Dceu Superman resistance to mind fuckery

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Zack synder states the reason why Clark becomes susceptible to the ALE is because darkseid bodied Lois, which would imply him being able to resist it under normal circumstances

“Or if someone lost someone close to them they might become Susceptible to a certain Equation and blame a certain Bat for events that a too soon Bruce would know nothing about.”
https://www.forsnydercut.com/announ...-why-superman-is-evil-in-knightmare-sequence/

So Clark should probably get resistance to mind and empathetic manipulation

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I been arguing this off site since the SnyderCut came out, agree.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That’s one

 

[TypeOU]

pretty sure this implies a limit to the DCEU anti life equation, not the other way around
also do we even take word of gods that aren't supported by anything in the movie?

 

[Qawsedf234]

also do we even take word of gods that aren't supported by anything in the movie?

Yeah I'm super iffy on this. Snyder's WoG is also incredibly random and high bally at times, with his Tier 5 Doomsday/Steppenwolf statement.

DCEU anti life equation, not the other way around

It depends. Its resistance if the Anti-Life Equation doesn't have some weirdly specific weakness like, idk, being a good person. If its just "Has strong will" then it counts as a resistance feat.

 

[TypeOU]

It depends. Its resistance if the Anti-Life Equation doesn't have some weirdly specific weakness like, idk, being a good person. If its just "Has strong will" then it counts as a resistance feat.

The statement applies to everyone, not just superman. Everyone would need something on lois's death level to be affected. Unless I'm misreading it.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

pretty sure this implies a limit to the DCEU anti life equation, not the other way around
also do we even take word of gods that aren't supported by anything in the movie?

How? The anti life has the power to control the life of just about anyone in the multivrese. This should be a feat for Clark

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

The statement applies to everyone, not just superman. Everyone would need something on lois's death level to be affected. Unless I'm misreading it.

Um no it doesn’t, synder is specifically talking about supes

Yeah I'm super iffy on this. Snyder's WoG is also incredibly random and high bally at times, with his Tier 5 Doomsday/Steppenwolf statement.

It depends. Its resistance if the Anti-Life Equation doesn't have some weirdly specific weakness like, idk, being a good person. If its just "Has strong will" then it counts as a resistance feat.

Different doomsday, what about steppenwolf?

 

[Qawsedf234]

what about steppenwolf?

Its his quote that Steppenwolf fought the original Doomsday who's the one that supposedly cracked the moon.

Anyways I'm just not for this. Its a statement in regards to something that was never mind, was still in the planning stage and something that I'm rather confident WB isn't going to do.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

It is isn’t referring to just anyone though. The quote was taken from a response from Zack that was explaining why Superman was evil in the Knightmare scene. The first “someone” specifically refers to Supes while the “someone close to them” is specifically Lois. Just by reading the rest of the quote will clue you into it being specifically about Clark as a random person suffering an equivalent loss to Clark won’t just suddenly blame Batman like how Knightmare Supes was bloodlusted for Batman.

Let’s not forget how much of a chad Snyder has Superman set up as in his movies. Ignoring all the comparisons of Supes to god and Jesus, Snyder made Clark so powerful by BvS that the only way to kill him was to have him massively hold back against Batman to get Krypto-gassed, still be able to somewhat fight baby Doomsday > Zod, die to a nuke, come back to life where he is still be able to almost match a DD far stronger than before a while still massively nerfed from the lingering kryptonite, can still use his powers despite holding a kryptonite spear, kill DD with a 7 inch hole through where his heart was, and then come back to life once more where he treats everything else in the SnyderCut like ants underfoot. Like …. the very sound of him dying was the only reason the Mother Boxes even had the balls to wake up from their nap and call Steppenwolf.

This is definitely a feat for Supes.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Its his quote that Steppenwolf fought the original Doomsday who's the one that supposedly cracked the moon.

Anyways I'm just not for this. Its a statement in regards to something that was never mind, was still in the planning stage and something that I'm rather confident WB isn't going to do.

That …… doesn’t matter? We see the very scene that Zack is talking about in the SnyderCut and that it happens.

 

[Qawsedf234]

That …… doesn’t matter

It does. We didn't take the 5-B statement they gave Captain Marvel before her movie came out and we're not doing it for Superman. It's a basic plot element with no story backing. There's nothing to rate.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Its his quote that Steppenwolf fought the original Doomsday who's the one that supposedly cracked the moon.

Anyways I'm just not for this. Its a statement in regards to something that was never mind, was still in the planning stage and something that I'm rather confident WB isn't going to do.

You mean when it just said wolf “survived” an encounter with doomsday? That doesn’t necessarily means he boxed with him.

um no it was, synder already had storyboards for justice league 2-3 and a 5 movie arc planned for Clark. This was very much planned. I don’t see how wb not wanting to continue the synderverse is relevant here in anyway shape or form

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

It does. We didn't take the 5-B statement they gave Captain Marvel before her movie came out and we're not doing it for Superman. It's a basic plot element with no story backing. There's nothing to rate.

You mean when brie Larson said she can move planets? That’s not the same as WoG

 

[Qawsedf234]

This was very much planned

Planned but never happened. So it's not something able to be noted in my view.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Planned but never happened. So it's not something able to be noted in my view.

It literally happened in the nightmare timeline

 

[AnonymousBlank]

It does. We didn't take the 5-B statement they gave Captain Marvel before her movie came out and we're not doing it for Superman. It's a basic plot element with no story backing. There's nothing to rate.

No. No it doesn’t. We see it happen on screen. Zack’s words are literally an explanation of what we see since the movie itself wasn’t able to give us exposition.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Anyone else want to throw in there hat?

 

[Hellbeast]

I kinda dislike this

We know unto nothing about the Anti-Life beyond what it can do. We have no idea if breaking someone is necessary for the Equation to work or even how it can infect everyone in the Multiverse

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I kinda dislike this

We know unto nothing about the Anti-Life beyond what it can do. We have no idea if breaking someone is necessary for the Equation to work or even how it can infect everyone in the Multiverse

It would kinda be a bit inconvenient for the cosmic mguffin needing a broken person in order to take affect. Especially since it’s supposed to be the key to taking over the multivrese

 

[Qawsedf234]

It would kinda be a bit inconvenient

We don't know how it works, for all we know it's those flaws that it targets and not having them allows you to resist the Anti-Life equation.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

We don't know how it works, for all we know it's those flaws that it targets and not having them allows you to resist the Anti-Life equation.

I kinda doubt a multivreseal super weapon would need to exploit those flaws to take affect

 

[Qawsedf234]

I kinda doubt a multivreseal super weapon

Why? Everyone has doubt or negative thoughts, Superman being immune to it could be his paragon nature. The issue is we don't know what it does or how it works, so using it as a justification for mind resistance is incredibly shaky.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Why? Everyone has doubt or negative thoughts, Superman being immune to it could be his paragon nature. The issue is we don't know what it does or how it works, so using it as a justification for mind resistance is incredibly shaky.

Because it’s a massive endgame weapon. Dceu has never implied the existence of paragons so I doubt it. It’s literally stated what it dose

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I don’t see how seeing as it “shaky” when it’s literally stated to control people

 

[Qawsedf234]

I don’t see how seeing as it “shaky” when it’s literally stated to control people

But it doesn't say how it controls people

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

But it doesn't say how it controls people

I don’t see why that’s relevant when it’s implied Clark would resist it under normal circumstances

 

[Hellbeast]

It would kinda be a bit inconvenient for the cosmic mguffin needing a broken person in order to take affect.

It would be; much in the same way it’d be inconvenient if you needed to clench your first to use a cosmic macguffin

We just flat out don’t have information here

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Okay but why are you assuming that it needs this extra thing to work on people when it was never stated that it does, just that it was required for Superman?

We are told ALE can do X in SnyderCut and Zack says it doesn’t work on Supes unless Y happens.

That’s a pretty blatant resistance.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

It would be; much in the same way it’d be inconvenient if you needed to clench your first to use a cosmic macguffin

We just flat out don’t have information here

Not really when that’s all you need to do to wipe out half of the population of the universe(or snap)

yes we literally do

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[Lacku]

Never thought of this when watching the movie, agree for sure

 

[Hellbeast]

Not really when that’s all you need to do to wipe out half of the population of the universe(or snap)

It’s required tho since it’s a huge property of the theoretical weapon which we could not deduce solely from knowledge before it’s actual appearance

yes we literally do

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Literally all we know is that it controls minds under unquantifiable methods and timeframe

That’s it, no greater understanding of its properties or antifeats and it’s unlikely we ever will since the SnyderVerse is dead. Hell we don’t even have numbers for the DCEU or it’s greater Multiverse to even quantify the mind control and we see that people on Earth are unaffected (the Insurgence)

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Darkseid (DC Extended Universe)

Darkseid, born as Uxas, is the main antagonist of the DC Extended Universe, serving as an unseen antagonist in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and the overarching antagonist of the 2021 director's cut Zack Snyder's Justice League. Darkseid is an ancient and all-powerful cosmic warlord who...

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No weakness of the sort is stated on his profile, I think we should add it if there are doubts about it taking too long or something

 

[Vizer04]

I agree, it's pretty straightforward how ALE controls people, Superman resists it under normal circumstances. That's textbook resistance to mind control.

 

[Hellbeast]

Darkseid (DC Extended Universe)

Darkseid, born as Uxas, is the main antagonist of the DC Extended Universe, serving as an unseen antagonist in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and the overarching antagonist of the 2021 director's cut Zack Snyder's Justice League. Darkseid is an ancient and all-powerful cosmic warlord who...

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No weakness of the sort is stated on his profile, I think we should add it if there are doubts about it taking too long or something

Is the ALE even listed on his profile? If so that should be removed since we don’t have that info and agreed for the profile to cover what we see of Darkseid

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

It’s required tho since it’s a huge property of the theoretical weapon which we could not deduce solely from knowledge before it’s actual appearance

Literally all we know is that it controls minds under unquantifiable methods and timeframe

That’s it, no greater understanding of its properties or antifeats and it’s unlikely we ever will since the SnyderVerse is dead. Hell we don’t even have numbers for the DCEU or it’s greater Multiverse to even quantify the mind control and we see that people on Earth are unaffected (the Insurgence)

It kinda isn’t though when you just have to snap your fingers. Why do we need to deduce the property’s of a theoretical weapon when we’re at least given info on what it can do?

which would grant Clark mind resistance, it seems to work pretty instantaneously seeing as how darkseid used it on Clark

Why do we need greater understanding of it when we’re straight up told what it dose and that Clark can probably resist it’s affects. A multivrese consist of multiple universes so at bare minimum there are like two or three. I don’t exactly see how the resistance would be unaffected by it when we don’t even know if darksied even attempted to use it on them

 

[Bernkastelll]

Agreed, none of the disagreement looks good to me

this case is literally things like

''Her teeth are hurting because she has caries'', meaning that if SHE DIDN'T HAD CARIES, her teeths wouldn't be hurting

 

[Qawsedf234]

I guess generic mental resistance is fine to add then. Though I think there's nothing more to it at the moment besides that.

 

[Vizer04]

I guess generic mental resistance is fine to add then. Though I think there's nothing more to it at the moment besides that.

Resistance to Mind Manipulation with Multiversal range

 

[Qawsedf234]

Something like that. But Multiversal range also implies more than it does in my view. Though that could just be how people associate the term.

 

[Vizer04]

Multiversal range also implies more than it does in my view

No, it implies exactly what it does.