Diavolo vs Batman (Post-Crisis)

[Eficiente]

• If you actually put together the context you wouldn't be saying that, "Jotaro holding back" is a thing at times, yes, Jotaro holding back with a serial killer who was going to do something that was going to kill everyone is not a thing, the first demonstration of the power of that serial killer's Stand was maybe also not him holding back. GE could harm a Stand who restred the one who took hits from serial killer's Stand.
• The whole plot point of GER.
• Why do you keep doing this? Legit why? It is not sensing at all, he's outright seeing him all the time, everything Batman does goes at once yet also none but Diavolo can move within erased time. Even the one feat in Batman's profile that says that he disappeared with someone seeing him has that someone not seeing him for a brief moment. Batman cannot disappear when he's legit always being seen and not moving.
• Yes.
• Well yeah Batman has that but not the last thing. It's not a thing of intelligent, Diavolo's ability has make others; Be eating something without noticing it, holding hands with someone and then just be holding only the hand without the body of that someone, and grabbing the hand of other and then be grabbing one's own amputated hand. All of that unnoticed by everyone, and it's not as it everyone were just idiots for not knowing this, it is a legit effect of his power, meaning you don't get pass it via being intelligent alone.
• The first part of that, yes, for the other, no. Diavolo's ability is more hard to understand than most others and one can't fundamentally know how some parts work as it's left vague. But, again, the other thing needs to be fixed, knowing "KC sees the future and erases time to not get damaged" is faaar less info than the mechanics behind that, side effects and how everything fundamentally works.
• I would say "no" or at least "it's not the same" due the stuff in the fifth of this things.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

Batman FRA, the idea that Diavolo's Precog is somehow better than Spectre's is just... I can't even find the right word to describe it...

 

[Sixo_Bullets]

Batman for the reasons above. Precog being overhyped again ƒÿ┤

 

[TriforcePower1]

>Precog is overhyped

Boi, there's a reason King Crimson's OP, and precog is the least of Batman's problems.

 

[Sixo_Bullets]

It is overhyped. His precog is, again, up to his interpretation and this is constantly ignored. Precognition is good, yes, but his is not the best.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

You know what, I'm switching to inconclusive. This match has way too many variables to have a clear victor, especially with so much precog and shenanigans flying around in any case. If it wasn't for Batman's superior experience, he'd probably lose, but since he does have that, I'm gonna assume thi is inconclusive.

 

[Elizhaa]

You know what, I'm switching to inconclusive. This match has way too many variables to have a clear victor, especially with so much precog and shenanigans flying around in any case. If it wasn't for Batman's superior experience, he'd probably lose, but since he does have that, I'm gonna assume thi is inconclusive.

I mean why would Batman lose because besides Precognition, Batman out skills and the Ap difference is negligible?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Time Erase makes pulling a final victory very hard for Batman, even if that is the case. So Batman very high difficulty or inconclusive makes the most sense.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

what is the score so far?

 

[Christian_Higdon]

Batman pulls the anti-donut spray FRA.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

I wouldn't be surprised if he actually has that

 

[Eficiente]

the idea that Diavolo's Precog is somehow better than Spectre's is just... I can't even find the right word to describe it...

That's some insane wank right there, go ask someone to add whatever info you may think Batman's profile lacks.

It is overhyped. His precog is, again, up to his interpretation and this is constantly ignored. Precognition is good, yes, but his is not the best.

I told you this many, many times by now. His precog works like this but he sees everything within erased time.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Just for the record, Batman being able to hide from the Spectre falls under stealth mastery and was accepted on the revision

 

[Eficiente]

That's ok in a vacuum, if we want to claim that Spectre was using his precog that's a whole different thing.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

That's generally a feat for hiding, not anything about precog. Not sure where they got that from.

 

[Eficiente]

I give myself an idea..

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

he would still have stealth mastery, just not from that

 

[Moritzva]

Yea, uh...

I see absolutely no way Batman wins this.

Battle starts, time erase, Diavolo is behind Batman. Even with prior knowledge, with speed equalized, there's no way he'll be able to dodge before being hit.

Precog means all of Batman's surprise attacks would fail and means running would also fail.

Higher AP means one hit basically cripples or kills Batman (Or, at least, does a lot of damage).

The Stand being invisible means Batman can't even get close to him.

Vote for Diavolo. How does Batman ever, ever win this?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

He dodges. Not to mention he has enough AP to not get one shot,

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yea, uh...

I see absolutely no way Batman wins this.

Battle starts, time erase, Diavolo is behind Batman. Even with prior knowledge, with speed equalized, there's no way he'll be able to dodge before being hit.

Precog means all of Batman's surprise attacks would fail and means running would also fail.

Higher AP means one hit basically cripples or kills Batman (Or, at least, does a lot of damage).

The Stand being invisible means Batman can't even get close to him.

Vote for Diavolo. How does Batman ever, ever win this?

Batman isn't being found by Diavolo's precog. His feats of hiding are far above Diavolo's sensing feats.

Batman regularly dodges blows from people with equal speed via skill and IR.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

And Batman can sense KC and can use his cowl to see it.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

Yeah... if batman knows how it works then he will devise a plan for every contingency (He actually does this) so he will try to predict all of his opponents moves (Check the link yobo left, he does this in fights) so if he get behind batman then bruce will dodge, because he is ready for it, and beat him into the ground (He regularly fights Baddies that ae stronger than him with pure skill)

 

[Moritzva]

He dodges. Not to mention he has enough AP to not get one shot,

Speed equal, and Precog can predict a dodge. With Speed Equal, and given how Diavolo fights, I don't see him missing here. With precog he can see exactly how Batman would dodge.

And not only that, but he'd need to do that dozens of consecutive times, and find a way to win.

 

[DMB_1]

How do you hide from the future?

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

also Yobo, are you still for inconclusive? or Bats High-diff?

 

[Moritzva]

Yeah... if batman knows how it works then he will devise a plan for every contingency (He actually does this) so he will try to predict all of his opponents moves (Check the link yobo left, he does this in fights) so if he get behind batman then bruce will dodge, because he is ready for it, and beat him into the ground (He regularly fights Baddies that ae stronger than him with pure skill)

He doesn't have prep time, and saying "he has a plan" isn't an argument for how Diavolo would lose. So not only can Batman not dodge due to being precog'd, but Batman can't win in a fight due to Time Erase + Invisible Stand.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

How do you hide from the future?

https://youtu.be/8SrNZprL8QE

 

[Moritzva]

And Batman can sense KC and can use his cowl to see it.

You can't hide from the future, and sensing isn't as good as seeing.

Seriously, it's impossible to "hide" from the future. Batman runs off behind some rocks. Diavolo sees him do this before he does this. Batman sneak attacks. Diavolo sees this 10 seconds ahead of time. See the problem?

 

[Moritzva]

https://youtu.be/8SrNZprL8QE

...No?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

You can't hide from the future, and sensing isn't as good as seeing.

Seriously, it's impossible to "hide" from the future. Batman runs off behind some rocks. Diavolo sees him do this before he does this. Batman sneak attacks. Diavolo sees this 10 seconds ahead of time. See the problem?

That implies that Diavolo can understand or notice someone that regularly goes unnoticed by people who can hear every action in the world and pinpoint minute occurrences.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

How do you hide from the future?

You can't, but you can hide from someone who sees the future

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Also, that would require Diavolo to spam Epitaph literally constantly.

 

[Moritzva]

You can't hide from the future, and sensing isn't as good as seeing.

Seriously, it's impossible to "hide" from the future. Batman runs off behind some rocks. Diavolo sees him do this before he does this. Batman sneak attacks. Diavolo sees this 10 seconds ahead of time. See the problem?

That implies that Diavolo can understand or notice someone that regularly goes unnoticed by people who can hear every action in the world and pinpoint minute occurrences.

No. It's implying Batman can't hide in the first place. They start in sight of each other. If Batman jumps behind rocks, Diavolo sees it. If Batman sneak attacks, Diavolo sees it. It's hard to hide when they can follow you everywhere you go before you're even there.

Batman hides in a building? Time erase, he just ran face-first into King Crimson.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Speed Equal isn't enough to account for Batman's massive skill advantage. Speed is only a small part of dodging.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

ThePixelKirby, he doesn't really need prep for that he does literally mid battle

Honestly, he may not even need to try and trick him, he could just adapt mid battle

just because he knows what bruce will do doesn't nessacarily mean he can defend from it and bruce would know this

if he goes behind him, bruce will surely have a tactic in place ready for the battle

he will just have to adapt to him moving around, it is basically fighting a teleporter, a challenge he can surely face

 

[Moritzva]

Also, that would require Diavolo to spam Epitaph literally constantly.

...he does. Constantly.

 

[Axl233]

King Crimson can one shot people who are stronger then Batmam,btw Batman cannot see or hurt stands so he either gets donut'ed or shoked to death.

 

[Moritzva]

ThePixelKirby, he doesn't really need prep for that he does literally mid battle

Honestly, he may not even need to try and trick him, he could just adapt mid battle

just because he knows what bruce will do doesn't nessacarily mean he can defend from it and bruce would know this

if he goes behind him, bruce will surely have a tactic in place ready for the battle

he will just have to adapt to him moving around, it is basically fighting a teleporter, a challenge he can surely face

What's the tactic? Saying "he has a tactic" means nothing, what's the tactic?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

...he does. Constantly.

Without break? There have always been periods where he hasn't used it, and even if he can he still can't attack outside of a time erase.

 

[Moritzva]

Speed Equal isn't enough to account for Batman's massive skill advantage. Speed is only a small part of dodging.

Speed is a lot of dodging, especially when KC knows where Batman is dodging to.