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DC Profile Clean-up and Revisions Part 2

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In a later time, I suppose its possible for me to have some spare time to list some justifications for some of these characters.
 
Yeah, I highly doubt canon Superman would ever reach the level of Mister Mxyzptlk or Doctor Manhattan tier wise; that's like the equivalent of Batman kicking down the Spectre. It's probably just a conversation or fighting a nerfed/held back version. Similar to Darkseid's avatars or Mxy's 3 dimensional avatar.
 
Hmm. The problem is that I am not sure when we previously rated them as, or what calculation that we based it on, so we might have to find and calculate new feats to scale from.
 
Speaking of which, 8-A for the street level Marvel characters seems far too high, but that is a discussion for Sera's upcoming Marvel revision thread.
 
I'll leave respect threads out here for everyone to use for source & its listed in the order of how Antvasima listed the characters (I'm about to edit the names for each of them in a few mins), and I'll will start listing out the justifications for the Spectre first in a few hours:

Superman (Pre-Crisis): https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/6w6wwj/respect_superman_dc_precrisis/

Superman (Golden Age): https://www.reddit.com/comments/9pnn3r

Supergirl (Pre-Crisis): https://www.reddit.com/comments/2h7gyz

Superboy-Prime: https://www.reddit.com/comments/2q91mo

Sodam Yat (press CTRL + F): https://www.reddit.com/comments/350tf2

Krypto the Superdog: https://www.reddit.com/comments/3dqzh1

Darkseid (Pre-Flashpoint): https://www.reddit.com/comments/3fq2aj

Darkseid (New 52): https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/75djco/respect_darkseid_new_52/

Darkseid (Post-Crisis): https://redd.it/75djco

Karate Kid (Pre-Crisis): https://www.reddit.com/comments/6xp9bx

Anti-Monitor: https://www.reddit.com/comments/2wpad9

The Spectre: https://redd.it/4qgje7

I couldn't find original Superman but I did find Superman (Golden Age) and may found new things to be added for that key. I also didn't find the Monitor either.
 
I am afraid that we do not have the time to check through so many respect threads. Sorry.
 
That's okay, we don't have to do them right now but in a different time when everyone here has some spare time to work on the profiles.
 
Antvasima said:
Hmm. The problem is that I am not sure when we previously rated them as, or what calculation that we based it on, so we might have to find and calculate new feats to scale from.
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Would anybody be willing to help with this?
 
I like this review, but since I'm not able to keep up with this other thread https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/228518 Could you tell me if it has already been commented on the dimensional level of the DC, or the scaling of dimensionality? I want to debate this with you, because the justifications in the profiles do not make the least sense, and preferably with the most capable in the back of the DC.
 
TheSandman31 and Matthew Schroeder know DC Comics well. What profiles do you find confusing and in need of better scans with justifications?
 
Antvasima escreveu:
TheSandman31 e Matthew Schroeder conhecem bem a DC Comics. Quais perfis você acha confuso e precisa de varreduras melhores com justificativas?
Virtually all justifications are wrong with the tier system, these profiles are wrong:

The Thought Robot

Death of the Endless

Destiny of the Endless

Dream of the Endless

Desire of the Endless

Destruction of the Endless

Delirium of the Endless

Lucifer Morningstar (DC Comics)

Michael Demiurgos


What is wrong there is the scaling of dimensionality between the characters.

The scans that speak that DC has an infinite dimensional hilbert space. It seems that what was written in the Tiering System was ignored, and they just put it there because yes.
 
I will ask Matthew and Sandman31 for help.
 
I'm waiting... In fact, I already did a post proving that the scans placed to justify that level do not correspond with the objective. And Matthew already appeared there, but only commented and did not show the basis of your comment. If you can continue the discussion already of that post, thank you!

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2356235
 
There are perfectly direct statements of infinite dimensions in New 52 comics as well as the Lucifer scan, nevermind Mother Night being 1-A.
 
It will likely take quite a while for them to reply. Things tend to go slowly around here, due to that most people are busy IRL.
 
Both writers confirmed that Rama Kushna and Sena were talking about infinite higher-dimensions. Lucifer's infinitely-layered creation. Pralaya destroying all spatial and temporal dimensions... And there's a lot more.
 
Antvasima said:
It will likely take quite a while for them to reply. Things tend to go slowly around here, due to that most people are busy IRL.
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All right, things are moving. But I'm just waiting for Matthew to put his bases, for example those up and on the other thread.

If you need to bring another discussion here, you let me know. Why can not be discussing here and there the same subject, it is better everything in a discussion just not to pollute other posts.
 
Do we need to add some links to scans with evidence for the profiles, so our visitors do not end up doubtful and confused?
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
https://twitter.com/JMDeMatteis/status/829710923191504897
he confirmed Sena was talking about infinite higher dimensions, lower and everything in between
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Interesting, but he said that this is not official (https://twitter.com/JMDeMatteis/status/1044023793482715138), and that's just what he thinks. And in the comic, Sena calls universes of dimension.

I'll tell you what'--do as i ask of you...Be my guide as i explore this new universe-- And i'll consider leaving you in possession of all three legs. Excellent! now come, stargrave: a new dimension beckons...
~ Sena The Wanderer​
Did he really, understood what they were asking, after all comic does not hit the idea of dimensional space, but the universe and its size.

And please, keep arguing there on the other topic, I think it is misrepresenting here since it does not have the whole context of our discussion!
 
@Alonik A few things. Higher Dimensional Universes are still called as 'Universes'

De Metties has a habit of leaving it to reader's interpretation
 
Antvasima said:
Do we need to add some links to scans with evidence for the profiles, so our visitors do not end up doubtful and confused?
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Nah it's very obvious. I think this is the only time in years this happened.
 
Shivansh Garg said:
@Alonik A few things. Higher Dimensional Universes are still called as 'Universes'
De Metties has a habit of leaving it to reader's interpretation
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There it is, one universe can be larger than the other, but dimensionality is about axes, coordinates, that a space has. That's the basics of spatial geometry. Basically, it is to look for dimensionality only because it is written "dimension" even that means many things, and does not always refer to spatial geometry.
 
@Alonik From what I understand it's either geometric dimensions or parallel universes. The writer said it's about higher dimensions, so, it would be that only and not parallel Universes (which you were trying to prove)
 
I agree that we should drop this discussion and focus on other aspects of improving the DC Conics profiles.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
... But the writer confirmed it is spatial dimensions, what are we even debating at this point?
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Well okay, I will not ignore it, I'll assume it is. But is not this inconsistent with what DC accepts at its dimensional level? DC accepts the Grant Morrison multiverse map as its true cosmology. https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2014/08/18/the-map-of-the-multiverse Morrison made it clear in an interview that the whole Multiverse is based on the M-Theory, which has only 11 Dimensions.

I used a lot of this M-Theory, brane multiverse stuff in Final Crisis. Doug Mahnke did a great 3-D drawing of an inter-brane corridor in the Superman Beyond segments ― and it ties in fine with how I see things operating on recursive, isomorphic scales, or dimensions. I'm ready to accept that our entire lives are playing out across a 2-D film as thin as soap bubble skin, since ― as above, so below ― we already have our own examples of such branes in the form of movie and TV screens, the pages of books and of comics.
~ Grant Morriso​
https://www.wired.com/2009/03/mid-life-crisis/

And we can continually see that DC has only 11 Dimensions of the M-Theory. Have you read Captain Atom for example? Where does it say that the DC Universe is formed by superstring theory and has 11 dimensions?

You can see here, in these two scans.

Even assuming he refers to space (that is, if he understood what his fan ask), this is not accepted by the cosmology that the publisher works on. It's kind of really loose.

After all, all the others that you sent, I refuted in the other post.
 
Nothing of your claims confirms only 11 dimensions. Just because it uses some elements of M-Theory doesn't mean it only has 11 dimensions.

Seriously, drop this. DC is not getting their dimensions downgraded.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Nothing of your claims confirms only 11 dimensions. Just because it uses some elements of M-Theory doesn't mean it only has 11 dimensions.
Seriously, drop this. DC is not getting their dimensions downgraded.
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I sent a confirmation about how it worked, and the other the characters saying it has 11 dimensions. Did you even read what's on the scan?

In these two example scans, it says that they have:

This world we know, this universe, exists in one dimensions--One realm of time and space. There are others. Eleven in all. "Separated spartially, though not by your notice of distance. "imagine a loaf of bread-- A great whole--With each slice representing a different dimensions. "Everything the world at large can comprehend rests in one suce. My goal is to reach across to the other slices. To reachs the other dimensions. "And make the theorical tangible
It's only two scans, what's the difficulty of reading them?
 
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