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Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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Tipper17 said:
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Honestly I prefer King Mickey
 
greymerlion2 said:
Sakuya is just cursed with awful ass MUs.

Homura atleast has one or two better alts.
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I really don't understand the dislike for Sakuya vs Hit.

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Like, are we trying to find some deep, thematic opponent for Sakuya to go against? From what I've seen so far, Touhou is pretty lax in terms of story and character conflict, so I don't think you're going to find someone for Sakuya to bounce off of personality wise. Likewise goes for Hit, unless his universe is in danger or something like that. This match is just an excuse to watch two time-stoppers do some cool shit, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

Plus, have you guys played FighterZ? Hit's moveset is sick as ****. I want to see a spot where they both keep trying to appear behind the other's back and pull a "nothing personal, kid" move, only for the other to appear behind their back and try the same thing.

EDIT* Um, if I'm wrong in my reading of Touhou, feel free to call me a faker.
 
Tipper17 said:
@Kisaragi_Megumi so what forms Ultraman Zero can access to by himself?
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From his Ultimate Armor, Luna-Miracle/Strong-Corona, to Shining Form
Later on he managed to stacked Ultimate Armor to his Shining Form
Recent installment he has Wild Burst that can be used for instinctive reaction, and of course stacked it with Ultimate Shining Form
Zero Beyond is debatable since iirc after the event of Geed, he lost the access to use this form, tho in UGF: New Gen Heroes he managed to access it but that's more of the fact that it was being made by Geed, Ginga, Victory, X, and Orb, and said that form is Glitter Zero Beyond
 
Hunterzillas said:
I really don't understand the dislike for Sakuya vs Hit.

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Like, are we trying to find some deep, thematic opponent for Sakuya to go against? From what I've seen so far, Touhou is pretty lax in terms of story and character conflict, so I don't think you're going to find someone for Sakuya to bounce off of personality wise. Likewise goes for Hit, unless his universe is in danger or something like that. This match is just an excuse to watch two time-stoppers do some cool shit, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

Plus, have you guys played FighterZ? Hit's moveset is sick as ****. I want to see a spot where they both keep trying to appear behind the other's back and pull a "nothing personal, kid" move, only for the other to appear behind their back and try the same thing.

EDIT* Um, if I'm wrong in my reading of Touhou, feel free to call me a faker.
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Now that you say it, you are right to some extent about Sakuya. She isn't a very deep character, I don't even remember if she even had any character development outside of "I was bad but after being beaten up I turned good" She doesn't have an interesting backstory outside of fan theories.

That being said, if you wanted a time-stopper battle with Sakuya just because you want to see a cool time-stopping duel, you could pit her against uh. DIO over heaven (He has infinity Ultron) and Homura (She has Kurumi) If the alternatives of those opponents didn't exist then Sakuya vs Homura or DIO over heaven would be as good as Sakuya vs Hit

Though I disagree with Sakuya's personality part. You could write good dialogue into a fight with Sakuya (Though Death Battle has issues with shitty banter writing, seriously, 90% of the time it's just references of phrases they used in canon being repeated. Looking at you Thor vs Vergeta)

DIO is cocky and would bounce off Sakuya's personality pretty well
Homura uhh yeah Homura wouldn't bounce off well off Sakuya, she doesn't talk unless necessary
Pucci is Sakuya's best option for banter (Here I go promoting Sakuya vs Pucci again lol) Pucci is religious while Sakuya isn't so you could have her going full Reddit atheist against Pucci. Pucci is smart while Sakuya tends to be dumb and goofy, which can make an interesting dynamic. Sakuya is heroic while Pucci is villainous so you could write a heroin vs villain dynamic.

Though I admit that Hit is decent as a Sakuya MU, just not my preferred one. He is probably a C-tier opponent for Sakuya. But I kind of accepted him as the most possible opponent for Sakuya. I will have to learn to cope badly with Hit being Touhou's intro to death battle.

That being said, what are the Sakuya MUs? All the ones I know (And even acknowledge as a MU) are DIO (I will cry and scream furiously if he fights Sakuya in DB), Homura, Hit and Pucci. Are there even other decent Sakuya MUs?
 
Deidalius said:
Is Sakuya vs Ultraman zero a thing? Also, isn't he put against Gohan most of the time?

I only know about Ultraman Zero because people started mentioning him in the powerscaling community (I never saw anyone mention him outside of it)
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We can have more alternative MU and Zero vs Sakuya is a good MU, maybe i'm biased since i'm the one who popularised it by my thread lel
 
Mariogoods said:
That's right.

By the way, Preserved Plan surprises me and someone else. Maybe Astro Plan could be in VS Battles Wiki if not the inclusion rule. There is accusation of plagiarism in Astro Plan, and it is somewhat common in the 2000s.
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TBH who would not accuse Astro Plan for copying designs of Macross? Just look at the mecha design.

But yeah the story actually says Astro Plan has its own elements (or should I say, homages from many other robot anime).

Maybe Astro Plan could be in VS Battles Wiki if not the inclusion rule
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Well considering Genshin Impact is being considered by many as a Legend of Zelda ripoff and the profiles they are standing here, I think the profile quality itself is what matters whether profiles exist here.
(At least Astro Plan is an anime franchised, developed, published and aired. Many Chinese novels are published by novel websites and are poorly commissioned. Fate series and 07th Expansion and Touhou Project are the top three pillar "doujin" works in Japan)
 
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What a ******* matchup holy shit lol

Hunterzillas said:
I really don't understand the dislike for Sakuya vs Hit.

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Like, are we trying to find some deep, thematic opponent for Sakuya to go against? From what I've seen so far, Touhou is pretty lax in terms of story and character conflict, so I don't think you're going to find someone for Sakuya to bounce off of personality wise. Likewise goes for Hit, unless his universe is in danger or something like that. This match is just an excuse to watch two time-stoppers do some cool shit, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

Plus, have you guys played FighterZ? Hit's moveset is sick as ****. I want to see a spot where they both keep trying to appear behind the other's back and pull a "nothing personal, kid" move, only for the other to appear behind their back and try the same thing.

EDIT* Um, if I'm wrong in my reading of Touhou, feel free to call me a faker.
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Sure, Touhou is lax in how it treats its stories and doesn’t exactly have deep character development (most characters appear at the end of their character arcs as is, with the exception of Reimu, Marisa, Cirno, Kasen, Kosuzu, The Komeijis, and a few others who have actual arcs/development), but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re lacking in story/character at all. The characters’ backstories usually paint a relatively vivid picture and most Touhou content is very slice of life esque with a lot of worldbuilding, character interactions and character building, and utilizes a lot of subtext which gives most characters a lot of personality to actually work with.

The issue most ppl have with the matchup to my understanding is just that it’s very surface level and doesn’t really touch in anything for either character in terms of their stories or characters behind cold & cool cosmic time stoppers. I think it’s a rather boring MU on that front.

Though overtime I’ve become more neutral on the MU purely because it’s a dragon ball character, the fight would go hard and you can always have good fight animation potential when it comes to a DB character, and Sakuya has a pretty strong visual identity, what with the gothic crimson tones she’s usually surrounded by, that could be baked into the fight to give a distinct visual identity. Plus a Sakuya dub would have awesome reactions.

Ultimately it’s just a surface level MU that only really survives / does well because it’s Hit’s only notable MU as of now, Sakuya has TOO MANY MUs to choose from, and it would translate to a hype animation. I think people are looking for something that works thematically & animation wise like KaSonic, MarisaYuffie, RemiRachel, FlanMarx, YukariAltair, etc.
 
Deidalius said:
Now that you say it, you are right to some extent about Sakuya. She isn't a very deep character, I don't even remember if she even had any character development outside of "I was bad but after being beaten up I turned good" She doesn't have an interesting backstory outside of fan theories.

That being said, if you wanted a time-stopper battle with Sakuya just because you want to see a cool time-stopping duel, you could pit her against uh. DIO over heaven (He has infinity Ultron) and Homura (She has Kurumi) If the alternatives of those opponents didn't exist then Sakuya vs Homura or DIO over heaven would be as good as Sakuya vs Hit

Though I disagree with Sakuya's personality part. You could write good dialogue into a fight with Sakuya (Though Death Battle has issues with shitty banter writing, seriously, 90% of the time it's just references of phrases they used in canon being repeated. Looking at you Thor vs Vergeta)

DIO is cocky and would bounce off Sakuya's personality pretty well
Homura uhh yeah Homura wouldn't bounce off well off Sakuya, she doesn't talk unless necessary
Pucci is Sakuya's best option for banter (Here I go promoting Sakuya vs Pucci again lol) Pucci is religious while Sakuya isn't so you could have her going full Reddit atheist against Pucci. Pucci is smart while Sakuya tends to be dumb and goofy, which can make an interesting dynamic. Sakuya is heroic while Pucci is villainous so you could write a heroin vs villain dynamic.

Though I admit that Hit is decent as a Sakuya MU, just not my preferred one. He is probably a C-tier opponent for Sakuya. But I kind of accepted him as the most possible opponent for Sakuya. I will have to learn to cope badly with Hit being Touhou's intro to death battle.

That being said, what are the Sakuya MUs? All the ones I know (And even acknowledge as a MU) are DIO (I will cry and scream furiously if he fights Sakuya in DB), Homura, Hit and Pucci. Are there even other decent Sakuya MUs?
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I wouldn’t really say “dumb and goofy” is Sakuya’s main characteristic, she can be goofy at times but it’s typically subdued, and the atheism thing is like a one time throwaway like that’d be weird to make a fight dynamic out of lol.

Sakuya is more dutiful, stone serious in most matters, but with a teasing streak and mild splash of snarky aggression to those she fights (I think she’s told at least 3 people to kill themselves). She generally fits more as a reactive character than a causation one.
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
I wouldn’t really say “dumb and goofy” is Sakuya’s main characteristic, she can be goofy at times but it’s typically subdued, and the atheism thing is like a one time throwaway like that’d be weird to make a fight dynamic out of lol.

Sakuya is more dutiful, stone serious in most matters, but with a teasing streak and mild splash of snarky aggression to those she fights (I think she’s told at least 3 people to kill themselves). She generally fits more as a reactive character than a causation one.
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Hit: Time to make the donuts.

Sakuya:

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Tipper17 said:
In the cast, Ben said season 10 might not start til the beginning of April
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That’s about what I was expecting tbh, that’s good at least, means they’re taking their time with things.
Deidalius said:
Wait, was Yukari vs Hoopa a MU that exists? I thought her Pokemon MU was Giratina
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(Don't mind my excuse to show my epic old TN for this MU)
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Nobody knows why she’s thrown against Giratina because there’s literally no connections at all. I never see it seriously suggested but every now and again I see something for it and I just don’t understand. Hoopa at least has like, two connections at the least. This is coming from someone who holds Giratina as probably his favorite Pokémon and Gen 4 as my favorite Gen, this matchup kinda blows lol.

Yukari vs Pokémon MUs are just kind of doomed to be bad and fail because of Pokémon’s nature I guess. It’s really just Yukari vs Altair or bust when it comes to her ig.
 
Jasonsith said:
TBH who would not accuse Astro Plan for copying designs of Macross? Just look at the mecha design.
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Red vs Blue.
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But yeah the story actually says Astro Plan has its own elements (or should I say, homages from many other robot anime).
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For some, they have decent stories but they have to use other sprites to visualize their stories.
Jasonsith said:
Well considering Genshin Impact is being considered by many as a Legend of Zelda ripoff and the profiles they are standing here, I think the profile quality itself is what matters whether profiles exist here.
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While GI is well-known in the west and the achievement has been politicized. And it seems that works in the 2010s would receive more attention here (look at this). For example, even the locals say that they have nearly forgot Astro Plan. Thank you for your commission.

Digging obscure verses is a non-ending way.
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(At least Astro Plan is an anime franchised, developed, published and aired. Many Chinese novels are published by novel websites and are poorly commissioned. Fate series and 07th Expansion and Touhou Project are the top three pillar "doujin" works in Japan)
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And I heard that season 2 of Astro Plan is cancelled for unknown reason. At least we can just focus on the 26 episodes to build a profile.
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
Sure, Touhou is lax in how it treats its stories and doesn’t exactly have deep character development (most characters appear at the end of their character arcs as is, with the exception of Reimu, Marisa, Cirno, Kasen, Kosuzu, The Komeijis, and a few others who have actual arcs/development), but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re lacking in story/character at all. The characters’ backstories usually paint a relatively vivid picture and most Touhou content is very slice of life esque with a lot of worldbuilding, character interactions and character building, and utilizes a lot of subtext which gives most characters a lot of personality to actually work with.
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Touhou has many ladies and it says all.
 
Hunterzillas said:
I really don't understand the dislike for Sakuya vs Hit.

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Like, are we trying to find some deep, thematic opponent for Sakuya to go against? From what I've seen so far, Touhou is pretty lax in terms of story and character conflict, so I don't think you're going to find someone for Sakuya to bounce off of personality wise. Likewise goes for Hit, unless his universe is in danger or something like that. This match is just an excuse to watch two time-stoppers do some cool shit, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

Plus, have you guys played FighterZ? Hit's moveset is sick as ****. I want to see a spot where they both keep trying to appear behind the other's back and pull a "nothing personal, kid" move, only for the other to appear behind their back and try the same thing.

EDIT* Um, if I'm wrong in my reading of Touhou, feel free to call me a faker.
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Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
Sure, Touhou is lax in how it treats its stories and doesn’t exactly have deep character development (most characters appear at the end of their character arcs as is, with the exception of Reimu, Marisa, Cirno, Kasen, Kosuzu, The Komeijis, and a few others who have actual arcs/development), but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re lacking in story/character at all. The characters’ backstories usually paint a relatively vivid picture and most Touhou content is very slice of life esque with a lot of worldbuilding, character interactions and character building, and utilizes a lot of subtext which gives most characters a lot of personality to actually work with.

The issue most ppl have with the matchup to my understanding is just that it’s very surface level and doesn’t really touch in anything for either character in terms of their stories or characters behind cold & cool cosmic time stoppers. I think it’s a rather boring MU on that front.

Though overtime I’ve become more neutral on the MU purely because it’s a dragon ball character, the fight would go hard and you can always have good fight animation potential when it comes to a DB character, and Sakuya has a pretty strong visual identity, what with the gothic crimson tones she’s usually surrounded by, that could be baked into the fight to give a distinct visual identity. Plus a Sakuya dub would have awesome reactions.

Ultimately it’s just a surface level MU that only really survives / does well because it’s Hit’s only notable MU as of now, Sakuya has TOO MANY MUs to choose from, and it would translate to a hype animation. I think people are looking for something that works thematically & animation wise like KaSonic, MarisaYuffie, RemiRachel, FlanMarx, YukariAltair, etc.
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to me its like this
its understandable to want more for ya character then just be in a MU that just reduced them to X and its fair to mention Hit and Sakuya ain't anything to flex with in that department

being said this Mu it really just click to me given the set up of an alien hitman going down to some mansion. to try and kill some maid sound lke something AT would write and Touhou and i like Dragon Ball facing various new franchises then just being stuck fighting Marvel and Dc for the most part



this fanmade video of it got me liking this Mu and shows how you can make it work
 
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
From his Ultimate Armor, Luna-Miracle/Strong-Corona, to Shining Form
Later on he managed to stacked Ultimate Armor to his Shining Form
Recent installment he has Wild Burst that can be used for instinctive reaction, and of course stacked it with Ultimate Shining Form
Zero Beyond is debatable since iirc after the event of Geed, he lost the access to use this form, tho in UGF: New Gen Heroes he managed to access it but that's more of the fact that it was being made by Geed, Ginga, Victory, X, and Orb, and said that form is Glitter Zero Beyond
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i see im planning another art piece between him and gohan but this time around the same size
Deidalius said:
That being said, what are the Sakuya MUs? All the ones I know (And even acknowledge as a MU) are DIO (I will cry and scream furiously if he fights Sakuya in DB), Homura, Hit and Pucci. Are there even other decent Sakuya MUs?
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there some iirc but they suffer from a bad case of obscurity. so ya kinda stuck with
Dio(he ain't coming back and HA Dio probably fighitng MCU what if Ultron)
Homura(who has better at this point and the Mu fell off)
Hit(not a big DB character in comparison to the big name reps left)
Pucci(who has various options as well)
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
That’s about what I was expecting tbh, that’s good at least, means they’re taking their time with things.

Nobody knows why she’s thrown against Giratina because there’s literally no connections at all. I never see it seriously suggested but every now and again I see something for it and I just don’t understand. Hoopa at least has like, two connections at the least. This is coming from someone who holds Giratina as probably his favorite Pokémon and Gen 4 as my favorite Gen, this matchup kinda blows lol.

Yukari vs Pokémon MUs are just kind of doomed to be bad and fail because of Pokémon’s nature I guess. It’s really just Yukari vs Altair or bust when it comes to her ig.
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When i make that thread about Yukari vs Wonder Guardian Kamen Rider Saber, you're gonna like it
Next step: Touma/Saber vs Yukari a popular alternative MU outside from this wiki
 
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