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Realistically, I would have wanted tier 0 to Alfred as he is God in the DC Universe, but we always can't get what we want.Disagree
I haven't read the whole thread, just OP, but seems agreeable.
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Realistically, I would have wanted tier 0 to Alfred as he is God in the DC Universe, but we always can't get what we want.Disagree
I haven't read the whole thread, just OP, but seems agreeable.
Stop it.BUMP
Spectre should get changed. He's blatantly used throughout DeMatteis' DC Stories.I've talked with @Antvasima and I decided to go along with changing the DeMatteis after careful consideration and with enough mod votes. So, I believe Pralaya's profile will be affected but let me know who else.
Which key because the Oversoul key should be removed. That's not his “full power” nor does it make sense. When you merge with God, you're individuality goes away thus he's not Spectre at that point. The Hal Jordan key may be a shout, but I don't know.Spectre should get changed. He's blatantly used throughout DeMatteis' DC Stories.
in future swamp thing will get new tier ? because god swamp thing was same level like pralaya or i could be wrongPralaya (DC Comics)
Pralaya is the Embodiment of Nothingness in DC Comics. Called "The Goddess of The Void", she is Non-Existence itself, the emptiness from which the entire Multiverse is born, and to which it always returns. She awakens from her slumber in Justice League Dark #37, almost immediately engulfing all...vsbattles.fandom.com
Pralaya changes are now done. In case, anyone is curious about her nature consider in vs scenario. Her avatar scales infinitely into High 1-A and her true form is the cosmological apex and the highest tier under 0.
The Avatar ? Yes, Her true form, no.in future swamp thing will get new tier ? because god swamp thing was same level like pralaya or i could be wrong
I'm unsure. I remember the Stranger and the Spectre fighting threatened all of creation, so it would just be his base key scaling to that.Which key because the Oversoul key should be removed. That's not his “full power” nor does it make sense. When you merge with God, you're individuality goes away thus he's not Spectre at that point. The Hal Jordan key may be a shout, but I don't know.
Swamp thing key was already removed years ago . He doesn't scale to Pralaya. He might get 1A from world tree and elemental realms idkin future swamp thing will get new tier ? because god swamp thing was same level like pralaya or i could be wrong
I'm looking for a profile that is cosmologically fixed or specific. Spectre and Stranger aren't really those.I'm unsure. I remember the Stranger and the Spectre fighting threatened all of creation, so it would just be his base key scaling to that.
Since they did play such a prominent role during the Doctor Fate series. I do think a key for them for DeMatteis would be sufficient. High 1-A due to them being the duality of everything.The spectre key is an outlier and unquantifiable.
Dr Fate should get high 1A rating from lords of orders and chaos?
Lord of orders and chaos are repeatedly shown to be high lvl beings and they made a cameo in sandman series
He’ll be High 1-A if this gets accepted. High 1-A+ is reserved for the Void. I dunno if he could even get type 1 High 1-A+.Lucifer be 1-A or H1-A+ in future?
Yeah.Since The Presence is tier 0, shouldn't omnipotence be added to his profile?
Can Omnipotence be added to his profile right now since he is tier 0 or I have to make a CRT first?Yeah.
I would have made a separate CRT for the powers and abilities for updated profiles, but, given the immensity of information from this thread. I would prefer that you make the CRT for those which takes the workload burden off me.Can Omnipotence be added to his profile right now since he is tier 0 or I have to make a CRT first?
I don't think a ctr is needed, since they are apparently inherent abilities of a tier 0.I would have made a separate CRT for the powers and abilities for updated profiles, but, given the immensity of information from this thread. I would prefer that you make the CRT for those which takes the workload burden off me.
So, yeah, I recommend making a CRT for it given that it's a 0 matter, which is a big topic on its own.
Due to the aforementioned factors, Tier 0 page formatting is quite different from that of lower-tiered profiles. In terms of Powers and Abilities, it should be structured as follows: "Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Omniscience (optional). Specific applications that have been demonstrated are: [Regular list of powers here]."
Usually + is only there for their tiering level explanation. Everything else is the same format.Additionally, a "inapplicable" note should be added for some categories. For True Form Pralaya, other categories need to be changed to "+".
Ultima did this for the range section for the Magician, but I'm not sure about the other sections.Usually + is only there for their tiering level explanation. Everything else is the same format.
God is neither A(neither dual), nor not A (not dual), nor both A and not A(not both opposite and not opposite), nor neither A(neither not opposite) nor not A(neither both not opposite). It is 0 so that's obvious. Beyond all dualities, division, and change. So no amount of combination of systems of dual(any or all) applies to it.Plurality: Characters existing in a nondual state regarding all dual systems within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them exist beyond the classical states of contradiction-allowing logic, instead operating on a many-valued logic system with at least five truth values. Such characters occupy a state where they are neither A, nor not A, nor both A and not A, nor neither A nor not A, instead existing in a state one can't describe using simple combinations of A and not A. This type of nonduality immunizes the user against all attacks and haxes that scale to fewer logical states than the user.
I could explain but the Divine Presence is 0, thus that's enough.Type 5: Causality Transcendence: Characters with this type of Acausality are completely independent of cause and effect, existing outside causality. Characters of this nature require evidence of being unable to be changed by any effect that relies on a system of causality, meaning that interacting with them normally is impossible.
Note that being utterly and totally immutable is something that, strictly speaking, is only guaranteed for characters with a Tier 0 rating, while lesser characters can only have likewise lesser forms of the ability by their own nature. They may, however, have a particularly potent form of immutability bestowed upon them by a Tier 0.
Note: Being completely independent of space, time, laws, or similar forces does not make you completely independent of causality without the relationship between these forces and causality being clarified, with it only being considered as evidence for an irregular relationship with causality otherwise.
^self explanatory.Note that being utterly and totally immutable is something that, strictly speaking, is only guaranteed for characters with a Tier 0 rating, while lesser characters can only have likewise lesser forms of the ability by their own nature. They may, however, have a particularly potent form of immutability bestowed upon them by a Tier 0.
You explained it very well.The Divine Presence should be Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence.
As well as two abilities:
Non-Duality(Type 3):
God is neither A(neither dual), nor not A (not dual), nor both A and not A(not both opposite and not opposite), nor neither A(neither not opposite) nor not A(neither both not opposite). It is 0 so that's obvious. Beyond all dualities, division, and change. So no amount of combination of systems of dual(any or all) applies to it.
Ascaulity(Type 5):
I could explain but the Divine Presence is 0, thus that's enough.
As for Pralaya:
She should get type 2 for her avatar as a projection of the Sea of Brahma, she still occupies every dual system while also being outside it all. She's a voidless being but a finite aspect of her truer self.
She should get type 3 for her true form being the infinite unmanifest nothingness. Transcending duality and Maya, Chaos, and Order, but this is where it gets tricky. The anti-feat for this is she's the non-existence to the existence, that's the dual system she's bound to but the very embodiment of duality; Chaos and Order and every dichotomy she either transcends lacks, isn't either not or not is. However, she's not bound to duality, it is just if one gets specific then the Sea of Brahma being nothing would be contracted by everything, but she transcends it, and duality as a concept and indefinite reality she isn't bound too nor relates to her at all.
So she can get type 2 or 3, but if the anti-feat is breaking it then tone down the tier for each part. Meaning, the avatar would get type 1 and true form type 2.
For Ascuality that's an easy type 5 due to this:
^self explanatory.
that sounds good to me. would a tier 0 characters be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent by definition?The Divine Presence should be Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence.
As well as two abilities:
Non-Duality(Type 3):
God is neither A(neither dual), nor not A (not dual), nor both A and not A(not both opposite and not opposite), nor neither A(neither not opposite) nor not A(neither both not opposite). It is 0 so that's obvious. Beyond all dualities, division, and change. So no amount of combination of systems of dual(any or all) applies to it.
Ascaulity(Type 5):
I could explain but the Divine Presence is 0, thus that's enough.
As for Pralaya:
She should get type 2 for her avatar as a projection of the Sea of Brahma, she still occupies every dual system while also being outside it all. She's a voidless being but a finite aspect of her truer self.
She should get type 3 for her true form being the infinite unmanifest nothingness. Transcending duality and Maya, Chaos, and Order, but this is where it gets tricky. The anti-feat for this is she's the non-existence to the existence, that's the dual system she's bound to but the very embodiment of duality; Chaos and Order and every dichotomy she either transcends lacks, isn't either not or not is. However, she's not bound to duality, it is just if one gets specific then the Sea of Brahma being nothing would be contracted by everything, but she transcends it, and duality as a concept and indefinite reality she isn't bound too nor relates to her at all.
So she can get type 2 or 3, but if the anti-feat is breaking it then tone down the tier for each part. Meaning, the avatar would get type 1 and true form type 2.
For Ascuality that's an easy type 5 due to this:
^self explanatory.
Yeah, they automatically get those abilities.that sounds good to me. would a tier 0 characters be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent by definition?
if that is indeed the case. Tier 0 makes sense to me. Also I'm glad that We get a Tier 0 The presence before GTA 6.Yeah, they automatically get those abilities.
It was shown in the Phatom Stranger that the Voice is an aspect of God. Plus, God using aspect is to interact with Creation because it’s purest form isn't interactable. Plus, the Dog has been called God as well. Using the terms interchangeably doesn't denote they're one and the same because you could call Jesus “God” in the sense even as a mortal he's “God” as oppose to his part in the Trinity as “God.”So I'm reading through all the DC JM DeMatteis comics to see if I find anything. And, well, they use The Voice and The Presence practically interchangeably, so they aren't aspects of the other, they seem to be one in the same.