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This is correct! However, most of the reasoning wasn't completely correct (Someone argued KC could attack in Time Erase) and nobody even tried to argue for DIO.JooCipher said:correct if I'm wrong, but doesn't Diavolo have a W against DIO?
Due to Diavolo being able to see himself getting donutted by DIO and being able to tell that something was about to happen, so he would time skip and hit DIO until he dies?
i belive there was another reason for Diavolo winning, something along the lines of "Dio's time stop lasts 9 seconds within 0 time" and "Diavolo actually erases 10 seconds"
The World is arguably very close in AP to King Crimson, and is very clearly faster. Gold Experience and Sticky Fingers don't really compare to The World and Star Platinum in raw strength, so King Crimson's scaling isn't as good.JooCipher said:can't KC just destroy The World like Star Platinum did?
and another argument for Diavolo winning is that Dio never starts with time stop the moment the fight begins, while Epitaph is Diavolo's opening move
Pretty similar to The World, then. Mostly negligible cooldown, as shown by him screwing with Polnareff on the stairs.TriforcePower1 said:King Crimson doesn't have cooldown, or if he has, it's negligible.
To be fair, they both spam it. However, that still favors DIO, since he'll be consuming whatever short cooldown The World has during Time Erasure, while even a .0001 second cooldown for King Crimson means DIO uses Time Stop after Time Erase and wins.TheArsenal1212 said:He still hasn't shown to spam it over and over like DIO has
And I argue that if Diavolo doesn't basically perma-erase the entire battle, DIO will simply Time Stop after every single Erase, and even one going through means victory. If it so much "negligible" to even take 0.0001 seconds to get off cooldown and be used again, DIO takes this via time stop. And even if Diavolo erases it, he's still going through absolute hell, erasing basically every event and being hard-pressed to contest DIO in hand-to-hand combat.TriforcePower1 said:Oh, no, if Dio manages to timestop even once he has won, that's not even debatable. The problem is timestopping outside of time erasure when Diavolo just GGs everything thanks to Epitaph
man that was so sadJohnConquest1 said:Don't forget about the senator either
That is true, but he does have regen and has several feats of surviving blows- such as when Star Platinum donut'd him (SP has near the same AP, if not higher.)JooCipher said:wouldn't Dio need to Regen after being donuted by King Crimson?
and considering that his regen isn't insatanious, Diavolo's theorical cooldown time would end and he would just erase time again
I didn't, I'm literally said "voters who outright demonstrate don't have any idea of what's going on", which doesn't at all aim at 18 users here, even if it were (which it isn't), it wouldn't be "because they disagree with me". What a sh*tty attempt to make me look bad.ThePixelKirby said:The voters FRA'd for very valid reasons. You are free to continue debating, but please do not insult 18 people simply because they disagree with you.
TriforcePower1 said:And he checks Epitaph before he ends a time erasure, so if he sees Dio time stopping he'd try to erase that portion as well.
Diavolo can blind Dio during time erasures. And he checks Epitaph before he ends a time erasure, so if he sees Dio time stopping he'd try to erase that portion as well.TriforcePower1 said:
This is such a bad argument, DIO was screaming at him and attacking from where he was, in front of him, Diavolo does a surprise attack from behind. "Characters like Jotaro and Dio just lolnope being blinded" is not a thing in JoJo. Also you miss the most important point in what you quoted.Sixo Bullets said:Characters like Jotaro and Dio just lolnope being blinded. Hell, Jotaro was even blinded by blood the same way Giorno was.
Bad argument part isn't necessary.Eficiente said:This is such a bad argument, DIO was screaming at him and attacking from where he was, in front of him, Diavolo does a surprise attack from behind. "Characters like Jotaro and Dio just lolnope being blinded" is not a thing in JoJo. Also you miss the most important point in what you quoted.Sixo Bullets said:Characters like Jotaro and Dio just lolnope being blinded. Hell, Jotaro was even blinded by blood the same way Giorno was.
Which is also wrong, he was screaming within erased time and causality, he never does so when surprise attacking someone. If anything others being unaware is representative of him.Sixo Bullets said:And uh, Diavolo isn't exactly a quiet person when he blinds people either. You see him screaming at Giorno during this and even after this. We only see him use this when something is a huge threat to him (Dio would be due to precog) and he is also loud as hell against extremely powerful people who can outright counter his ability directly.