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DC Profile Clean-up and Revisions Part 2

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@Magi "True Writer" is group mind representation of all writers creators and artists and anything else that goes into the story as shown in Swamp Thing in the context of a Parlement. "there could be an uncountable amount of them being considered higher than the other" Idk where you are getting this one from. There is one representation which can manifest in the story as numerous different writer avatars. The Presence is the god figure of the DC verse however him and the rest of it are all just fiction to former.

He's talking about how he was shaped not about how he appears to individual people. The tweet is more reffering to how humans see The Presence one way and other beings (aliens, gods ...etc) view him differently while being the same entity. But my main point was about limitations for example not knowing what happens outside of his plan which Delrium could exit if she wanted. He wouldn't qualify for Tier 0 which is being revised now I guess.

Edit: Ya revisions goin slow lol, This convo kinda off topic too so ill stop here.

- Responded to your follow-up post here to not waste thread space

Edit 2: A little more proof for my 2nd point of meta manipulation of the comic/story. X X X X

Existing outside The Presence's plan, beyond the garden which is beyond creation, is existing outside of his influence so not just knowlege. He himself is an aspect, a more prominent one, along with GEB, Source..etc. This also doesn't dismiss the fact he's still a character and is therefore subject to the canvas and is below the metaphysical facet from which the comic is drawn.
 
It's just that: nothing is actually being done to correct the actual profiles and nobody is even mentioning it. How are we gonna discuss tiering if a sizable chunk of them (maybe ever over HALF of them) don't even have proper formatting, like a description? Or an Intelligence section?
 
I by no means have intention to sound condescending, nor try to act as if I'm better than everyone here, but I feel as if I'm the only that's looking at the bigger picture here.
 
@Zensum

@Magi ""True Writer" is group mind representation of all writers creators and artists and anything else that goes into the story as shown in Swamp Thing in the context of a Parlement. "there could be an uncountable amount of them being considered higher than the other" Idk where you are getting this one from. There is one representation which can manifest in the story as numerous different writer avatars. The Presence is the god figure of the DC verse however him and the rest of it are all just fiction to former."

That was surprisingly meta but a very accurate explanation for only the 1st scan you provided and the explanation for the 2nd scan is speculative to jump into that conclusion.

"He's talking about how he was shaped not about how he appears to individual people. The tweet is more reffering to how humans see The Presence one way and other beings (aliens, gods ...etc) view him differently while being the same entity. But my main point was about limitations for example not knowing what happens outside of his plan which Delrium could exit if she wanted. He wouldn't qualify for Tier 0 which is being revised now I guess."

Yea, that is what I was explaining about earlier. Also yes, the rest of your explanation also explaining about what I already mentioned earlier. That's only an intelligence limitation which wouldn't be a problem anymore after the Tier 0 revision is over apparently and since that's the only reason besides that specific speculative scan I mentioned earlier, it wouldn't disprove the Presence being Tier 0 regardless.
 
@Crabwhale "It's just that: nothing is actually being done to correct the actual profiles and nobody is even mentioning it. How are we gonna discuss tiering if a sizable chunk of them (maybe ever over HALF of them) don't even have proper formatting, like a description? Or an Intelligence section?

I by no means have intention to sound condescending, nor try to act as if I'm better than everyone here, but I feel as if I'm the only that's looking at the bigger picture here."

Same here and no, you are not the only person who has realized this before. I noticed this problem quite a long time ago and I wasn't surprised for the lack of progress of improving the explanations, lack of proper formatting (especially for the tiers), and description as well.
 
Well, we need somebody experienced and knowledgeable to try to improve on the profiles. I could probably have done so if I wasn't usually very busy with other tasks, but unfortunately I am, and also have a bit of vacation time left.

Can you write a summary list of what needs to get done here?
 
Also, The Presence is most likely not being upgraded to tier 0. There is a difference between minor limitations and actually being created by the dreams of humanity, and being possible to damage for his archangels.
 
"There is a difference between minor limitations and actually being created by the dreams of humanity, and being possible to damage for his archangels."

@Antvasmia Being created by the dreams of humanity isn't a limitation, that black thing that was posing as the Presence was not him & was deconfirmed by reliable sources and Lucifer, and the Presence can't permanently die.

That's the last thing I'm going to mention that topic as its best not to continue any further on this thread.
 
I agree that we should drop this subject.
 
Well, there are explanations in the summary and notes sections.
 
@ Ant

With all due respect, I don't think looking up a Wikipedia or DC Wiki page for 5 minutes is something that requires a lot of experience. Literally even the most foreign person to the comic book genre could get a general gist of the character in question and write a short description of them.

Our descriptions are not necessarily required to go to much depth, from what I understand, just give a basic rundown of the character (especially for the more obscure/unpopular ones). But just leaving like that is completely unacceptable. And yet, 36 profiles are left without them entirely (oh yes, I counted).
 
Well, I am obviously fine with if our members wish to help with writing summaries for the characters. However, they must be accurate for each specific version of the characters (there are several continuities), and also have acceptable grammar.
 
Obviously. I'm not suggesting we allow substandard descriptions, that would just be replacing a problem with another, I'm simply saying that it isn't all that hard to write one, even for a character you know nothing about, as long as you do the barest minimum of research.
 
Also, while we're on the subject of troubleshooting, as I've mentioned multiple times in the past, the Intelligence sections of many-a-character are either left completely blank or are inaccurate/poorly worded.

In addition, the verse page itself is extremely nonsensical and incoherent. I do have an early draft that should hopefully make it far easier to navigate and more aesthetically pleasing, but I've yet to write it down. I would recommend keeping an eye on my Sandbox though.
 
Are there any experienced members who are willing to help out with the summary and intelligence sections?
 
It seems too speculative to assume this based on statements of a much greater number of universes than the regular 52. It seems like an inconsistency in the storytelling of other authors, or at least it would be too inconsistent to rate the Anti-Monitor, Monitor, and Barbatos as High 1-B.
 
Well, the Anti-Monitor was claimed to be able to blow up the dark multiverse.
 
Yes, but the same storyline strictly mentioned that the Forge of Barbatos simply created universes.
 
Personally, I believe that it is only the multiverse that floats in the dark multiverse and not the higher plane of existence. Despite the fact that the entire DC map has been shown in metal. So, i think the dark multiverse is 2-A and not High 1-B.
 
That makes better sense to me as well.
 
What a surprise, nobody is stepping up for actually correcting the profiles...
 
If this keeps up, I might just write descriptions for those 36 characters myself.
 
So, something I just realized: all the Green Lanterns should be upgraded to Multi-Stellar lifting strength, for John Stewart's creation of a solar system by moving around all the mass involved in said creation and GL constructs in general being able to physically restrain Superman (albeit usually briefly).
 
I suppose that multi-stellar lifting strength via energy constructs seems accurate.

Sorry about not being able to update the summaries on my own. I am extremely busy already.
 
I wasn't asking anything from you anyway Ant, you got enough on your plate. What I don't appreciate is literally no one but you and maybe one or two others heeding my words at all.

As I said, if nobody else volunteers, I might just have to handle this solo. It may take far longer, but hey, "be the change you want to see in the world" and all good shit.
 
A lot of DC profiles are admin locked, and there's only a few people really considered super knowledgeable on comics as is to evaluate stuff. So there's that.
 
Well, I can help with temporarily unlocking profiles.
 
@ Reppuzan

Sorry if I sounded intrusive. I was extremely tired and quite frankly, pissed off when I wrote that reply. Some of that is seeping into places I don't want it too. Obviously, if RL is an issue, then of course it takes priority.
 
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