Diavolo vs Batman (Post-Crisis)

[The_Impress]

Nice.

 

[Jackythejack]

I mean sorry I just felt a little ignored.

Still though he doesn't one shot is what I'm trying to establish.

carry on now

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Precognition by no means is equivalent to Extrasensory Perception or Enhanced Senses, both of which would have to be above Superman (Post-Crisis) and The Spectre's to find Batman.

 

[Ogbunabali]

I've come to the conclusion that Diavolo is like, maybe two times stronger than Batman if that in terms of AP.
Not sure if that matters

Batman scales to ths.

 

[TriforcePower1]

How?

Because Diavolo will know everything Batman will do before he does it.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

How?

Because Diavolo will know everything Batman will do before he does it.

And? That doesn't let him find Batman.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Nor does it let him counter what Batman does do.

 

[The_Impress]

Precognition by no means is equivalent to Extrasensory Perception or Enhanced Senses, both of which would have to be above Superman (Post-Crisis) and The Spectre's to find Batman.

Um why? Precog is still precog. Diavolo can still see how he is getting ****** over.

 

[Eficiente]

Because Diavolo isn't constantly erasing time. There are periods where he is not using KC.

This is true, but please take into consideration how those periods can be very short, KC doesn't have a cooldown, him kidnapping Trish and killing Narancia is him erasing time twice without anyone being aware of it.

 

[Jackythejack]

I've come to the conclusion that Diavolo is like, maybe two times stronger than Batman if that in terms of AP. 'Not sure if that matters

Batman scales to ths.

I was told that's like, .61 tons or something unless I was lied to

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Um why? Precog is still precog

Because precog is just seeing the future, not understanding it. Batman regularly disappears on people right in front of their faces without them seeing where he goes.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

This is true, but please take into consideration how those periods can be very short, KC doesn't have a cooldown, him kidnapping Trish and killing Narancia is him erasing time twice without anyone being aware of it.

This is true, but Batman also has sticky bombs and mines which don't necessarily detonate immediately after he throws them. Any one of those and Diavolo is done for,

 

[Eficiente]

Even if he can see them, that doesn't mean he can avoid them.

He can by erasing that.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Um why? Precog is still precog. Diavolo can still see how he is getting ****** over.

As I've said, seeing how he gets screwed over doesn't mean he can avoid it.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

It should be fairly obvious that something like surprise attacks and stealth is hard countered by epitaph which is essentially precognition. Time Erase puts Diavolo in the best situation possible and lets him avoid all of Batman's tricks.

Jack he probably doesn't one shot but a good donut shot would do serious damage

 

[Yobo_Blue]

He can by erasing that.

Yes, but he would have to be doing that against literally everything Batman can do, constantly, and hoping Batman doesn't pull out something that lasts longer then 10 seconds like nerve gas. This is Batman willing to kill after all.

 

[Jackythejack]

What even is a donut shot?

 

[Ogbunabali]

This.

 

[The_Impress]

I'll vote Diavolo as well. Batman would likely be half dead in the first shot with the second shot soon to follow.

Btw, Batman can see stands via extrasensory perception. Does that change anything?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It should be fairly obvious that something like surprise attacks and stealth is hard countered by epitaph which is essentially precognition. Time Erase puts Diavolo in the best situation possible and lets him avoid all of Batman's tricks.

Jack he probably doesn't one shot but a good donut shot would do serious damage

And even if he can, he still won't be able to find Batman, so even if he erases the occurrences, eventually Batman will get a hit in. After all, one of Diavolo's weaknesses is that he doesn't always interpret Epitaph correctly.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

What even is a donut shot?

A punch from King Crimson

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I'll vote Diavolo as well. Batman would likely be half dead in the first shot with the second shot soon to follow.

Btw, Batman can see stands via extrasensory perception. Does that change anything?

Except Batman will have dodged that first shot via Instinctive Reaction, Precognition, and raw skill.

 

[Eficiente]

This is true, but Batman also has sticky bombs and mines which don't necessarily detonate immediately after he throws them. Any one of those and Diavolo is done for,

He sees himself damaged by them and then Batman using them within the erased time, that's how his power works, so he just erases that or dodges them.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I don't see what's stopping Batman from dodging King Crimson. That's the big issue with Diavolo putting Batman down.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

What even is a donut shot?

https://youtu.be/aKFfEOHbvRk (2:10)

 

[Jackythejack]

So just...punching a hole in him??

I mean due to the ap gap that shouldn't one shot or even effect Batman too much of what I'm told was right...at most with him being 8-C+ he's like 3 times stronger

 

[TheArsenal1212]

I don't see what's stopping Batman from dodging King Crimson. That's the big issue with Diavolo putting Batman down.

Even though he knows about KC, he still can't actually see it

 

[Yobo_Blue]

He sees himself damaged by them and then Batman using them within the erased time, that's how his power works, so he just erases that or dodges them.

And he can do that endlessly at literally everything Batman can do without rest or any breaks in between?

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Plus erased time literally puts Diavolo in the perfect position to hit Batman if he wants to

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Even though he knows about KC, he still can't actually see it

Except he can easily dodge threats he hasn't seen and can still sense it.

 

[Eficiente]

Because precog is just seeing the future, not understanding it. Batman regularly disappears on people right in front of their faces without them seeing where he goes.

After seeing the furute he sees the whole process of everyone doing everything within the erased time, so he sees Batman doing that.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Plus erased time literally puts Diavolo in the perfect position to hit Batman if he wants to

That still doesn't compare to Batman's own precognition and raw skill. Batman can easily dodge either way.

 

[IvoryAS]

Is there enough grounds to call an FRA fro Diavolo?

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Is there enough grounds to call an FRA fro Diavolo?

Yes

 

[TheArsenal1212]

'Doesn't Compare'

Diavolo literally has better precog than Batman

 

[Yobo_Blue]

After seeing the furute he sees the whole process of everyone doing everything within the erased time, so he sees Batman doing that.

And everyone else can too. Unless Diavolo's sightnis somehow above Superman's, he still won't know what happened.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

'Doesn't Compare'

Diavolo literally has better precog than Batman

Yes, but Batman also outskills him hundred of times over and has Ir, which is more then Diavolo.

 

[Eficiente]

I don't see what's stopping Batman from dodging King Crimson. That's the big issue with Diavolo putting Batman down.

Using fighting games terms, that's just getting back into the meta, which does nothing good to Batman as he can't harm KC and Diavolo has the mobility advantage.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Is there enough grounds to call an FRA fro Diavolo?

Not even. Every reason for Diavolo is currently under argument.

 

[The_Impress]

By a single person. You can FRA anytime you want if you agree with the reasoning