of 100k years since the MC gave lifespan to every entity in the verse except him lol. The Multiverse has grown to such an extent that even if any Empyrean Daomasters spend their entire lifespan (hundred million years) they cannot discover even one ten-thousandth, not even 9th Deathless can explore entire multiverse
But Zhou Qin and the other five Protagonists (Like Yang Qi (DT) are so powerful, that their thoughts permeate every corner of the multiverse, they can destroy it even with a punch.


甚至到达了天道境界，也就是亿年寿命而已。

However, there is still a final transformation. Chapter 1113





Then we have The Mind/The Heart, every living thing has it. It has an infinite source of power that the 9th Deathless or the likes of Zhou Qin, Yang Qi are only finite compared to it.



After White Teen (a merger between Yang Qi and 5 other MCs like Zhou Qin, Jiang Li, Fang Hang,..) and Gu Chensa removed their lifespan restriction table, a 9th Deathless with an initial lifespan of one trillion (Zhou Qin and Yang Qi are one hundred billion to nine hundred billion) have harnessed the full limitless power of Mind and created the cosmic ocean. Each drop of water is a universe, in the universe there is a universe, and so on to infinity.
There are two paths here: one is 2-A as suggested by Eliza in the previous thread and PainTo12, the other is according to Ultima (partly) and @deonment , it would be High 1B because the lowest universes in the infinite series is baseline universe (yeah, since the nanoverse is much larger than baseline 2-A although it's the bottom of the hierarchy of universes in the multiverse since chapter 1068)

Tldr

Primal Chaos: 2-A (Truly infinite to 2-B Empyrean World)
Mortal Realm: 2-A (Quintillion times Primal Chaos)
Nanoverse: 2-A (much larger than Mortalverse)
Microverse/Mesoverse/ Megaverse/Gigaverse: 2-A (each larger than the last)
Super-Terraverse: At Least 2-A
Super-Giga-Terraverse: infinitely times Super-Terraverse
Hyper-Infiniteverse: At least Eight to Eighth Hundreds time Super-Giga-Terraverse
Multiverse/Yang Qi (DT) (after Hundred Thousand year timeskip): Countless times Hyper-Infiniteverses
Cosmic Ocean/Infinite power of mind : 2-A (Infinitely times Multiverse) or High-1B
A random 9th Deathless who created cosmic ocean: countless x Infinite x infinite times Cosmic Ocean since their power is infinities upon infinities (each living being in Cosmic ocean has infinite power of the mind. There are countless drop of water in ocean, infinite universes in each drop since it's a loop, each universe much larger than 2-A so infinite beings)
Annulleverse/Annulled Immortality/10th Deathless: 2-A or High-1B? Low-1A? 1-A? (since they're apophatic to everything below)
MC: scale above infinite hierarchy of Deathless realms

Anyway What do you think about the rest of the thread?

Also there's something pretty obvious that I forgot to add. It's Large size type 10, Empyrean Dao Physiology , Abstract Existence type 1 for both Yang Qi (Sage Monarch) (second key?) and Proud Heaven (first key)

Since they are comparable to Greensura who is larger than God realm (and also the essence of the whole God realm, similar to Yang Qi but his God realm aka Sage Monarch Empire, Proud Heaven is Great Necropolis and essence of God realm), and Proud Heaven he will have Abstract existence type 1 because the essence of God realm is infinite order, infinite fate, The very concept of "everything", Three Realms (Truth/Reality, Illusion/Imagination,Nevasaññānāsaññāyatana) and his body aka Great Necropolis is made from quinessence of Burying. Yang Qi (first key) should have Higher-Dimensional existence since his body contain countless multiverses (quote in 2-A Godmyth part) and this can scale to Leef-Dao and Proud Heaven (who stronger than him at that time)

For Empyrean Dao physiology, Proud Heaven swallowed them to increase his own power

Spoiler

Since many people have asked about NEP layers of Nevasaññānāsaññāyatana in particular and Sage Monarch in general, I will explain it as well as Upgrade TD3 for Nevasaññānāsaññāyatana. Of course this is not strange because verse had tons of concepts about NEP before these even existed lol
The former thread of Nevasanna..

https://vsbattles.com/threads/sage-monarch-half-annulled-nep-transduality.133271/

I think you are confused. The God Realm and its inhabitants were accepted as 5-D/Low-1C by R-F (it lost possibly 9-D because DT)
Space-time continuum is nothing more than adding a temporal dimension to make it 6-D like exactly what I suggested in the thread

 

[Rabbit2002]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I cannot force others to be interested in evaluating this thread, so I am afraid that we will have to wait.

 

[Elizhaa]

Not sure if this could be evidence for the 1-A top 9th Deathless and the tier 1-A influence of the 10th Deathless.

I guess it is fine.

It would be safe to assume the normal Hyper-Infiniteverse would be "At least 2-A possibly far higher" as well as the characters that could be significant to it (tens of billions lifespans Null Immortality realm and above)

The Inconceivableverse would be High-1B since it is larger than any hyper-Infiniteverses including the universe containing the cosmic ocean, in fact it could be much higher since the reason for its name is because it is difficult to name or describe while even a universe containing a cosmic ocean could still be within the scope of the "Hyper-Infiniteverse"

Tldr: Almost Everyone in the verse (with profiles, expect Gu Taxian) become High-1B (or higher depend on true tier of inconceivableverse), Yang Qi (DT) will have three keys (First for 100 billions year lifespan aka At least 2-A possibly far Higher, Second for 900 billion aka High-1B (or Low-1A? higher?), Third for White Teen (infinite lifespan and transcendend the very concepts of size below Annulleverse)

I mean the other point seems to the point that the cosmic ocean is High 1-B, so why not the Hyper-infiniteverse. I am fine with Hyper-infiniteverse being High 1-B unless there are counterarguments or issues; the description of the cosmic ocean seems to be in the same chapter 1147, so it seems less likely there are not related.

Inconceivableverse could be Low 1-A; it's so large that it seems like there is no description for it and "completely surpassed the infinite and boundless universe" which would include those in the cosmic ocean.

三大世界猛烈的颤抖，彻底融合在一起，组成了一个不知名的宇宙，这个宇宙已经完全超过了无限无尽无边无际宇宙。
这种宇宙，已经不知道用什么来称呼。
这种宇宙彻底晋升的刹那，所有的人都得到了洗礼，实力大进。Chapter 1133
The three worlds trembled violently and completely merged together to form an unknown universe. This universe has completely surpassed the infinite and boundless universe.
I no longer know what to call this kind of universe.
At the moment when this kind of universe is completely promoted, everyone has been baptized and their strength has greatly improved. Chapter 1133

White Teen seems to transcend the concept of size and also space-time with the context of the spaceless and timeless abyss, in this post; I guess it reaches 1-A.

I think the early 10-deathless realm and up got 1-A due to being apophatic the lower realm of High 1-B/Low 1-A; but with the context of 1-A, being apophatic to tier 1-A, would its High 1-A
Gen and similar could have gotten High 1-A due to being outside the framework of (deathless) realms, but now, being outside the framework of High 1-A would be tier 0.
From early reply:

• No, The High-1A I'm talking about is about DT, MC (Gu Chensa) somehow supersedes the whole framework of the concept of "realm" including infinite Deathless levels, it's basically like what Muchacho suggested earlier except Nullverse/Baseline 10th Deathless as 1-A and everything below as 2-A

 

[Rabbit2002]

I guess it is fine.


I mean the other point seems to the point that the cosmic ocean are High 1-B, so why not the Hyper-infiniteverse. I am fine with it High 1-B unless there are counterarguments or issues; the description of the cosmic ocean seems to be in the same chapter 1147, so it seems less likely there are not related.

Inconceivableverse could be Low 1-A; it so large that it seems like there is no description for it and surpassed infinite completely surpassed the infinite and boundless universe which would included those in the cosmic ocean.


White Teen seems to transcend the concept of size and also space-time with the context of the infinite abyss, in this post; I guess it reaches 1-A.

I think the early 10-deathless realm and up got 1-A due to being apophatic the lower realm of High 1-B/Low 1-A; but with the context of 1-A, being apophatic to tier 1-A, would its High 1-A
Gen and similar could have gotten High 1-A due to being outside the framework of (deathless) realms, but now, being outside the framework of High 1-A would be tier 0.
From early reply:

• No, The High-1A I'm talking about is about DT, MC (Gu Chensa) somehow supersedes the whole framework of the concept of "realm" including infinite Deathless levels, it's basically like what Muchacho suggested earlier except Nullverse/Baseline 10th Deathless as 1-A and everything below as 2-A

So MC will become tier 0? Lol!

 

[Elizhaa]

So MC will become tier 0? Lol!

It could be.
If white teen is 1-A, 10-deathless realm and up characters are High 1-A from being apophatic to tier 1-A. Gen and like such MC would be Tier 0 from being outside the framework of the (deathless) realms.

 

[Rabbit2002]

It could be.
If white teen is 1-A, 10-deathless realm and up characters are High 1-A from being apophatic to tier 1-A. Gen and like such MC would be Tier 0 from being outside the framework of the (deathless) realms.

Thank you. Also since High-1A and 0 need more time to be fully accepted and applied, what about the rest (2-C to 2-A, 5-D to 6-D, Empyrean Dao physiology for God Tiers (SM), Transduality type 3 for SM and 9th Deathless of DT, AE1 and Large size type 10,Immeasurable speed... )?

 

[Elizhaa]

Thank you. Also since High-1A and 0 need more time to be fully accepted and applied, what about the rest (2-C to 2-A, 5-D to 6-D, Empyrean Dao physiology for God Tiers (SM), Transduality type 3 for SM and 9th Deathless of DT, AE1 and Large size type 10,Immeasurable speed... )?

2-C to 2-A seems fine, assuming it is not High 1-B. 5-D to 6-D seems unneeded since the key point seems to be High 1-B by most here.
I am finer with the high end tier than the low-end tier that caps at 6-D, to reiterate.
I think the others are fine like I said before. Also, Large Size type 10 would be type 11 for Tier 1-A and up.

 

[Rabbit2002]

2-C to 2-A seems fine, assuming it is not High 1-B. 5-D to 6-D seems unneeded since the key point seems to be High 1-B by most here.
I am finer with the high end tier than the low-end tier that caps at 6-D, to reiterate.
I think the others are fine like I said before. Also, Large Size type 10 would be type 11 for Tier 1-A and up.

wait why is it High-1B? As for 2-A, it could be High-1B but I think we need more staffs on this, if it's fine then I will rearrange cosmology and tier
For others if they are fine can i apply now or should i wait like tier stuff ?

 

[Elizhaa]

I just reviewed more; the flowers hierarchy was included in the High 1-B point, not just the cosmic ocean so it's possible that High 1-B start way earlier than the cosmic ocean verse on this 5th realm level.

 

[Elizhaa]

One staff agreement is largely not enough for tier 1 or higher revision to apply; it seems to be at least two.