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This shouldn't be used as a feat for Kyle Rayner because its not like he empowers himself with all the energy in this world. Also is this thread only to discuss scaling? I think the Kyle Rayner Zero Hour feat isn't a valid tier 2 feat
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This shouldn't be used as a feat for Kyle Rayner because its not like he empowers himself with all the energy in this world. Also is this thread only to discuss scaling? I think the Kyle Rayner Zero Hour feat isn't a valid tier 2 feat
Yes, this thread is only to discuss scaling. All Tier 2 feat validation discussions have been concluded prior. If you think this feat is wrong, make another CRT for it.This shouldn't be used as a feat for Kyle Rayner because its not like he empowers himself with all the energy in this world. Also is this thread only to discuss scaling? I think the Kyle Rayner Zero Hour feat isn't a valid tier 2 feat
As mentioned by others, the focus of this thread is solely on scaling, but if you'd like to discuss this in private, I'd be (mostly) available.This shouldn't be used as a feat for Kyle Rayner because its not like he empowers himself with all the energy in this world. Also is this thread only to discuss scaling? I think the Kyle Rayner Zero Hour feat isn't a valid tier 2 feat
There already is a key for early Post-Crisis Superman, albeit not strictly Byrne-era, but rather up to Death of Superman. You can view the suggested tiering here. To mark the lower-end portrayal of him during this era, his usual level is listed as 5-C, but due to consistent higher-end performances, his peak reaches 2-C.The only question I have is if we should also include a statistics key for the early Byrne-version Post-Crisis Superman who could be knocked out by nuclear weapons, in addition to his currently intended key for his statistics during the end of the Post-Crisis era?
Well, that was agreed upon in the last thread with the AP ratings.Okay. I think that nuclear radiation seems a bit like grasping at straws though. To list the pre-DOS era Superman as 2-C or to have a minimum of 5-C seems misleading of us to our visitors.
Explain?I think that nuclear radiation seems a bit like grasping at straws though.
The justification given for Superman is similar to the justifications given for Marvel: They hold back and for Superman his limitations are entirely based on his mental condition.Byrne-era Superman was visibly knocked out by the physical energy released by a nuclear explosion, and did not have any radiation burns or similar, nor was nuclear radiation stated to be a specific weakness of his in conjunction
Well, at the very least I think that we should use 7-B or so as a lower border for the early post-Crisis Superman, and can somebody explain why his upper border was placed as 2-C please?The justification given for Superman is similar to the justifications given for Marvel: They hold back and for Superman his limitations are entirely based on his mental condition.
Superman had no idea what his limits were and had to train to get over them, as he would get stronger as the situation demanded it as evidence by his statement saying he only ever went all out when he died against Doomsday.
If you want to say it's inconsistent, sure it probably is, but all the rating have been accepted and we have to rationalize them. The current rational works for Superman since it's determinant on his mental state and willingness to test his limitations, which he doesn't like to do in-character most of the time.
The sandbox already states why.can somebody explain why his upper border was placed as 2-C please?
This is literally scaling thread, there's no need for a separate one.I don't think anyone rejected the explanation for removing Superman's Tier 7 rating for being hurt by nuclear weapons in this thread, so it can be discussed in another thread
I'm saying another thread needs to be made to discuss that because this isn't the thread for itThis is literally scaling thread, there's no need for a separate one.
this is literally a scaling thread, and the Tier 7 rating is on a herald profile, and this scaling thread is about scaling the heralds, this is absolutely the thread for this lolI'm saying another thread needs to be made to discuss that because this isn't the thread for it
Except this is thread for it? This is the thread for deciding who scales to what.I'm saying another thread needs to be made to discuss that because this isn't the thread for it
Sigh. I suppose that we have to use your solution and ignore the serious inconsistencies then.The sandbox already states why.
Both KLOL and Ehnkr said that this thread is for discussing the scaling, not the validity of the feats or anti featsExcept this is thread for it? This is the thread for deciding who scales to what.
and we're saying the nuke and the 6-C feat don't scale to his normal physicals due to how casual the 6-C feat was and how the radiation affects him more than the actual blast of the nuke itselfBoth KLOL and Ehnkr said that this thread is for discussing the scaling, not the validity of the feats or anti feats
Tier 7 scaling isn't "validity of feats and anti-feats". Don't white knight for me.Both KLOL and Ehnkr said that this thread is for discussing the scaling, not the validity of the feats or anti feats
Superman not being Tier 7 because of the nuclear thing was already accepted in the previous thread, so yes it is. By this same token I should be allowed to discuss the Kyle Rayner big bang feat because its relevant to scalingTier 7 scaling isn't "validity of feats and anti-feats". Don't white knight for me.
You discussing the Kyle Rayner big bang feat would be discussing the validity of the feat, not who scales to it or what.Superman not being Tier 7 because of the nuclear thing was already accepted in the previous thread, so yes it is. By this same token I should be allowed to discuss the Kyle Rayner big bang feat because its relevant to scaling
Discussing the Superman tier 7 thing would also be discussing the validity of it, not only that, it has already been accepted as not being an anti feat in the previous threadYou discussing the Kyle Rayner big bang feat would be discussing the validity of the feat, not who scales to it or what.
All of them are 52, yes.So are all the 2-C's 52 universes? Or will some be lower
How is this? Which feats prove it?All of them are 52, yes.
Question. How is the herald scaling affected by the outcome of this thread? It would seem all of the 2-C characters are going to be upgraded instead to 2-A.All of them are 52, yes.
Idk tbh. Apparently if this goes through, heralds become 2-A because individual universes become 2-A in DC, something I'm not a fan of but I'm not knowledgeable enough to argue against it. I don't have an opinion about the upgrade itself.Question. How is the herald scaling affected by the outcome of this thread? It would seem all of the 2-C characters are going to be upgraded instead to 2-A.
Scaling to Barbatos.How is this? Which feats prove it?
It was not Driq who performed the alleged feat. It was Flodo Span.up to Galaxy level (One of[186] if not the best Green Lantern[187], going from being the greatest to most dangerous Green Lantern[188] which should make him superior to the likes of Driq, who's encompassed and destroyed an evil galaxy[189], which would be this powerful, and standard Green Lanterns, each of which could, together contain an explosion which would destroy the galaxy[190])
Regarding Flodo Span, I'm unsure if physical quantities apply.
In the original encounter, Thirty-six Guardians surrounded the MadGod, forming a net with their green light. Time after time they had almost completed their task when MadGod spurted it out past them. In time, though, they managed to create a matrix and calm the sentient sector with their green light, causing it to cohere. It became rational once more and understood the Guardians were its masters. For a creature of pure mind, that understanding became all the Guardians needed to do to imprison the sector for the remainder of time.
Green Lantern Flodo Span is an abstract life form and did not have a physical body as his fellow Green Lanterns did. Seizing on the same plan the Guardians used, Flodo increased his size to grow large enough to surround MadGod. Like MadGod, Flodo Span went mad with his omniscience, but when Driq's body was scattered across the cosmos, Driq's power ring pulled the dead Green Lantern's form together and also constricted Flodo Span, restoring the Green Lantern's sanity. The Green Lantern had compressed it into a ball.
When looking at the panels before and after compression, the space background doesn't seem to change as if a galaxy's worth of celestial bodies around them were all of a sudden compressed into a ball.
MadGod when contained by the guardians was just an abstract entity and didn't have the mass of a galaxy. After all, when MadGod escaped captivity, it's not like he decompressed an entire galaxy's worth of mass back into stars and planets before he faced Flodo. The pure mind went out and possessed another galaxy. Flodo used a similar method and contained the pure mind.
According to the prior thread, you agreed with my sentiment that:
The scaling chain would be better described as:The proposed scaling here relies less upon Krona getting power from the entities, but that Krona was already as powerful as the entities to begin with.
Atrocitus Tier 2 Peak (Via Butcher Encounter) < Krona (Feels pain from Atrocitus' Napalm breath and bite to his neck) < Peak Hal (Blew through Krona's chest)
Isn't this a 3-A to Low 2-C feat for his peak power?(Considered capable of stopping[435] a Universe destroying force[436], which he succeeded in doing[436], albeit off-screen.
Sorry, but who is Titus and why is this scaled to Low Multiverse level in relation to Martian Manhunter?
Say what? I said that I relented and will go along with Emirp's solution.don't, Ant.
Just don't.
See: https://vsbattles.com/threads/dc-heralds-rescaling-thread.161156/post-6196767defeated Krona[204], who had the power of the Emotional Entities[205],
According to the prior thread, you agreed with my sentiment that:
The proposed scaling here relies less upon Krona getting power from the entities, but that Krona was already as powerful as the entities to begin with.
The scaling chain would be better described as:
Atrocitus Tier 2 Peak (Via Butcher Encounter) < Krona (Feels pain from Atrocitus' Napalm breath and bite to his neck) < Peak Hal (Blew through Krona's chest)
I'm pretty sure I just phrased it wrongly. If anything, Krona should actually be somewhat > to the entities. I can rephrase it later.According to the prior thread, you agreed with my sentiment that:
The scaling chain would be better described as:
See: https://vsbattles.com/threads/dc-heralds-rescaling-thread.161156/post-6196767I have concerns regarding scaling Pre-Absorption Superman to Darkseid. Following the Action Comics Vol 1 #586 encounter, the writers have since depicted that Darkseid is actually stronger than the Pre-Absorption Era Superman.
- Action Comics Vol 1 #586 | March 1987
- According to Darkseid, Superman’s unlocked power is weaker than his.
- Darkseid sends out omega beams with the intent to wipe Superman out in one blast. Superman guides the beams into Darkseid, resulting in a bright pink aura. Superman didn’t expect Darkseid to survive. Darkseid is still hurt by his full-power Omega Beams
- Darkseid fires his Omega Beams with the intent to kill at Superman, resulting in a dimmer Red Aura. This does not kill Superman. Darkseid says his Omega Force is spent, not at full power. Instead, he alters his current Omega Beams to attack Superman’s molecules.
- Superman resists and punches Darkseid a few times.
- Darkseid says that Superman won a fair fight.
- Action Comics Vol 1 #638 | February 1989 | The Power Within
- Darkseid incapacitates Superman with a single, casual blast. One casual blast left Superman on the ground, too weak to even try stopping Darkseid from leaving.
- Darkseid calls himself True Power in comparison to Superman.
- Cosmic Odyssey Vol 1 #1 | December 1989
- On New Genesis, Darkseid easily bats away Superman.
- New Gods Vol 3 #15 | April 1990
- It's retconned that Superman fought Desaad disguised as Darkseid back in Action Comics Vol 1 #586