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DC/Vertigo Cosmology Redo (Part 2 of 2)

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Pralaya (DC Comics)

Pralaya is the Embodiment of Nothingness in DC Comics. Called "The Goddess of The Void", she is Non-Existence itself, the emptiness from which the entire Multiverse is born, and to which it always returns. She awakens from her slumber in Justice League Dark #37, almost immediately engulfing all...
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Pralaya changes are now done. In case, anyone is curious about her nature consider in vs scenario. Her avatar scales infinitely into High 1-A and her true form is the cosmological apex and the highest tier under 0.
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Spectre should get changed. He's blatantly used throughout DeMatteis' DC Stories.
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Which key because the Oversoul key should be removed. That's not his “full power” nor does it make sense. When you merge with God, you're individuality goes away thus he's not Spectre at that point. The Hal Jordan key may be a shout, but I don't know.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
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Pralaya (DC Comics)

Pralaya is the Embodiment of Nothingness in DC Comics. Called "The Goddess of The Void", she is Non-Existence itself, the emptiness from which the entire Multiverse is born, and to which it always returns. She awakens from her slumber in Justice League Dark #37, almost immediately engulfing all...
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Pralaya changes are now done. In case, anyone is curious about her nature consider in vs scenario. Her avatar scales infinitely into High 1-A and her true form is the cosmological apex and the highest tier under 0.
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in future swamp thing will get new tier ? because god swamp thing was same level like pralaya or i could be wrong
 
Dreamer23421 said:
in future swamp thing will get new tier ? because god swamp thing was same level like pralaya or i could be wrong
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The Avatar ? Yes, Her true form, no.
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
Which key because the Oversoul key should be removed. That's not his “full power” nor does it make sense. When you merge with God, you're individuality goes away thus he's not Spectre at that point. The Hal Jordan key may be a shout, but I don't know.
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I'm unsure. I remember the Stranger and the Spectre fighting threatened all of creation, so it would just be his base key scaling to that.
 
The spectre key is an outlier and unquantifiable.

Dr Fate should get high 1A rating from lords of orders and chaos?

Lord of orders and chaos are repeatedly shown to be high lvl beings and they made a cameo in sandman series
 
Dreamer23421 said:
in future swamp thing will get new tier ? because god swamp thing was same level like pralaya or i could be wrong
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Swamp thing key was already removed years ago . He doesn't scale to Pralaya. He might get 1A from world tree and elemental realms idk
 
AndrewBennet said:
The spectre key is an outlier and unquantifiable.

Dr Fate should get high 1A rating from lords of orders and chaos?

Lord of orders and chaos are repeatedly shown to be high lvl beings and they made a cameo in sandman series
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Since they did play such a prominent role during the Doctor Fate series. I do think a key for them for DeMatteis would be sufficient. High 1-A due to them being the duality of everything.
 
VIZION99 said:
Can Omnipotence be added to his profile right now since he is tier 0 or I have to make a CRT first?
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I would have made a separate CRT for the powers and abilities for updated profiles, but, given the immensity of information from this thread. I would prefer that you make the CRT for those which takes the workload burden off me.

So, yeah, I recommend making a CRT for it given that it's a 0 matter, which is a big topic on its own.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
I would have made a separate CRT for the powers and abilities for updated profiles, but, given the immensity of information from this thread. I would prefer that you make the CRT for those which takes the workload burden off me.

So, yeah, I recommend making a CRT for it given that it's a 0 matter, which is a big topic on its own.
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I don't think a ctr is needed, since they are apparently inherent abilities of a tier 0.

from the omnipotence page:
Due to the aforementioned factors, Tier 0 page formatting is quite different from that of lower-tiered profiles. In terms of Powers and Abilities, it should be structured as follows: "Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Omniscience (optional). Specific applications that have been demonstrated are: [Regular list of powers here]."
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Yeah you shouldn't need a CRT for something that's literally standard procedure for Tier 0 profiles in the new System. We just need to get a person to unlock the profile (if locked), or someone make the changes (if it's not locked)
 
Additionally, a "inapplicable" note should be added for some categories. For True Form Pralaya, other categories need to be changed to "+".
 
The Divine Presence should be Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence.

As well as two abilities:

Non-Duality(Type 3):
Plurality: Characters existing in a nondual state regarding all dual systems within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them exist beyond the classical states of contradiction-allowing logic, instead operating on a many-valued logic system with at least five truth values. Such characters occupy a state where they are neither A, nor not A, nor both A and not A, nor neither A nor not A, instead existing in a state one can't describe using simple combinations of A and not A. This type of nonduality immunizes the user against all attacks and haxes that scale to fewer logical states than the user.
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God is neither A(neither dual), nor not A (not dual), nor both A and not A(not both opposite and not opposite), nor neither A(neither not opposite) nor not A(neither both not opposite). It is 0 so that's obvious. Beyond all dualities, division, and change. So no amount of combination of systems of dual(any or all) applies to it.

Ascaulity(Type 5):
Type 5: Causality Transcendence: Characters with this type of Acausality are completely independent of cause and effect, existing outside causality. Characters of this nature require evidence of being unable to be changed by any effect that relies on a system of causality, meaning that interacting with them normally is impossible.

Note that being utterly and totally immutable is something that, strictly speaking, is only guaranteed for characters with a Tier 0 rating, while lesser characters can only have likewise lesser forms of the ability by their own nature. They may, however, have a particularly potent form of immutability bestowed upon them by a Tier 0.

Note: Being completely independent of space, time, laws, or similar forces does not make you completely independent of causality without the relationship between these forces and causality being clarified, with it only being considered as evidence for an irregular relationship with causality otherwise.
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I could explain but the Divine Presence is 0, thus that's enough.

As for Pralaya:

She should get type 2 for her avatar as a projection of the Sea of Brahma, she still occupies every dual system while also being outside it all. She's a voidless being but a finite aspect of her truer self.

She should get type 3 for her true form being the infinite unmanifest nothingness. Transcending duality and Maya, Chaos, and Order, but this is where it gets tricky. The anti-feat for this is she's the non-existence to the existence, that's the dual system she's bound to but the very embodiment of duality; Chaos and Order and every dichotomy she either transcends lacks, isn't either not or not is. However, she's not bound to duality, it is just if one gets specific then the Sea of Brahma being nothing would be contracted by everything, but she transcends it, and duality as a concept and indefinite reality she isn't bound too nor relates to her at all.

So she can get type 2 or 3, but if the anti-feat is breaking it then tone down the tier for each part. Meaning, the avatar would get type 1 and true form type 2.

For Ascuality that's an easy type 5 due to this:
Note that being utterly and totally immutable is something that, strictly speaking, is only guaranteed for characters with a Tier 0 rating, while lesser characters can only have likewise lesser forms of the ability by their own nature. They may, however, have a particularly potent form of immutability bestowed upon them by a Tier 0.
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^self explanatory.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
The Divine Presence should be Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence.

As well as two abilities:

Non-Duality(Type 3):

God is neither A(neither dual), nor not A (not dual), nor both A and not A(not both opposite and not opposite), nor neither A(neither not opposite) nor not A(neither both not opposite). It is 0 so that's obvious. Beyond all dualities, division, and change. So no amount of combination of systems of dual(any or all) applies to it.

Ascaulity(Type 5):

I could explain but the Divine Presence is 0, thus that's enough.

As for Pralaya:

She should get type 2 for her avatar as a projection of the Sea of Brahma, she still occupies every dual system while also being outside it all. She's a voidless being but a finite aspect of her truer self.

She should get type 3 for her true form being the infinite unmanifest nothingness. Transcending duality and Maya, Chaos, and Order, but this is where it gets tricky. The anti-feat for this is she's the non-existence to the existence, that's the dual system she's bound to but the very embodiment of duality; Chaos and Order and every dichotomy she either transcends lacks, isn't either not or not is. However, she's not bound to duality, it is just if one gets specific then the Sea of Brahma being nothing would be contracted by everything, but she transcends it, and duality as a concept and indefinite reality she isn't bound too nor relates to her at all.

So she can get type 2 or 3, but if the anti-feat is breaking it then tone down the tier for each part. Meaning, the avatar would get type 1 and true form type 2.

For Ascuality that's an easy type 5 due to this:

^self explanatory.
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You explained it very well.
 
VeryGoofyToddler2 said:
The Divine Presence should be Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence.

As well as two abilities:

Non-Duality(Type 3):

God is neither A(neither dual), nor not A (not dual), nor both A and not A(not both opposite and not opposite), nor neither A(neither not opposite) nor not A(neither both not opposite). It is 0 so that's obvious. Beyond all dualities, division, and change. So no amount of combination of systems of dual(any or all) applies to it.

Ascaulity(Type 5):

I could explain but the Divine Presence is 0, thus that's enough.

As for Pralaya:

She should get type 2 for her avatar as a projection of the Sea of Brahma, she still occupies every dual system while also being outside it all. She's a voidless being but a finite aspect of her truer self.

She should get type 3 for her true form being the infinite unmanifest nothingness. Transcending duality and Maya, Chaos, and Order, but this is where it gets tricky. The anti-feat for this is she's the non-existence to the existence, that's the dual system she's bound to but the very embodiment of duality; Chaos and Order and every dichotomy she either transcends lacks, isn't either not or not is. However, she's not bound to duality, it is just if one gets specific then the Sea of Brahma being nothing would be contracted by everything, but she transcends it, and duality as a concept and indefinite reality she isn't bound too nor relates to her at all.

So she can get type 2 or 3, but if the anti-feat is breaking it then tone down the tier for each part. Meaning, the avatar would get type 1 and true form type 2.

For Ascuality that's an easy type 5 due to this:

^self explanatory.
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that sounds good to me. would a tier 0 characters be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent by definition?
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
So I'm reading through all the DC JM DeMatteis comics to see if I find anything. And, well, they use The Voice and The Presence practically interchangeably, so they aren't aspects of the other, they seem to be one in the same.
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It was shown in the Phatom Stranger that the Voice is an aspect of God. Plus, God using aspect is to interact with Creation because it’s purest form isn't interactable. Plus, the Dog has been called God as well. Using the terms interchangeably doesn't denote they're one and the same because you could call Jesus “God” in the sense even as a mortal he's “God” as oppose to his part in the Trinity as “God.”
 
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