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Devil May Cry: Question about Dante's speed

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The thunderclouds may not be thunderclouds; there are many different types of haze or cloud that could have been, and that's without the chance Mundus created it to serve as a smokescreen to blind Dante.

And the fact the stars are out of sight is extremely obvious in the cutscene as there is a shot right before Dante enters the haze where the entire screen is filled with empty black space with no stars, plus the huge gaps in the haze through which no stars are visible. Since at the start the stars were so numerous there would never have been that much space without so much as one star around there, it makes it pretty clear.
 
You do make some good points, but really need to work on the structure of your posts.

I will highlight this thread for more community input.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, if Dante and Mundus truly did fly past galaxies, then that is a MFTL+ feat, but the thunderclouds would also make the feat more unreliable.
I also agree with the others, in that we do need solid proof of creating a space-time continuum from scratch to warrant a Low 2-C rating.
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The question is, do you have any other explanations then??Like I said before, I'm all ears but so far noone has provided an alternate theory.

Take another careful look at this clip, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmBOOL-5I9E&app=desktop

Pause the clip at 3:17-18 and see for yourself!The stars disappeared even before there was this cloud or haze or whatever.And in any case, there were some huge gaps in between the 'clouds' and also, the background was still visible behind Mundus and again, it was devoid of any celestial bodies all along the fight sequence.

For once, it's no longer just a pocket dimension but a full fledged universe and the same can not even exist without its temporal dimension/ time!!So there's that.

Then, Mundus was shown as being capable of merging two universes with different time continuum altogether.How do you think that would be possible without effecting a space-time continuum??

His aura was strong enough for his mere presence to create space-time inconsistencies in Mallet island as the notes Dante found there mentioned of plants and flowers etc growing at different speeds at different parts of the island.That's a very clear hint as to his true capabilities.Once just needs to find them and interpret them properly.
 
Again that shows how it doesn't follow the same physics as the universe as there are clouds above the sky they were in.

You have been throwing speculation that while it can interpreted like that big issue it hasn't been confirmed. We only got a confirmation its a universes size dimension but space-time being different is up to speculation till further notice

He said merge could easily mean invade ya know such as saying US conquered australia that would be technically a merge. He did invade the human world so he kind of did a merge just not literal also even literal he could have done via hax not being used in combat

That's on a small scale and unless there is a mention that time is different in the pocket dimension then he doesn't have much other than minor space-time manipulation
 
Except not necessarily for several reasons:

A) there are clouds and hazes in space, as Grimm said earlier. They range from nebulae to dust clouds, and there's even rain in space in a sense.

B) Mundus could have created it. Considering his obvious plan was likely to fly a long way away and bombard Dante from a distance a sort of smoke screen would make sense.

And even if something proved gravity was upside down and sound was a solid in that universe, it still wouldn't in and of itself negate the stars being flown past and disappearing.
 
i never discard that all i meant to say was it's not beyond the observable universe and that while it may have it's own space-time right now there not enough evidence supporting that claim and we need more details
 
It's possible the thunderstorm was the atmosphere of another planet, my evidence being the volcanic terrain they drop into after the aerial battle; how it explains the gravity situation (like someone who's below the Earth so to speak, and jumps upwards to it.) With that said, re-entry speed should apply for a minimum value of Mach 25. Their projectiles would scale as they were travelling faster than they were flying; regarding the stars, we don't really know if they moved past them since the atmosphere blocks any view of them. As well as the volcanic ash in the second segment of the fight.
 
I don't really care about the space-time. I'm not talking about it. I'm only talking about the speed feats. And I say that they clearly flew past the stars. And I'm asking for someone to help me get that speed feat calculated and accepted.
 
Just regarding speed, when are we getting the laser dodges calc'd? Trish pushes Dante out of the way of a laser from Mundus. Dante does the same with Lucia when Arius captures him, Arius uses multiple elements including light. If Mundus is FTL then Argosax should be comparable, and Dante blitzed Argosax.
 
Well the best way to calc is more of the final fight in the pocket dimension. The light and laser thing will depend whether it acted like a legit light and laser though idk about it
 
Gargoyle,

I put a GIF and a video link higher up this page of the space flight feats by Dante and Mundus. That should help to have.
 
"Regarding the stars, we don't really know if they moved past them since the atmosphere blocks any view of them. As well as the volcanic ash in the second segment of the fight."

I don't want to repeat myself like this again, I encourage you to read prior comments.
 
Random-Helper323 said:
Gargoyle,

I put a GIF and a video link higher up this page of the space flight feats by Dante and Mundus. That should help to have.
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Lazer dodge feats are far more consistent and make more sense.
 
Except that right before Dante ascends into the haze we see a mass of empty black space covering the whole screen right before the camera aims up into the haze. There was no haze there that could have covered the stars.

And yeah I missed your earlier comment. It went up while I was writing and I missed it.
 
@Grimm

I appreciate your input, but I beg that you change your tone to be more respectful to the staff. They put a lot of hard work running this site just so that folks like us can have fun. Also, it would behoove us to be very focused on one topic at a time.

I'll give my input in a minute or two; first, I will read through all the comments once more.
 
OK, two points real quick (pun!). First, let's be sure to drop the whole 4-D thing for now. Grimm, go ahead and copy-paste everything you just said into a Word Document; later, on your own time, you should present a consise arguement to put on an entirely different revision thread. After you copy everything over so it isn't lost, it would be greatly appreciated if you edited those comments to be less lengthy for the sake of easily navigating this thread. Second, I think it would be safe to say that Dante and the other top tier possess MFTL speeds, but we need to decide what the lack of stars in a certain area connotes first. Give me a minute to think; I'll try to divine a solution to this query...

@Gargoyle 1

Thank you! Keep an eye out for the ability addition threads I am planning. Not much of anything major, but it merits a revsion thread, anyway. Also, I would appreciate input on my blog pages!
 
@Cal

Mundus and Dante one-shot Arceus confirmed.

Ok, back to business. The cutscene of them flying by all the stars is perfectly fine for a calc. But we're talkin' about the edge of the universe thing, right? So, the thunderstorm. I guess it's been established that it is possible to create a thunderstorm in space, and Mundus and at least one of his generals, Griffon, have shown Weather Manipulation capabilities (Mundus is especially impressive because he caused a storm in the Human World from the Demon World). The arguement being made for the to-the-edge feat is that there are no visible celsetial bodies in the first stage of the fight and that Mundus made the storm. He probably did make the storm... but this doesn't mean they were at the edge of the universe. If anything, that planetoid calls this claim into further questioning. I guess it's possible, but unless anyone has anything else to bring to the table or if I realize something, I see no need to assume this is the case.

Oh, someone asked Kamiya if they flew to the edge of the universe. His response? "Maybe. Maybe not." Wah wah. This is why we are to never pester people online, kiddos!
 
Pfft. What is this downplay? Clearly it takes half a meteor to one shot Arceus, so they less than one-shot him :p

I agree with @FGF here in seriousness though.
 
@Cal

I'll upgrade the entirety of the DMC verse to at least 2-B straightaway!

But in seriousness, I really wouldn't mind a calc of them flying by the stars and a calc of them flying to the edge of the universe, too. The latter calc wouldn't be added on their pages now; it'd just be handy in case any new information came to light. I'm looking through the stategy guides at the moment...
 
"The argument being made for the to-the-edge feat is that there are no visible celestial bodies in the first stage of the fight"

I'll repeat for the third time:

"Regarding the stars, we don't really know if they moved past them since the atmosphere blocks any view of them. As well as the volcanic ash in the second segment of the fight."

Also, the pitch black darkness below Dante and Mundus is that of the planetoid not that of space. This is proven in the second segment of the fight.
 
@AMM

Oh, I agree with you; sorry if I didn't make that clear. I was just trying to articulate Grimm's arguement in a condensed fashion. Yes, the space below just led to a planetoid. As far as the "voids" to their sides, that's likely just obscured by the thunderstorm.
 
Ah alright, with that said. The only concrete speed rating this feat warrants is re-entry speed. So like Mach 25, the projectiles should be much faster though considering they go faster than they fly.
 
But what of the flight past the stars? I believe that was perfectly sensible for calculating speed; the two of them flew past those stars and their battle led to a random planetoid.
 
The fight also begins after Dante and Mundus have flown so far past the stars that the stars cannot be seen, even beneath them, where no clouds can be seen. This could be something to consider for the calculation.
 
Actually, I just thought of something. Now, this may be difficult to believe, but hear me out; you've all seen that I have been reasonable and reluctant to make bold claims and I was against Tier 2 DMC and the edge of the universe thing, so you know that I don't bring this up lightly:

I think Dante and Mundus may have outran a Big Bang.

What? Huh? Hear me out: When Mundus creates the universe, look at how this universe expands. Also, the star cluster grows thinner as they fly "upward." Lastly, it explains why no celestial bodies can be seen in the first phase of the fight, even in spots where there is no haze at all. "But how could they fly where there is no 3-D space yet?" Well, the 3-D space was created when Mundus flapped his wings; the celestial bodies had yet to reach their final destination. In fact, you can see that the stars in the cutscene are actually in an active state of motion! All this leaves to question is the planetoid, but all we know of its location is that it is located a considerable distance awy from any other celestial bodies; the surface of the planetoid is lit by only the magma on its surface.

Let us discuss whether or not these things could imply what I have suggested. I am open to ideas in support of and in opposition to my observations.
 
I think you're going a little too deep into this, we see Dante and Mundus talk before they end up flying, plus I don't think the animator would put that much detail.
 
@Gargoyle 1

I don't know for certain, myself. I just thought it would be good idea to address it sooner rather than later, especially since the purpose of this thread is to determine the speed of the top tiers. This could all be coincidental, but I would rather share the idea and let people make their own decisions, rather than me thinking about it myself, rejecting it, and not seeing what others think. Let's just see where this goes.
 
@AMM

Well, I thought that Mundus's weather manipulation could have had something to do with that. I figured there was too much speculation for the whole Big Bang thing to be feasible, but I thought it would at least be a good idea to acknowledge the possiblity (however small) here instead of making a big deal of it elsewhere.

EDIT: The order of events I considered was: Big Bang, fly past it and the stars, Mundus creates a storm to impede Dante, fight 1, they damage each other and stop flying forward, Big Bang catches up, they hit random planetoid, fight 2.

What I want to hear from others is whether this order of events requires too much speculation to be considered feasible. It may or may not be possible, depending on whether or not anyone can show any contradictions. A matter of not just possiblity, but likelyhood.
 
Ok, looks like no one wants to talk about the Big Bang thing. Again, just thought I'd bring it up to see what others thought, but it seems that it was a case built on insufficient circumstantial evidence, as I feared. I take it we narrowed everything down to just the feat of flying past the star cluster?
 
Follow Doctor Freeman said:
Ok, looks like no one wants to talk about the Big Bang thing. Again, just thought I'd bring it up to see what others thought, but it seems that it was a case built on insufficient circumstantial evidence, as I feared. I take it we narrowed everything down to just the feat of flying past the star cluster?
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Yeah, though we should not forget the laser dodge feats I mentioned
 
So what is the conclusion here? Should we accept MFTL+ Dante and Mundus, or not?
 
Okay, speaking that way to a staff member is definitely grounds for a permanent block.
 
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