DC Profile Clean-up and Revisions Part 2

[Alonik]

"There is no time here, and no space. So all things are layered on themselves endlessly, and perception twists around its own axis until it is blinded by fullness, crippled by infinite repetition."
Lucifer explains how he exists in a timeless, spatialess void and how he can see that things are layered infinitely from his perspective.

Lucifer explains that the concepts of time, space and infinity are simply extensions of mind and will, which he embodies as he is the Divine Will which shapes reality.

The concept of dimension was invented by the angels during creation.

In Lucifer #69, Elaine Belloc flies across all of creation to The Void, while enveloping creation. She was literally ascending from layer to layer of reality until reaching the void

Just another example of how infinite dimensions is consistent.

This first place is very wrong.

"There's no space and time here." If it does not have space, and time, it's not High 1-B, it's High 1-A.

High 1-B requires an infinite number of spaces.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Lucifer is 1-A, yes. So is a bunch of high-end characters such as Mother Night and Pralaya.

Seeing creation as made of infinite layers supports infinite dimensions.

 

[Alonik]

So all things are layered on themselves endlessly, and percepction Twists around its own axis until it is blinded by fullness, crippled by infinite repetition. To discipline your eyes and mind to what new perspective-- To see time where no time is-- Takes an effort of Will almost beyond imagining.

This sca You're talking about when something goes beyond the Multiverse, it reflects infinitely upon itself, and you'll be crippled by it. In that scan, where does it say it has infinite dimensions of space, if space does not exist here?

I hope you're not confusing Barrowjane with the Multiverse, after all, it's just a matter of the fact that there in the emptiness, the past and the present are meaningless. And that was events that would happen after Lucifer talked to the silk man, but since the past and the future had no meaning there, it was because of the timelessness of the emptiness, it was events that had already happened, it was happening, and it had not happened. (The famous paradox where time has no meaning).

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's just a matter of interpreting wat Lucifer is saying. Endlessly layered and infinite repetition refers to Lucifer's perception of reality. I don't get what your point with the crippling is.

 

[Alonik]

Because that's exactly what the scan says, it's about self-reflection, it's not just lucifer that have it. Anything that goes there will reflect on who she are, because there will only exist she there and emptiness. This speaks of Lucifer's willingness not to have to be crippled by reflecting on himself, nothing say about perception of infinite spaces.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yes. It's something gained from being in the void outside reality. You see the true nature of things. You don't really need to be explicit in saying infinite spaces because infinitely-layered creation fits the bill.

 

[Alonik]

Of course not, look at the scan, this refers precisely to the timelessness of emptiness. Lucifer was willing enough not to be crippled by the nature of timelessness, and to understand that past, present, and future had no meaning there. That's such great evidence that you can see almost every scene of this comic happening in that context.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Just pointing out that even if High 1-B is not legit (which is honestly fine by me), 1-B DC would still be valid, since it has Rama Kushna mentioning that there are Innumerable Higher-Dimensions, with a realm two levels above the Multiverse where Time and Gravity are tangible materials and not non-physical constants being just one of them.

Not to mention that the downgrade likely wouldn't affect the 1-As, since there is that scan which blatantly states the Angels created the concept of Dimension. Though you are free to prove me wrong

 

[Udlmaster]

Wouldn't be two levels above 1-B just be a Higher 1-B?

Also, would it be okay if I ran a few feats by you on your wall?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Yeah, I am saying that 1-B is still legit even if High 1-B isn't.

Sure that is, if you are talking to me

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

i don't even think the High 1-B is being downgraded, much less the 1-As.

 

[Alonik]

Just pointing out that even if High 1-B is not legit (which is honestly fine by me), 1-B DC would still be valid, since it has Rama Kushna mentioning that there are Innumerable Higher-Dimensions, with a realm two levels above the Multiverse where Time and Gravity are tangible materials and not non-physical constants being just one of them.
Not to mention that the downgrade likely wouldn't affect the 1-As, since there is that scan which blatantly states the Angels created the concept of Dimension. Though you are free to prove me wrong

I'm just talking about High 1-B, and I have not even started doing it yet. And on the dimensions that branch kushma, the writer stated that it is not an infinite number. It is unquestionable that it is higher dimensions, I made this clear in the other post and even here even though they were larger dimensions.

 

[Jared1111]

So outside of the High 1-B stuff, I was wondering why we don't have a profile on Parasite (DC Comics) we have one on smallville, but not the main DC or even animated one.

I feel like he's got a lot of potential for VS battles, and I got a couple of good animated comics feats where he absorbs Mxyzptlks powers ala Emperor Joker.

 

[AndrewBennet]

I will post my old stuff here regarding DC dimensions

Metron travelled through " 28 known dimnesions " for his quest for knowledge in Jack kirby fourth world storyline .

" A nature enough reaction ,your three dimensional mind cannot begin to encompass the 6th dimensional space which we "travel "

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/2JKcoWNf3m...vC2jBg591rCU7V9JnIBgO531xFhG-uHO73NSTYg=s1600

http://imgur.com/qhtXgAR

" until he reached 28 known dimensions "

http://imgur.com/87yolR0

http://imgur.com/mlkOnkU

only that he also reached " 28 known dimensions " after ascending through the 6th dimension space . Metron chair can reach through all through uncounted dimensions in the existence finally reaching the Source beyond boundless space/time

http://imgur.com/ASdupB0

" And The Source wall is depicted as beyond time beyond space an extra dimensional realm which is nowhere and everywhere . Here the great wall has stood before the beginning of time . A structure which spawned all the known and unknown dimensions and served to protect that which is the end of all things " , " The Source "

http://imgur.com/h65MWhb

" Beyond any known measures of time and space lies the wall spawning all the dimensions it spreads an infinite barrier between all that lies without and the unguessable secrets thats lie within . The Secrets of The Source "

http://i.imgur.com/KZapHGa.jpg

And takion travelled across all the higher dimensions reaching beyond the totality of the source wall and describes the source as boundless and timeless .

http://i.imgur.com/AJKleq1.jpg

http://imgur.com/PRHVz5N

http://imgur.com/Wcfj0Bw

http://imgur.com/SOWGoDy

 

[AndrewBennet]

I have more and more scans which I will be posting later

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I was searching for these, thanks.

There's also the Source being non-dual.

 

[AndrewBennet]

Also mxy destroyed every numbered dimensions even the ones with fractions in the existence in a gag story . ( dont have the scan ) .

https://imgur.com/csf5SlA

Takion goes to the source by literally going past the eternal reaches of space and time

Regarding Sena the wanderer scan. The writer confirmed it be spatial dimensions .

Guardians of council ten from larfleeze story are some powerful higher dimensional beings that can destroy all the universes if they make up their mind and their dimension is said to contain the entire physical Multiverse

http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/larfleeze/12/15.jpg

[http://imgur.com/a/jdR0q http://imgur.com/a/jdR0q Hypertime contains all of realities and dimensions]


According to this page and interview, Hypertime seems to encompass everything in fiction and real world.
In other words, Hypertime is DC version omniverse.

This is from interview.

Allowed every comic story you ever read to be part of larger-scale mega-continuity, which also include other comic book 'universes' as well as the 'real world' we live in and dimension beyond our own…it was also about how the world of fiction relates literally and geometrically to the world of 'reality'…We all live in Hypertime-in our 3-Dimensional level of hypertime, which can be seen as CUBE TIME in relation to the DCU's LINE TIME, we can pick up comics and leaf through them, flipping in any direction-'time travelling' back and forward through the 'continuity' like some new Doctor Who

Hypertime means that all stories ever created by DC Comics or one of its imprints are canon which includes WF MXY and wildstorm

http://web.archive.org/web/20000615...eruniverse.com/newsarama/newsarama010899.html

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[Shivansh_Garg]

Mister Mxy scan

 

[Jared1111]

Y'know, since he went out of his way to specify that he destroyed ALL numbered dimensions (even the ones with fractions i guess) and at the end of the comic he mentions destroyingevery universe and parallel dimension and was able to easily destroy the 5th Dimension as well... is the story trying to imply that he destroyed all of DC? Not just the 5th Dimension down?

Wouldn't that be like 1-B at least, possibly High 1-B?... then again it's a gag story, so it's not like it counts.

 

[AndrewBennet]

Y'know, since he went out of his way to specify that he destroyed ALL numbered dimensions (even the ones with fractions i guess) and at the end of the comic he mentions destroyingevery universe and parallel dimension and was able to easily destroy the 5th Dimension as well... is the story trying to imply that he destroyed all of DC? Not just the 5th Dimension down?
Wouldn't that be like 1-B at least, possibly High 1-B?... then again it's a gag story, so it's not like it counts.

The writer confirmed that mxy destroyed infinite spatial dimensions including the entire Multiverse . You can re ask him if you wish . Someone asked him 2 years ago and I couldn't find that scan

 

[Antvasima]

World's Funnest is not a part of official continuity as far as I am aware, and this would be an unproven outlier feat in the first place.

Cubed time containing all 3-D universes would also just mean a 6-D continuity as far as I am aware, or at the very least not anywhere near all higher degrees of fiction.

 

[AndrewBennet]

World's Funnest is not a part of official continuity as far as I am aware, and this would be an unproven outlier feat in the first place.
Cubed time containing all 3-D universes would also just mean a 6-D continuity as far as I am aware, or at the very least not anywhere near all higher degrees of fiction.

That was a gag story similar to Harley quins run where she destroys the whole DC continuity in 2018 .

You can ask John bryne here regarding the fourth world scans I presented above . I think Sandman23 has even more evidence for infinite dimensions . http://www.byrnerobotics.com/home.asp

 

[Antvasima]

I don't have a problem with an infinite-dimensional DC multiverse. I have a problem with a High 1-B Mister Mxyzptlk, as well as interpreting cubed time/hypertime as containing all of existence in the omniverse manner, as it seems too contradictory.

 

[AndrewBennet]

I don't have a problem with an infinite-dimensional DC multiverse. I have a problem with a High 1-B Mister Mxyzptlk, as well as interpreting cubed time/hypertime as containing all of existence in the omniverse manner, as it seems too contradictory.

Mxy would only qualify for 5D though .

 

[Antvasima]

He already does, but destroying all higher dimensions in World's Funnest would be High 1-B if taken seriously.

 

[Zensum]

Yea, Hypertime would only cover all of existence within the local and larger multiverses, among all the different continuities. So manipulating it would let you manipulate n52, Post Crisis, PC..etc stuff but wouldn't let you effect anything higher than the Vanishing Point (EX. God Sphere, Higher Vertigo..etc). Convergence makes this more clear. Andrew's post is pretty good.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

In regards to Hypertime, there are many interviews where Grant Morrison and other writers explain the concept in a way that makes it clear that it's supposed to cover all continues and multiverses, although not the higher stuf.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Sorry to interrupt what is currently being discussed but since its DC-related, then it should be okay to mention it here.

@Matthew Not blaming you or anything but in this thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2377222

You should be well-aware that randomly closing the thread after posting a reply irrelvant to anyone's claims during the discussion and avoiding to respond to my comment which was a list of evidence disproving the Writer being tier 0 is considered as an unreasonable action to make on your part.

 

[Zensum]

To be fair, your comment was just strange interpretations of several outta context/unrelated scans. It kinda fails when the first scan of AM has nothing to do with Michael Demiurge and was referring to how Grant is the writer of the comic but not the creator of the character.

Regarding the OP, AM Grant Morrison is an avatar of himself with full control of the story as he is the writer of it. While Grant Morrison's avatar in SS is subject to Ostrander's control as he is the writer and therefore Grant can be written to die like any other character. The Writer the profile is based on is not these specific avatars but the collective which is what that Demiurge statement is referring too.

 

[Jared1111]

I don't have a problem with an infinite-dimensional DC multiverse. I have a problem with a High 1-B Mister Mxyzptlk, as well as interpreting cubed time/hypertime as containing all of existence in the omniverse manner, as it seems too contradictory.

Yeah, theres no way canon Mxy is anywhere near High 1-B in base form. At best you could say this is another version of Mxy or just a what if (as the stories imply). Like how Cosmic Adventures Mxy is.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

@Zensum He straight up said Michael's name, in the same scan my guy. Also no, not exactly what I was explaining about regarding Grant's statements.

That's isn't enough explanation to disprove how the Writer considers himself below the Presence,

 

[Zensum]

You should probably actually read the comic rather than take that one scan out of context. 'Demiurgic'is not referring to Michael in any shape or form. What about Grant? His keyword "Avatar" is not referring to the Presence who is hint, also shaped by external forces. Anyways ill answer you on the thread to avoid cluttering this one.

 

[Udlmaster]

You can't, it was closed.

 

[Udlmaster]

By "External Forces"

 

[Magi_Hussie]

@Zensum This is a last response I'm going to post here regarding the other thread to avoid further cluttering this thread:

>Lucifer

>Mentions Michael

>"God chose him as his second"

Highly doubt that was taken out of context and nobody else would ever be considered qualified for that role other than Michael.

Those "external forces" were already explained in the Presence's VS profile, see Explanations.

Edit: The last response I mentioned regarding this topic is the actual last one and for sure this time.

 

[Zensum]

What does Michael and Lucifer have to do with the argument on The Writer? We've already established Grants avatar is not talking about them in AM. Anything else is random speculation.

My post about external forces is pointing out a limitation. The presence is a character and thus below its writer. Ex. Siegel

 

[Crabwhale]

Guys, I'll be quite honest: these revisions have so far been very ineffective.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

@Zensum There's no true writer as the supreme being and as the matter of fact, there could be an uncountable amount of them being considered higher than the other, so clearly the Writer can't be Tier 0 simply because of that. Also, various reliable sources disproven that as well and they mentioned that no one can be above the Presence if he's supposed to be god and he's beyond everyone in the DC Comics.

^ When the Presence was shaped by "external forces," he was created from the minds of sentient beings & became their god and "in our own image" statement really means that everyone has different perspectives of what the Presence looks like to them. That's why the Presence looks different sometimes.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

@Crab "Guys, I'll be quite honest: these revisions have so far been very ineffective."

You can say that again....