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This. Not to mention how every Diavolo voter ignored how The World's cooldown would be done when Diavolo's cooldown would of just started.Paul Frank said:Dio fra
Also why does everyone assume that epitaph would allow diavolo to see the time stop
At best it would either show him the outcome only and he would think it's similar to his ability or it would show him some incomprehensible mess of everything that occurs during the time stop all playing in his mind within a nanosecond and he would understand none of it
1. This doesn't explain that Diavolo not understanding DIO's time stop is actually really, really bad for Diavolo.Iapitus The Impaler said:Alright, let's clear some things up.
Diavolo not being able to tell what happens during stop time doesn't matter. His trade mark mindset makes that pointless. He sees what happens after that time stop and that is all that will matter to him. King Crimson has no notable cool down, and he can see 10 seconds into the future, so Epitaph will always counter the world unless he chooses to needlessly exhaust his entire 10 seconds. Diavolo is prideful but he isn't a moron, so the second he sees his target attacks (as he sees it) either instantly or incredibly fast, he will always time skip the minimum amount of time he can, which is .5 seconds.
Now, he "teleports" behind DIO and donuts him, but when he sees him regenerating, he goes for something more fatal. Against Bruno, he knew just went for more strong blows of the same type because he knew they were effecting. If DIO starts regenerating, and he sees his attack wasn't working, he goes for the head and wins, and if that doesn't work and DIO keeps regenerating, then he goes for the limbs. Also, let me remind you that DIO cannot as easily regenerate from his stand being broken, such as when Jotaro broke The World and DIO couldn't properly regenerate, at least not fast enough to heal before sun rise. Now, Diavolo may need to play this perfectly to win, but that is exactly what Epitaph is for. He can see what will happen, but if anything is too big for him not to handle, then he just erases time as always. Diavolo also would not simply de-summon King Crimson against a foe who he can see has healing. Again, Diavolo is prideful but he isn't a moron.
Thus, I vote Diavolo. DIO's regen doesn't help much when The World is shattered.
1. Because Diavolo won't know if or how to play around it besides skipping it. If he used precog on other attacks, he'd know how to dodge or counter them, even without time erasure. With Time Stop, he'll have no clue how to respond besides skipping over it.Iapitus The Impaler said:1. Not really? Why is it an issue. He can see the results, and unless he is a dumbass and jumps more than he needs to he is fine
2. I said he would do it against DIO. When he knows his enemy can do an untold amount of actions in, what is to his perspective, an insanely small time frame, he isn't gonna do his insanely long time skips. He was doing his incredibly long time skips because he was trying to **** with Bruno, but against someone like DIO, he can see that it is advantageous to go for shorter time frames
3. No, he can't. If he tries, he just erases time again. I didn't mention anything about pain
That would be a really great strategy, except that Diavolo doesn't have a cool down, and unless he exhausts his entire 10 seconds he would be able to tell that DIO was going to stop time again there and either extend his erased time slightly further to compensate or just end it slightly shorter so he could erase time on both attempts.
Being faster doesn't matter since Diavolo always has time to react due to Epitaph. Diavolo won't use that attack pattern because he can see it won't work. All of this assumes Diavolo won't know what DIO is going to do next, which he can. Time Erasure is instant, and has no notable cool down. Anything DIO tries, he sees and either erases time longer or shorter to compensate.
Interesting idea but Diavolo has no notable cool down. If he sees Diavolo is going to do that, then he just erases time either longer to account for that attack, or erases time shorter so he can erase time twice to account for both attacks. You also act like DIO will know when Diavolo is erasing time, which he won't.
Put it like this, If DIO was going to erase time right after, he would need to know that Diavolo had just erased time, which he won't know, and even if he could, then Diavolo erases time to be longer by that instant, or he makes it shorter so he can erase time twice. Nice try, but no dice
Dio has shown he responds to surprises and confusion with Time Stop, though? When Jotaro jumped out and surprise attacked him, he stopped time. When Polnareff attacked him, he stopped time afterwards to kill Polnareff.Kirby71 said:@ThePixelKirby you are assuming that Dio Will immediately use time stop after time erasure, its not, Dio Will get confused after seeing Diavolo just dissapeared, and even if he is faster, he won't do turn around fast enough, Diavolo blows head and finishes quickly, Bucciarati, per example, was outright pale by confusion, Also yes, i know Diavolo Will aim for the head, remember Epitaph, Diavolo precogs, sees himself being blown up, and sees Dio as a threat, then erases time, Also Dio doesnt know about the time erasure, dont assume Dio instantly uses [The place we all live on] again, even with the cooldown passed, It isnt passive Dio has to do It, and won't vía my reasons.
So you agree that if Diavolo doesn't aim for the head (Which he won't, as every single Diavolo fight dictates), DIO time stops and wins?Kirby71 said:>once Dio underSTANDS Diavolo's pattern
This fight is fast, the fight can literally last seconds, It is to get Blown Up in head, or to get time stopped.
>It was already debated thoroughly that Diavolo rarely if ever aims for the head. Its OOC
Diavolo may be prideful, but he isnt a moron, you are assuming Diavolo will not go for a safe kill, after seeing himself being blown up vía Epitaph, Also, Dio's stand ability isnt hard to pick up, he Will see everything happening instantly, so he Will notice that dio can time stop, after seeing that, i doubt Diavolo doesnt attackcthe head or do a mega attack rush.
Also Dio did answer Jotaro and polnareff's attacks vía time stopping when he was under attack already, what if he just doesnt see the opponent? he Will just look around, but late.
..Which would mean Diavolo never gets to hit DIO, since every single time time erasure ends, he instantly has to erase time again to avoid Time Stop, Which is not only dubious and OOC, but also unlikely that he could do that given all the downtime in between uses of his erasure.Iapitus The Impaler said:I did address what Diavolo can do about him stopping time right out of erased time. If DIO was going to, then He doesn't any more. It's that simple. If DIO was fated to stop time after the erased time, then the points erased compensate to make sure that didn't happen. I have said this repeatedly.
I think.The God Of Procrastination said:Part 3 Dio.
Dio Brando: 9 (ThePixelKirby, Dragopentling, Arrogant Schmuck, HierophantDeluxe, Genericstickman, Xanxussama1010, Torlikoff, Mr Bambu, Anttron224)
Diavolo: 7 (Triforce, Lord Urien, EmperorDoom, Kirby75, TacticalNuke, Tincan123, Jackythejack) Inconclusive: