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The Keysword is the biggest argument in the debate and the reason why Trunks arguably wins
Not giving trunks the sword would be dumb
Yeah I'd be honestly shocked if they don't give him the Keysword. I think the only question would be if he's allowed to use it at full power or not because that's apparently something he needs external help to do? I'm not the most familiar with DBH so I can't say for certain.
 
Yeah I'd be honestly shocked if they don't give him the Keysword. I think the only question would be if he's allowed to use it at full power or not because that's apparently something he needs external help to do? I'm not the most familiar with DBH so I can't say for certain.
It would be quite dumb not to give Trunks the Awakened Keysword considering one of his summons is the Awakened Keysword lol.

It's not like he needs TPU Chronoa, Tokitoki or Demigra to amp it up for him. Note: He can also summon Chronoa and True Tokitoki too
 
Nice preview so far. They are giving him the Goku Black arc stuff. They just went over what Time Patrol does and a brief overview of Xenoverse.
That's pretty stupid IMO.
I know DB is pretty lenient when it comes to composite characters, but Xeno Trunks is fundamentally different from his counterpart in Super considering he has his own unique transformations and abilities, so what's the point of giving him Super stuff?
 
That's pretty stupid IMO.
I know DB is pretty lenient when it comes to composite characters, but Xeno Trunks is fundamentally different from his counterpart in Super considering he has his own unique transformations and abilities, so what's the point of giving him Super stuff?
I mean they love compositing the Manga and Anime versions of Super for some reason despite being different continuities so honestly I've got no idea lol.

It would be quite dumb not to give Trunks the Awakened Keysword considering one of his summons is the Awakened Keysword lol.

It's not like he needs TPU Chronoa, Tokitoki or Demigra to amp it up for him. Note: He can also summon Chronoa and True Tokitoki too
If his summons allow people to amp it for him or just, summon the full power Keysword, then yeah, I guess giving it to him isn't a problem then.
 
I mean they love compositing the Manga and Anime versions of Super for some reason despite being different continuities so honestly I've got no idea lol.
I can tolerate them compositing the manga and anime considering that, although events are admittedly different, the stories (till Moro) are pretty identical so I guess you could squeeze them both in.
But using a radically different version of a character and giving him his canon abilities is when I have to draw a line because of how different the Xeno characters are
 
I can tolerate them compositing the manga and anime considering that, although events are admittedly different, the stories (till Moro) are pretty identical so I guess you could squeeze them both in.
But using a radically different version of a character and giving him his canon abilities is when I have to draw a line because of how different the Xeno characters are
Yeah, I assume they probably just decided to throw his Super shit in since its likely not making a difference in the verdict, and cause they're giving Silver a lot of his stuff from the games.
 
Is Jason-X canon?
Nothing contradicts it. No reason to treat it as not.
you could also actually scale him to mountain level via fighting Necronomicon Freddy who created a MASSIVE storm casually
But true, Jason's high-end scaling is a lot higher than Michael but I doubt they'd use that high level of stuff and keep it more """"grounded""" for Michael vs Jason by giving him just what he needs to win, plus if Jason had large AP advantage, Michael still has ways of staying in the game if you composite him, via his Curse of Thorn and Empowerment (if they wank it they could even get Michael being on par anyway via the "cannot defeat him with brute force" and "Every time he kills he transcends" quotes)

How I see them scaling them is:
AP/Dura: Jason
Speed: Equal if not Jason has the slightest advantage
Intelligence: Comparable
X factors: Jason handedly

(obviously this is all going off of not giving him Uber-Jason who is basically Horror Doomsday)
Y'know, I tried to get that calc'd too, years ago. Never heard anything back on it.

Yeah that sounds right. I bet they'll give a slight edge in intelligence to Michael, if only to make it sound like he had some sort of advantage. If they do end up doing Michael vs Jason, I would love for Michael to use his driving skills in the fight.
 
That's pretty stupid IMO.
I know DB is pretty lenient when it comes to composite characters, but Xeno Trunks is fundamentally different from his counterpart in Super considering he has his own unique transformations and abilities, so what's the point of giving him Super stuff?
yeah thats my issue Cause Xeno Trunks is far different from his Canon counterpart
nothing implies Xeno Trunks+Super Trunks in History given Xeno Trunks never dealt with Black
 

like Night n Day here
 
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Doesn't help that Gorr in Thor: Love & Thunder was very bad lol

Side note; A fellow Silver supporter I see, very based man. 。^‿^。
I will argue in favor of Silver as long as I can. I think he's cool and I liked him a lot in Archie especially.

May someone explain the logic? Thanks.


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They showed this text when saying "Even with the differing timelines, it's heavily implied this Trunks has lived all the way through some variation of the Goku Black Saga."
 
I will argue in favor of Silver as long as I can. I think he's cool and I liked him a lot in Archie especially.


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They showed this text when saying "Even with the differing timelines, it's heavily implied this Trunks has lived all the way through some variation of the Goku Black Saga."
except that sticks to Xeno incarnation specifically not Heroes
 
I'm not an expert on Xeno/Heroes differences myself but every Dragon Ball friend I've asked has said this makes no sense lol

DB really gets some of the most generous scaling & compositing of any verse on this show, kinda crazy
I get it with Broly given that it didn't really impact the verdict and used Z-Broly breathing in space for his fight with Hulk

Black didn't get anything

Vegeta made sense Given The Manga is our only sense of Continuity given the Anime is off the air RN

this doesn't which is odd given Ultra Stated Xeno verse & Heroes don't share the same continuity
 
Like i said Keep it Heroes vs Archie specifically for the animation

i want SSJ,SSj3 and SSSJG vs Super Silver
or at Worse Ssj and SSJG vs Super Silver
I kinda want Silver to stay in base for a little bit, like dont have him go Super asap and have Trunks escalate through all his forms against Silver. Maybe have him go SSJ, and Silver still keeps up and does a lot of attack reflecting, representative of his fight with Dark Enerjak, and when Trunks goes SSJ3 Silver goes Super and starts matching/outpacing him, and then he finally goes SSSJG and they go all out.
 
I kinda want Silver to stay in base for a little bit, like dont have him go Super asap and have Trunks escalate through all his forms against Silver. Maybe have him go SSJ, and Silver still keeps up and does a lot of attack reflecting, representative of his fight with Dark Enerjak, and when Trunks goes SSJ3 Silver goes Super and starts matching/outpacing him, and then he finally goes SSSJG and they go all out.
Makes sense I need that proper transformation escalation we hadn't since Goku first fight and Broly for the most part
 
oops I messed up-i suggest watching the preview yourselves tomorrow and remember, it's just a preview. DIO didn't get The World Mentioned in his preview-did you had doubts he was going to get it ?
I mean I never doubted he was going to GET the Keysword. That's clearly something they wont mention until like, halfway thru the analysis or further.
 
oops I messed up-i suggest watching the preview yourselves tomorrow and remember, it's just a preview. DIO didn't get The World Mentioned in his preview-did you had doubts he was going to get it ?
I mean I never doubted he was going to GET the Keysword. That's clearly something they wont mention until like, halfway thru the analysis or further.
Sure. Remember that no Hellbat is officially talked about at the Batman preview (beside that thumbnail) at Batman vs Iron Man until the actual episode comes out? The same treatment I can see.
 
Wait let me rewind something here for a second here, okay? Did they actually claim that Xeno Trunks went through a variation of Goku Black?
That's fine with the Xenoverse version but it's explicitly shown in the manga, which I confidently assume will be used as supplementary evidence, that in Heroes Xeno Trunks only went up to after the Cell Games till he was recruited for the Time Patrol. Again, fundamentally different characters
 
Wait let me rewind something here for a second here, okay? Did they actually claim that Xeno Trunks went through a variation of Goku Black?
That's fine with the Xenoverse version but it's explicitly shown in the manga, which I confidently assume will be used as supplementary evidence, that in Heroes Xeno Trunks only went up to after the Cell Games till he was recruited for the Time Patrol. Again, fundamentally different characters
(Death Battle crew: Screw it. We composite different James Bond incarnations. We shall just composite game versions of him.)
 
Wait let me rewind something here for a second here, okay? Did they actually claim that Xeno Trunks went through a variation of Goku Black?
That's fine with the Xenoverse version but it's explicitly shown in the manga, which I confidently assume will be used as supplementary evidence, that in Heroes Xeno Trunks only went up to after the Cell Games till he was recruited for the Time Patrol. Again, fundamentally different characters
I get it with Broly given that it didn't really impact the verdict and used Z-Broly breathing in space for his fight with Hulk

Black didn't get anything

Vegeta made sense Given The Manga is our only sense of Continuity given the Anime is off the air RN

this doesn't which is odd given Ultra Stated Xeno verse & Heroes don't share the same continuity
except that sticks to Xeno incarnation specifically not Heroes
 
Wait let me rewind something here for a second here, okay? Did they actually claim that Xeno Trunks went through a variation of Goku Black?
That's fine with the Xenoverse version but it's explicitly shown in the manga, which I confidently assume will be used as supplementary evidence, that in Heroes Xeno Trunks only went up to after the Cell Games till he was recruited for the Time Patrol. Again, fundamentally different characters
What I posted in my quote was the exact phrasing they used with the exact text. Hell, let me record the exact segment of the preview
 
Actually this raises a pretty decent question though:
Does it seem rather pointless to include Xenoverse stuff? I get it's supplementary and all that, but Heroes is Xenoverse but incomprehensibly stronger and more haxed
Honestly isn't Super stuff even more pointless to include than Xenoverse stuff since both verses are significantly stronger than Super?
 
True that, especially when Heroes has infinitely better AP feats to scale to and speed feats which don't require scaling from Goku and Beerus' clash god wouldn't it be funny if they did somehow bring up Goku vs Beerus again into this?
I will actually literally implode please that's the one single thing I dont want to hear about in this analysis.
 
True that, especially when Heroes has infinitely better AP feats to scale to and speed feats which don't require scaling from Goku and Beerus' clash god wouldn't it be funny if they did somehow bring up Goku vs Beerus again into this?
Honestly isn't Super stuff even more pointless to include than Xenoverse stuff since both verses are significantly stronger than Super?

Actually this raises a pretty decent question though:
Does it seem rather pointless to include Xenoverse stuff? I get it's supplementary and all that, but Heroes is Xenoverse but incomprehensibly stronger and more haxed
Honestly there probably going all in cause there's no point running trunks back after this


Not only ya Using his strongest incarnation ya including Super shit into as well
 
Honestly? It's just weird they're bothering with using Super because they didn't want to use canon Trunks and Silver in this, which was because it gave Silver a fighting chance but it also gives Xeno Trunks more of an identity
 
Even the reboot already did it Archie Silver gonna get His Game shit as well as maybe IDW stuff
Honestly? It's just weird they're bothering with using Super because they didn't want to use canon Trunks and Silver in this, which was because it gave Silver a fighting chance but it also gives Xeno Trunks more of an identity
Yeah I don't get
At best maybe general info while mainly focusing on his Heroes stuff for the most part
 
Like what real reason to run back Trunks and Silver after this

Game Silver doesn't have anyone else and Trunks may have someone like Luminary but really wouldn't be interesting frankly given it's just retreading old info
 
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