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DBZ Toei: More Downgrades

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SSJGeminiJJ said:
Why is Gohan considered the strongest unfused character in either medium exactly? SSJ3 Goku saying he can't beat Super Buu was a blatant bluff, since he was still under the narrative of himself being weaker than Fat Buu, considering how he pointed out to Vegeta he hadn't felt it was okay to admit to him he could've beaten Fat Buu the entire time until they were in the Kaioshin Realm to fight Kid Buu, that alone invalidates taking it seriously and applying it to true power SSJ3 Goku.

Toriyama himself says Goku was the strongest in the universe in the Buu Saga, Vegeta also states Goku is literally #1 and the only one who can fight Kid Buu, SSJ3 Goku's full power killing blow was thought to be able to oneshot Kid Buu but when it came to Gohan and Gotenks he wasn't absolutely confident they could beat Kid Buu fighting together, and it's stated many times if Goku and Vegeta lost then everyone was doomed and Kid Buu would've killed everyone, even after Gohan was alive and well.

I'd rather not open the can of worms that's Kid Buu vs. the other Buus, but in any medium SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu>>>Ultimate Gohan.
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I'm pretty sure it was stated somewhere that Gohan was the strongest unfused character.

Anyways even while inside Buu Goku chastises Vegeta for breaking the potara which wouldn't be something he'll care about if he was stronger than Super Buu, he only fights Buu without the fusion when he's Kid Buu, which is him weaker and without anybody, they even comment Kid Buu is way weaker than before when he first appears and I'm not sure when he is doubtful that Gohan can beat Kid Buu, in fact IIRC correctly the first thing he thought of was that Vegeta wanting to bring Gohan and Gotenks to waste his ass.

And Kid Buu doesn't have to be stronger than Ultimate Gohan to beat him, he can just blow up the planet (which he's very likely to do) and let him die on the Vacuum of space.

EDIT:Ok I didn't know the strongest non-fused character thing was fanmade, point still stands.
 
It honestly makes no sense…how does losing your absorption makes u stronger???? like are people not even seeing this?
BlastX said:
EDIT:Ok I didn't know the strongest non-fused character thing was fanmade, point still stands.
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Tbh I’ve looked around the internet and that’s what people were saying but if ya go to the wiki where they have the links set up about Gohan, it’s pretty much confirmed that he’s meant to be stronger then Goku in DBZ…people gotta realize though that he’s just not a warrior like his father
 
BlackeJan said:
It honestly makes no sense…how does losing your absorption makes u stronger???? like are people not even seeing this?

Tbh I’ve looked around the internet and that’s what people were saying but if ya go to the wiki where they have the links set up about Gohan, it’s pretty much confirmed that he’s meant to be stronger then Goku in DBZ…people gotta realize though that he’s just not a warrior like his father
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Honestly for once I agree with you but that's what the anime says...stupid Toei.
 
Adem_Warlock69 said:
Guess we gonna treat it like the Super Saiyan 2 and 3 Multipliers
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Speaking of, am I the only person who thinks SSJ2 was a much bigger multiplier than just 2x?

I mean, restrained Cell (we'll say 50%) >= SSJ Goku and SSJ Gohan, and he powered up A LOT and was still demolished by SSJ2.

It seems like a 5x multiplier may have been more appropriate.

Btw can someone unlock the GT Goku page?
 
Eseseso said:
Speaking of, am I the only person who thinks SSJ2 was a much bigger multiplier than just 2x?

I mean, restrained Cell (we'll say 50%) >= SSJ Goku and SSJ Gohan, and he powered up A LOT and was still demolished by SSJ2.

It seems like a 5x multiplier may have been more appropriate.

Btw can someone unlock the GT Goku page?
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The only hard showings for stated multipliers besides SS1 happen in the ToP with SS3 Goku managing to nullify the ki blasts of two characters who are equal to his SS2.
 
No dude, several other people treat it that way, the entire wiki treat it that way, not sure why you started with "I am I the only one" when it's obvious it's not the case.
 
GT base Goku from the start is > Kid Buu unless you want to go with the nonsense that Oob doesn’t scale above him in spite of being his literal reincarnation and getting trining from Goku himself.

Rildo is outright stronger than Buu, and with transformations he forces a SS2 out of Goku so he is >50x>Kid Buus peak strength.
 
I was mostly talking about Ledgic and Trunks
Also I'm pretty sure Goku was suppressed against Rildo, not that it changes much
 
Trunks is 4-A as well scaling well above Kid Buu and relative to Black Star Saga Goku as he one shot muchi that fought with and Defeated SSJ Goku, granted Trunks killed him while he was off guard, but he was still fully intent on murdering Goku and in the process of choking him when trunks killed him.

Bebí seeking out his Saiyan power likely makes him comparable to Rildo in base given he states he needs to be powerful enough to fully possess someone and Rildo was possessed whereas trunks wasn’t.
 
AguilaR202 said:
GT base Goku from the start is > Kid Buu unless you want to go with the nonsense that Oob doesn’t scale above him in spite of being his literal reincarnation and getting trining from Goku himself.

Rildo is outright stronger than Buu, and with transformations he forces a SS2 out of Goku so he is >50x>Kid Buus peak strength.
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Not to open this can of worms but I just finished watching those episodes of GT and while he does state his power has increased 100 fold, the transformation shows no signs of being ssj2 IE Spikier hair, one bang in front, electricity so there's that...
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
Not to open this can of worms but I just finished watching those episodes of GT and while he does state his power has increased 100 fold, the transformation shows no signs of being ssj2 IE Spikier hair, one bang in front, electricity so there's that...
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Really? Do you subtitle screenshots for those statements?
 
Shmeatywerbenmanjenson said:
It implies it yes, but it still doesn't change the fact that Goku went super Saiyan against both Ledgic and Luud when he didn't have to against base Rildo
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I mean, that doesn't really mean much
The Sigma Force who believed that they would be strong enough to defeat Super Saiyan Goku at the time when he was on Imecka and were stated to be stronger than anyone Goku faced for a good time period, were easily defeated in Base once he stopped holding back

Rildo was also stated to be stronger than anyone they faced before
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Adem_Warlock69 said:
I mean, that doesn't really mean much
The Sigma Force who believed that they would be strong enough to defeat Super Saiyan Goku at the time when he was on Imecka and were stated to be stronger than anyone Goku faced for a good time period, were easily defeated in Base once he stopped holding back

Rildo was also stated to be stronger than anyone they faced before
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Ledgic and Luud>Base Goku=Uub=Buu
 
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