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Well?
Can we go ahead and apply everything now?
Can we go ahead and apply everything now?
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DC Heralds rescaling thread
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If there's no large pushback against the ratings we could. But afaik we still have enough to sort some stuff out.
Or at least Firestorm wants to make a comment about it.
Or at least Firestorm wants to make a comment about it.
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So far all we had was derailing other things that were supposed to be brought up in the og thread, like whether or not some feats are fine
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Could you unlock pages for post crisis and post flashpoint Barry and Wally? There seems to be no contention for the Speedsters and I've already applied for the villain speedsters.
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They're unlocked.
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While my initial post is still being updated as I go along, can those available address my current list of comments.
Post in thread 'DC Heralds rescaling thread' https://vsbattles.com/threads/dc-heralds-rescaling-thread.161156/post-6196767
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Driq and Flodo performed the galaxy feat together I'm fairly sure
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I'm actually seconding Firestorms opinion here. There seems to be only one instance of Superman overpowering Darkseid pre-Absorption -- and even that was a weakened Darkseid.
(Though I honestly don't believe it was DeSaad; I don't think that's consistent and PIS at best.)
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Firestorm has a list of concerns we are waiting to go over.
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DC Heralds rescaling thread
Contains a world with no end in his battery This shouldn't be used as a feat for Kyle Rayner because its not like he empowers himself with all the energy in this world. Also is this thread only to discuss scaling? I think the Kyle Rayner Zero Hour feat isn't a valid tier 2 feat
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Apologies for a late reply, though my timing doesn't seem too bad, as the arguments seem to be compiled now.
Also, even if we say that all Driq did was restrain Flodo, that probably still results in 3-C results, no?
A peak pre-Death Superman scaled to a peak Death of Superman Doomsday (Superman #75), and even before reaching new levels of power, he could take a punch from the earlier Doomsday, as well as a kick that Superman considered to be the strongest hit he'd felt (Superman #74). The idea of DoS Doomsday being superior to Darkseid is made even more consistent with the fact that a far earlier Doomsday in Doomsday Annual was implied to be pretty much equal to Darkseid.
Superman also withstands pain greater than what Darkseid could put him through in Action Comics #656. Superman also scales to the Hank Hall Monarch, who was compared to the Dreamslayer by Captain Atom (Justice League America #87), who Darkseid admits is a rival to him (Justice League America #88). Supes also recovered from an attack from Maxima (Superman: The Man of Tomorrow #7) sooner than Darkseid's equal, Orion did (Superman #65).
Superman also does the exact same thing to Orion, Darkseid's equal, in issue #3, so by your own logic, Superman can "easily bat away" characters on Darkseid's level.
I'm not exactly sure where Martian Manhunter's scaling will end up, but considering some of his feats, I'd be surprised if he doesn't even reach 3-A or Low 2-C. Titus could also hurt Hal Jordan, so him scaling to upper tiers of Earth even during that timeframe is pretty fair.
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I also want to mention that Rebirth Superman being able to destroy the Phantom Zone may be considered 52 Universes into 2-C as well, considering the Sphere of Gods > Orrery scaling, though I'm not particularly sure how we scale the PZ in the general cosmology aside from it at least being an infinite sized separate Universe.
Also, question for Emirp, is the plan that once the discussion for the characters who currently have drafts is over, we can start covering characters like Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, etc?
Well, let's take a look at that.
I'm not sure where this reading comes from. What we see is that when Driq is outside of Flodo, a green construct forms, seemingly what the text on Driq's ring pulling a form together refers to, and this construct is present when the Galaxy is contracting, as well as contracting alongside. I'm not sure why restricting Flodo would restore his sanity if the cause is that he's merged with the whole sector, as he would still be merged with it, and take up that space until he has contracted. The more sensible reading is that Driq restricts and contracts Flodo Span, and with that, Flodo regains sanity.
Also, even if we say that all Driq did was restrain Flodo, that probably still results in 3-C results, no?
Despite this argument, the feat was still largely accepted. Any discussion on those feats should either be handled later or in private rather then derailing this thread.
I'm not sure why both can't be true at the same time, as in, Krona is both getting their power and scales to them beforehand, but true, it could be phrased better to note of both.
This is already accounted for in the current drafts:
Untrue.
A peak pre-Death Superman scaled to a peak Death of Superman Doomsday (Superman #75), and even before reaching new levels of power, he could take a punch from the earlier Doomsday, as well as a kick that Superman considered to be the strongest hit he'd felt (Superman #74). The idea of DoS Doomsday being superior to Darkseid is made even more consistent with the fact that a far earlier Doomsday in Doomsday Annual was implied to be pretty much equal to Darkseid.
Superman also withstands pain greater than what Darkseid could put him through in Action Comics #656. Superman also scales to the Hank Hall Monarch, who was compared to the Dreamslayer by Captain Atom (Justice League America #87), who Darkseid admits is a rival to him (Justice League America #88). Supes also recovered from an attack from Maxima (Superman: The Man of Tomorrow #7) sooner than Darkseid's equal, Orion did (Superman #65).
Darkseid's statement isn't all too relevant in my opinion. He's quite the arrogant character and considering the later events of the comic, I wouldn't value the statement much. Superman straight up beats Darkseid an admitted fair fight, as you note.
This is out of context. Leading up to this, Superman gets noticeably battle damaged, and then has to stop Darkseid's machine, which was explicitly a great cost to him.
And despite this, Superman is still ready and confident to continue.
Superman also does the exact same thing to Orion, Darkseid's equal, in issue #3, so by your own logic, Superman can "easily bat away" characters on Darkseid's level.
This is literally impossible. Darkseid banished Desaad to Skartaris during the Legends #4, with this directly leading in to the arc with Superman. DC seems to maintain it being Darkseid as well, including it in a Superman vs Darkseid compilation described by their website as battles with the Dark Lord of Apokolips. This scan, which isn't even explicit in what it's referring to, is very weak in comparison to this.
Starfire comes to the same conclusion Rann-Thanagar: Holy War #4, and it's not just one space cop, but a consensus between them.
That is part of his justification alongside his scaling to Darkseid and others. A 2-C character performing a 3-A or Low 2-C feat can be a supporting feat in their justification.
Why so?
A character who shows up between JLA: Classified #50 and #54.
I'm not exactly sure where Martian Manhunter's scaling will end up, but considering some of his feats, I'd be surprised if he doesn't even reach 3-A or Low 2-C. Titus could also hurt Hal Jordan, so him scaling to upper tiers of Earth even during that timeframe is pretty fair.
Superman scaling to Hank Hall Monarch was already accepted on the prior thread, so I don't want to get too deep into this topic, but just to restate the reason he scales, it's because he took an attack from him, staggered him while pulling his punch, shattered his armor (Armageddon #2), and was stated to be capable of defeating him (Adventures of Superman Annual #3). I'm also unaware how you came to the conclusion that Superman was incapacitated, while we do see him get blasted back, he is not among the characters Monarch restrains, nor is he shown to be damaged from the blast.
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I also want to mention that Rebirth Superman being able to destroy the Phantom Zone may be considered 52 Universes into 2-C as well, considering the Sphere of Gods > Orrery scaling, though I'm not particularly sure how we scale the PZ in the general cosmology aside from it at least being an infinite sized separate Universe.
Also, question for Emirp, is the plan that once the discussion for the characters who currently have drafts is over, we can start covering characters like Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, etc?
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Yes. The plan is to get he dudes on the drafts over and done with first, as they're the main basis for scaling.
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When will New 52 profiles be revamped?
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After we're done with all of this. We are planning to handle New 52 at some point. Those guys might probably stay the same or receive big downgrades.
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I think 4-B still fits well within New 52, but that's for another time.
Are we waiting for Firestorm's reply, or did Ehnk cover everything well enough that we can move on with the upgrades for the rest of the characters?
Are we waiting for Firestorm's reply, or did Ehnk cover everything well enough that we can move on with the upgrades for the rest of the characters?
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I guess.
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Which one is it?
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Latter, didn't clarify my bad.
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Gotcha.
If you're too busy, I actually wouldn't mind setting in the upgrades for Post-Crisis' profile at least.
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E2B called dibs on Hal and the Superman profiles fyi
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Damn.
Dibs on Captain marvel's, then
Dibs on Captain marvel's, then
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Would I be okay to update both Darkseid and Captain Marvel's profiles?
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How do I citate references again?
Like the miniature [480] on Marvel's profile?
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ig, but you don't need to citate anything, just copy and paste
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Done.
Darkseid's profile needs to be unlocked.
Darkseid's profile needs to be unlocked.
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I'll go ahead and update Rock Black Adam as well.
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I changed Billy's profile photo; let me know what you think!
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Looks good.
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Would you mind pinging someone able to unlock Darkseid's profile?
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Y’all, don’t put 52 Universes in the characters’ AP justification. You have to format it like this now:
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Standard Format for Character Profiles
When there are multiple versions of a character that are distinct enough to be split into several profiles, whether it is due to the length and complexity of the page or versions from different mediums, then the multiple pages that are created as a result of this have to be linked by a tabber...
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Thank you for adding the citations, @LordTracer.
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I have handled it. Tell us here when you are done.
Darkseid (Pre-Flashpoint)
Darkseid is one of the most powerful New Gods and the tyrannical ruler of Apokolips, an archetypal world beyond the boundaries of time and space. His everlasting goal is the utter domination and enslavement of all life in creation, when all is ordered according to his will. Darkseid was formerly...
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Pre Crisis would scale off Earth Two and the Anti Monitor.
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Wouldn't Pre-Crisis Superman scale off preventing the destruction of all possible futures?
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