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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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what are the connections apart that they are red and die donut style
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Because he's ******* Doomguy
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The good part is that he stomps even Samus Aran, when Samus herself stomps most of her good matchups except for her best one - vs Mega Man X.
And do not throw poor Mega Man X against KOS-MOS as yet another generic robot protagonists Death Battle.
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Not really much
Smartest of their respective groups? I guess
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Doesnt Kirito have better matches?
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Roxas comes to mind because of the whole dual-wielding getup
I'd also bring Shulk back up because I'm biased.
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Roxas is a KH character right?
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Despite the wife of Naruto vs wife of Ichigo obvious close connections?
New Era Hinata can be hard to determine her power though.
Yeah. And how does Roxas go against... Dark Samus?
If you really think about it, all Kirito, Shiroe and Maple are "normal humans" playing VR MMO games, and almost all their fancy crazy feats happen in the game world.
Most of his more requested matchups (like against Ulrich, Neo, Guts, Roxas, Shulk etc) only focus on fighting against the online avatar. Like if some player is controlling some characters to fight against Kirito or what? This elements seem to have the correct dragged out or missing altogether.
Which is why I say they are sort of inferior to my suggested matchups if you think deep about it. Just, Shiroe and Maple are way less heard in the US I presume.
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Samus VS Mega Man is a very popular one iirc.
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We don't need anymore Bleach vs Naruto MU after Madara vs Aizen and neither of those two are interesting to waste a DB episode on
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I would want yhwach vs vitiate/valkorian
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Pretty sure Vitiate ******* shit stomps
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perhaps ap wise (though that is debatable). I dont really vitiate being mftl at all.
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Passive 10 quadrillion mindscrew
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better win con sure. though it doesnt seem to be passive most of the time
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Would be a great match-up if not for the fact that Travis has WAY better speed feats. It'd still be cool to see though.
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almigth say no and also by that logic he get his soul destroyend and dont come with DB dont buy that because DB also dont buy passive mindhax for Starwars
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Almighty needs to see it to null it, Yhwach is mindscrewed before he can use the null.
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pretty sure that is a passive but IDK i dont see bleach i am just saying
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Almighty has a few passives, the power null isn't one of them
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yes but funny soul crush still exists
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Ben talks about how they do want to have Omniman in DB at some point, and notes that while Homelander is thematic, it is a horrendous stomp. He also says he is considering a Dragon ball character, and lists off specifically Saiyan Saga Vegeta and Bardock as possibilities.
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Not passive, Mindscrew happens before then
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Been a while since I've done this, but DB dropped the Doom vs Lex, Heihachi vs Geese, and Blake vs Mikasa QnA in the same stream, so I'll transcribe it like I usually do:
Doom vs Lex:
How come in past DB episodes Doom didn't use his mind control and Lex didn't use his Everyman Project?
According to Ben, sometimes the info doesn't ultimately matter, it doesn't fit the argument, it wouldn't work in the animation, or it didn't exist at the time of the original episode (They've also forgotten the research periods for most of the past episodes at this point and start from scratch for every episode). They're aware of the past episodes' lower research quality, they've worked to improve it since then.
Luis, did you do anything specific to differentiate the animation from Lex and Doom's previous fights or was that not an issue?
Luis: Not really an issue, we included new stuff and the sprite style changed up the shot structure for it.
Why didn't Lex use the Anti-Life Equation?
According to Ben, Lex has never owned it, except for the very end of the Justice League cartoon, so he doesn't really have it in his arsenal. They debated heavily on the Everyman Project's inclusion for similar reasons since it was from one arc.
Heihachi vs Geese:
Since Akuma and Geese both appeared in Tekken 7, did that affect the analysis by allowing them both to scale?
They brought it up in Ryu vs Jin, but they can't say SF Akuma is the same as Tekken Akuma. Technically, Heihachi could scale to Tekkuma, but they can only take stuff from Tekken 7. That instance falls outside of their composite policy due to the vast differences in character and power. Same thing goes for the Tekken Geese.
Blake vs Mikasa:
Was Blake vs Mikasa written before or after the AoT manga finished?
Before. They did reference the ending in the feats tab and mentioned "spoilers" in a tab at the beginning of Mikasa's section. They also believed that there wouldn't be any crazy additions that would massively power up Mikasa in the last few chapters (which is true).
Would you consider using RWBY characters that aren't from the main 4?
Yes. They immediately brought up Sun, Jaune, and Penny.
Why was Blake's blood purple?
It was a reference to when Yang lost her arm; you don't see blood, you just see yellow particles in place of it. They did something similar for Blake.
Why did you do Blake vs Mikasa? It's clearly a one-sided stomp and isn't fair. Something something, sucking off Rooster Teeth (that wasn't in the question)
Mikasa is far from a normal human and it's been super highly requested for a while. Blame the normies who don't know character's stats.
Couldn't Mikasa win by using the power of a Titan?
They explained that in a tab, there isn't clear evidence that she has the power of one and it seems that Eren was using shock tactics when he said that to her.
Other:
Why don't you do more battle royales with characters that have been requested to fight each other a lot?
Because that requires a lot more effort and trying to decide a true victor becomes more contrived.
Bring back Torrian!
He's busy. He did animate for Blake vs Mikasa, however.
Doom vs Lex:
How come in past DB episodes Doom didn't use his mind control and Lex didn't use his Everyman Project?
According to Ben, sometimes the info doesn't ultimately matter, it doesn't fit the argument, it wouldn't work in the animation, or it didn't exist at the time of the original episode (They've also forgotten the research periods for most of the past episodes at this point and start from scratch for every episode). They're aware of the past episodes' lower research quality, they've worked to improve it since then.
Luis, did you do anything specific to differentiate the animation from Lex and Doom's previous fights or was that not an issue?
Luis: Not really an issue, we included new stuff and the sprite style changed up the shot structure for it.
Why didn't Lex use the Anti-Life Equation?
According to Ben, Lex has never owned it, except for the very end of the Justice League cartoon, so he doesn't really have it in his arsenal. They debated heavily on the Everyman Project's inclusion for similar reasons since it was from one arc.
Heihachi vs Geese:
Since Akuma and Geese both appeared in Tekken 7, did that affect the analysis by allowing them both to scale?
They brought it up in Ryu vs Jin, but they can't say SF Akuma is the same as Tekken Akuma. Technically, Heihachi could scale to Tekkuma, but they can only take stuff from Tekken 7. That instance falls outside of their composite policy due to the vast differences in character and power. Same thing goes for the Tekken Geese.
Blake vs Mikasa:
Was Blake vs Mikasa written before or after the AoT manga finished?
Before. They did reference the ending in the feats tab and mentioned "spoilers" in a tab at the beginning of Mikasa's section. They also believed that there wouldn't be any crazy additions that would massively power up Mikasa in the last few chapters (which is true).
Would you consider using RWBY characters that aren't from the main 4?
Yes. They immediately brought up Sun, Jaune, and Penny.
Why was Blake's blood purple?
It was a reference to when Yang lost her arm; you don't see blood, you just see yellow particles in place of it. They did something similar for Blake.
Why did you do Blake vs Mikasa? It's clearly a one-sided stomp and isn't fair. Something something, sucking off Rooster Teeth (that wasn't in the question)
Mikasa is far from a normal human and it's been super highly requested for a while. Blame the normies who don't know character's stats.
Couldn't Mikasa win by using the power of a Titan?
They explained that in a tab, there isn't clear evidence that she has the power of one and it seems that Eren was using shock tactics when he said that to her.
Other:
Why don't you do more battle royales with characters that have been requested to fight each other a lot?
Because that requires a lot more effort and trying to decide a true victor becomes more contrived.
Bring back Torrian!
He's busy. He did animate for Blake vs Mikasa, however.
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They previously stated in AS vs WW DB cast that they're want to use more specific versions of the character (and used Kid Goku as example). So maybe we will see something like this.
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Yhwach vs medaka
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why inst passive and why the mindscrew happens before that
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jorge joestar kars is more thematic but isnt animated and never will because if it did david animations animators would have a intersting time animating that
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Well, they did use Archie Sonic. They could just use Part 2 footage for Kars' quote.
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I’m not sure about the scaling for Comics Omni-Man, but I imagine Bardock would be a lot more fair then Saiyan Saga Vegeta for the Great Ape 10x Boost alone (Which DB has explicitly used Multipliers)
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yes but
1. jorge joestar kars is to weird for the normies
2. the strongest ability of kars arent animated
3.jorge joestar is pretty dark appart from vs communities and it doesnt help that medaka is not that popular
4. in what style is animated sprites no because it cant express the bullshit of the ending parts of the animation when they are trowing a fuckton of bullshit at each other
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Nah
Archie could easily work given it still Sonic and most of his shit was In Graphic Novels to understand and see
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- He's Archie Sonic, but Kars
- Yes they are, it's just Kars isn't the one that uses them
- It's also infamous in the JoJo community
- They did Wally West vs Archie Sonic
People know about Kars, and most of Kars' abilities are just other people's abilities. People know how most of his stands work, and the ones where they wouldn't are non-factors (Like Das Boot).
Sure, some of Kars' stands are changed, but they're changed in easy to understand ways (Like how The World Ultimate is The World but it can stop time for an hour)
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The soul crush is not passive because it hasnt proven to be passive, Vitiate's mindscrew has proven to be passive, Vitiate exists and wins
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It's still Flash vs Sonic any normies know who they are
Not really most of Kars Abilities are in the novel and the crew won't be able to get an idea of how to transfer his abilities to Animated Format plus again Novel Kars is only Known in the Vs community not overall
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