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Yeah, his charisma gets nulled too. There is absolutely no way charisma isn't logic based. It clearly follows it.Multipize said:Using his third eye Joker finds out Discord's not a shadow so he takes aim Discord notices him. Ren starts to shoot and gets his gun removed from existance Joker gets power nulled and charismas discord into giving him his powers back then he tries different elemental spells (or makes another gun) depending on which one he's weak to and then eventually death haxs himMrKerf said:So, bloodlusted Discord is stomp.
Not bloodlusted Discord is still starting with Powernull tho.
What is Ren starting with again? And can he one-shot Discord?
The battle is over, and Joker moves o
any questions?
Yep. Apparently Logic Manip = Mind/Speech(?) Manip too. Oh well. I find it a little silly, but I'm nowhere even close to being a knowledgeable of this verse, so I don't really have the right question things much.YungManzi said:What's this about logic? Is that Discord's power null?
Excuse me what? Since when?Smashkabab said:Yep. Apparently Logic Manip = Mind/Speech(?) Manip too. Oh well. I find it a little silly, but I'm nowhere even close to being a knowledgeable of this verse, so I don't really have the right question things much.YungManzi said:What's this about logic? Is that Discord's power null?
Uh, seriously, can Discord not affect type 1 abstracts?Smashkabab said:Assuming Joker keeps charisma, voting Joker. Otherwise, Discord still thinks him to death, just slower than before.
What makes charisma logic basedLightbuster30 said:Yeah, his charisma gets nulled too. There is absolutely no way charisma isn't logic based. It clearly follows it.Multipize said:Using his third eye Joker finds out Discord's not a shadow so he takes aim Discord notices him. Ren starts to shoot and gets his gun removed from existance Joker gets power nulled and charismas discord into giving him his powers back then he tries different elemental spells (or makes another gun) depending on which one he's weak to and then eventually death haxs himMrKerf said:So, bloodlusted Discord is stomp.
Not bloodlusted Discord is still starting with Powernull tho.
What is Ren starting with again? And can he one-shot Discord?
The battle is over, and Joker moves o
any questions?
Trust me when I say a lot of people know this fight was a mistakeLightbuster30 said:So, remind me again why it was a good idea to pit a type 1 abstract against a guy who can't interact with them?
This was addressed a while ago scroll up a bitThisMrKerf said:Hold on a sec. Can't Discord just Powernull Joker (who is not a type 1 Abstract) so that he woldn't be able to use personas?
He shouldn't power null to in theory just kill Ren lol He has other options he just doesn't kill people immediatly as long as he knows they can't hurt him. it's in his character which not a lot of ren's spells can do.MrKerf said:My bad than, I'm a bit sleepy.
So, Discord can't powernull - because Abstract Type 1, can't Transmutate - because Resistance. In my book it is a stomp.
First of all, can I see this resistance? We've already established that some Ren's resistances are a bit iffy.
Second of all, how does Ren's death hax works?
As far as transmutation, I don't know. But the way Ren's death hax works is that if an enemy doesn't have death manip resistance, they will get hit by the move, since it spawns at the target's location and activates instantaneously. And if you get hit, that's game over unless you have resurrection. The only reason anyone survives death hax in Persona is because pretty much all characters in the verse have some level of resistance. The same applies to status ailments too, but that's irrelevant at the moment.MrKerf said:My bad than, I'm a bit sleepy.
So, Discord can't powernull - because Abstract Type 1, can't Transmutate - because Resistance. In my book it is a stomp.
First of all, can I see this resistance? We've already established that some Ren's resistances are a bit iffy.
Second of all, how does Ren's death hax works?
That would work, but I don't know if Die for Me has AoE. Mamudo/Mamudoon do.MrKerf said:Powernull and Transmutation is his first moves. If they're failed, then Ren'll oneshot him with his haxes.
What skill is it exactly? Die for Me of Alice?
When did Ren have a transmuation resistanceYungManzi said:Well there is a skill which can turn people into rats and make them have the intelligence of a rat and unable to use persona iirc.
I don't know if Ren can resist that at any point though.