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Anyway, I agree that Bill's Powers and Abilities section needs a revision, I'm not opposed to this being closed and redone when Bill's profile is complete with the new CRT they apparently will do later.
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Comes to the town, instantly turns Prestons face into a horrifying messBill has never started a fight with his transmutation/petrification, the only real fight he had he started with punches, and even when he saw that these were of no use, he had the bright idea that continuing to punch would help.
Most of those things weren't during a fighting situation, like the times he does it for fun, or petrifies people before they escape in order to create his throne, the waves apparently don't even work on everything they touch, and the creatures that petrify people to Bill are outside help and shouldn't be allowed. The only time he really fought someone (well, something) it took him a while to use his powers correctly, since he started with punches (even when he didn't know that the Shacktron had a force field, and even when he realized it, he kept hitting it) and as a result suffered a counterattack that left him vulnerable for a considerable time. The likelihood that Bill, wanting to fight, sees Discord and decides to petrify him instead of going to punch him is pretty low considering what we see in the show.Comes to the town, instantly turns Prestons face into a horrifying mess
Instantly starts petrifying random people after doing it
Created weirdness waves instantly when he came to the town, which transmutate things
Did it to Ford after making fun of him
Does it to random stuff he sees just for the fun of it
Literally got eye creatures that petrify things for Bill
It is revealed he petrified EVERYONE in the town.
Did it to Ford instantly when he stopped needing him
Instantly transmutated 6 of the rituals members instantly after he found them
Because Bill has never had to fight anyone in the verse. The only character that "fought" with Bill was literally immune to all of his hax.Most of those things weren't during a fighting situation
They have no where to escape. Bill just likes spamming itlike the times he does it for fun, or petrifies people before they escape in order to create his throne
Yep. Its kind of random, still shows how much Bill uses itthe waves apparently don't even work on everything they touch
Its his minions and can technically be considered his summons since unlike Henchmaniacs they dont have personalities.and the creatures that petrify people to Bill are outside help and shouldn't be allowed.
I think we are ignoring that Shacktron can likely not be transmutated or haxed to death. It has the shield for weirdness as its stated and showed several times. I also want to say the reason he kep hitting was because his ego was hurt and he couldnt think straightThe only time he really fought someone (well, something) it took him a while to use his powers correctly, since he started with punches (even when he didn't know that the Shacktron had a force field, and even when he realized it, he kept hitting it) and as a result suffered a counterattack that left him vulnerable for a considerable time.
Why did you ignore him doing it to 6 people right after he sees them and him doing it to Ford right after he doesnt need to talk to him anymore? Bill simply loves Petrification a lot.The likelihood that Bill, wanting to fight, sees Discord and decides to petrify him instead of going to punch him is pretty low considering what we see in the show.
Bills transmutation makes it so they dont have a conscious iirc(including transmutation
and mind manipulation).
Reading is one thing, remembering everything by heart is another (especially a minor detail). Anyway, Shion is making a good argument, Bill just went crazy and attacked the Shacktron like that because his ego is easy to hurt. Plus Bill doesn't need to be a genius to know that he won't be able to petrify a shack with legs, so it's a pretty understandable reason why he didn't start with that on that occasion.Read the profile damn lmao.
Would that be incon or just a removed voteReading is one thing, remembering everything by heart is another (especially a minor detail). Anyway, Shion is making a good argument, Bill just went crazy and attacked the Shacktron like that because his ego is easy to hurt. Plus Bill doesn't need to be a genius to know that he won't be able to petrify a shack with legs, so it's a pretty understandable reason why he didn't start with that on that occasion.
The question is, which happens first, Bill petrifies Discord/manipulates Discord's mind or Discord erases him from existence/puts him to sleep/petrifies him/seals him/nullifies his powers?
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I change my vote to neutral, but depending on the upcoming arguments I may vote for Bill later.
Can Low-Godly save Bill for that?Discord erases him from existence
I think Discord needs feats of him being capable of putting things with Self Sustenance 3 into sleep./puts him to sleep/
Bill is getting resistance to thispetrifies him
How does Discords sealing work?seals him
Bill is also likely getting a resistance to thisnullifies his powers?
For the moment remove my vote.Would that be incon or just a removed vote
In fact, yeah, how did I forget Bill has that? It's literally the first thing he uses in Weirdmageddon lol.Can Low-Godly save Bill for that?
Bill is getting resistance to this
However, he doesn't have them yet.Bill is also likely getting a resistance to this
I didn't read the comics, but apparently he sealed Cosmos in an object or something.How does Discords sealing work?
Obviously lol.However, he doesn't have them yet.
So he only used it once? With a optional equipment?I didn't read the comics, but apparently he sealed Cosmos in an object or something.
So he only used it once? With a optional equipment?
All the information I have on that ability is this:I didn't read the comics
So I have no idea if Discord needs that item or can use that ability with whatever he wants.
But wouldn't Discord need his conscious to turn himself back?I'll just say petrifaction/transmutation isn't working on Discord regardless. Petrifaction is just transmutation for one thing, and Discord can petrify himself just fine and undo it. We know he's immune because if you petrify yourself with your own magic, you're trapped as a statue until freed, meaning Discord would need resistance to said power to use it on himself with no issues. The one time it worked was when he was up against his own kryptonite.
Stone sleep specifically forces the mind into unconsciousness and Discord was completely immune to the sleep part of the spell. The one time it worked on him was when Luna did it, and he had his defences lowered so she could help him with his nightmares.But wouldn't Discord need his conscious to turn himself back?
Our profile pics make it seem like Bill and Discord are breaking the fourth wall and arguing on the forums lmaooo
What I mean is when Bill uses Petrification it seemingly leaves his victims with no consciousness, If discord has to turn himself back from stone using his powers wouldnt he need to think which he cannot?Stone sleep specifically forces the mind into unconsciousness and Discord was completely immune to the sleep part of the spell.
AP has nothing to do with hax, Bill doesnt have HDE. If Discords null is 4D then I guess it does work.Also, pretty certain Discord's powernull just bypasses. For one it worked on a totem. Bill 2-A and uncountably infinitely more powerful than an animated piece of wood. He can resist 3D powernull at best. Discord's powernull operates at a 4D scale, nullifying 4D levels of magic. He can even nullify substances that specifically nullify magic.
You can't think when you're brain is a rock. That's transmutation101.What I mean is when Bill uses Petrification it seemingly leaves his victims with no consciousness, If discord has to turn himself back from stone using his powers wouldnt he need to think which he cannot?
Discord being able to resist Sleep Manipulation doesnt mean "He can never lose his consciousness"
Not even a threat. Rather Bill just hated Time Baby and wanted to kill him as soon as possible. Dude insults and trash talks Time Baby any chance he gets.The best example of his real starting move is Time Baby. Someone he actually thought was a threat. He immediately went with energy blast.
Pretty sure only Mindscape Bill has the NEPAlso, type 3 does not make Bill untouchable, unless you are going to argue that Mabel's pepper spray can interact with nonexistence.
He simply is in a state of being and not being at once. Not some weird "I'm nonexistent when attacked" shit. Cause that clearly isn't the case in the show, EVER.
The problem is even in the mindscape he has contrary showings.Pretty sure only Mindscape Bill has the NEP
Depends on the verse and context. For example in Scribblenauts petrified people still can think. Its actually a very popular thing in fiction since it is kinda scary "I can see and feel everything but cannot move" type of dealYou can't think when you're brain is a rock.
Because Shacktron is you know...kinda immune to Weirdness (Even if the laser worked for some reason)? I also explained why he went with punches above (Ego!!)Against Shacktron, he went with punches and strikes.
Discord does not have AE 1. He is not "an abstract being that cannot be touched" he has AE 2 which is basically "He cannot die as long as this concept exist"Discord can remain conscious when turned into random shit and just change himself back. Consider Discord is an abstract being, he doesn't really have a true form anyway. He's a Spirit of Chaos first and foremost. So unless Bill is affecting that abstract form, I doubt it'll do anything to his consciousness.
No, I said he puffed out 4D magic like a candle. In reference to him blowing away Starlight's magic when she tried restraining him.
Lad has a soul, his NEP just extends to his Body and EnergyThe problem is even in the mindscape he has contrary showings.
Ok 1: That's not a soul, that's a consciousness. 2: Is he no different in someones mind than he is outside? He's still in his mindscape form, just not directly in someone's mind.Lad has a soul, his NEP just extends to his Body and Energy
Where? I might be blind but I cannot see her trying to use TKNo, I said he puffed out 4D magic like a candle. In reference to him blowing away Starlight's magic when she tried restraining him.
He removes Dippers spirit and takes his body. Mindscape contains Souls + MindOk 1: That's not a soul, that's a consciousness.
Discord doesn't even have a type on his profile. Lol. Old page.Depends on the verse and context. For example in Scribblenauts petrified people still can think. Its actually a very popular thing in fiction since it is kinda scary "I can see and feel everything but cannot move" type of deal
I also want to ask some stuff
"Removed Twilight and Rarity's horns, negating their use of magic"
Isnt this more of a weakness on their parts? Discord didnt nullify their magic, he simply destroyed their horns which lets them use magic?
Because Shacktron is you know...kinda immune to Weirdness (Even if the laser worked for some reason)? I also explained why he went with punches above (Ego!!)
Discord does not have AE 1. He is not "an abstract being that cannot be touched" he has AE 2 which is basically "He cannot die as long as this concept exist"
Even if we take Discord as an abstract being or a concept, Bill can literally affect concepts so it doesnt even matter.
She has his hand wrapped in her magic aura, which is typically hot TK is portrayed in MLP.Where? I might be blind but I cannot see her trying to use TK
He removes Dippers spirit and takes his body. Mindscape contains Souls + Mind
Discord doesn't even have a type on his profile. Lol. Old page.
Discord's abstraction type is type 2. It is said to be the same as Cosmos, which is type 2 in its profile, not type 1.And Discord specifically is also an abstract being.
Ooh fair.She has his hand wrapped in her magic aura, which is typically hot TK is portrayed in MLP.
Souls exist in Gravity Falls Dipper would not have lost his body if he still had his soul insideYeah, that's what I'm saying is the consciousness. Never really thought that was a soul. Just his disembodied mind.
Weak Profile.Discord doesn't even have a type on his profile. Lol. Old page.
Scans for that? I only see Discord talk about how he can hear while he is a stone. This is a weakness of the Petrification rather than a ability for DiscordAnyway, it's not a weakness of Discord's magic, it's just that the mind/soul in my little pony are deeper than a physical brain, which is what would be transmuted.
Bro did NOT read the titleI vote Discord
I'm just saying my opinion in advance.Bro did NOT read the title