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This scene is from the anime only and doesn´t apply to the mangaWell, maybe we'll get a teleportation distance in episode 17, where Goku's range is shown visualizing 5 or 3 galaxies, can't we use that to measure?
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This scene is from the anime only and doesn´t apply to the mangaWell, maybe we'll get a teleportation distance in episode 17, where Goku's range is shown visualizing 5 or 3 galaxies, can't we use that to measure?
A couple reasons;Okay so... I don't see why we can't at minimum take the distance between Earth and Yardrat and then multiply it by the number of times IT was used across this distance. Vegeta is a literal newbie at IT and couldn't use it again after he warped to Earth in the Moro Arc. Granolah, who was zipping all over the place with, would 100% be able to do at least that much via being better at the technique.
He's trying to lure Gas away from Planet Cereal and he can't control the distance he teleports; he just senses someone and teleports to them. I'm not saying "Goku is intentionally teleporting a way lower distance than his maximum range", I'm saying there is no way of proving that each distance he teleported across was his maximum range, or further than Vegeta's teleportation between Yardrat and Earth.Not sure about a lot of that, especially the last part given that Goku's trying to get as far away from Earth as possible, so like... why wouldn't he be traveling at minimum the distance that an utter noob to IT could do? That just seems very counterintuitive, so I wouldn't exactly consider it the most valid counterargument out there.
I don't agree because you'd be assuming specific distances here; each teleportation is essentially a random unknown distance. Goku is teleportating to people he can sense, not necessarily people he can sense who are a minimum of X distance away from each other - and either way it still wouldn't be reasonable to assume it's all in a perfectly straight line as well.I mean I feel as though Occam's Razor would kinda favor my interpretation more considering it's the much simpler interpretation of "he's going as far away as he can with each jump because he needs to go as far from Cereal as possible."Yes, I did forget they were on Cereal and thought they were on Earth
Also Goku is also trying to warp as far away as he can, and especially given that he needs to use Instant Transmission little enough that he doesn't run out of energy (and he almost ran out of gas just trying to get to where Whis was to begin with). So, I don't really see how this counterargument works. It goes against what Goku's trying to do.
Uh, that's only half right... Because he's doing that while also trying to lead him as far away from Cereal as possible. The whole point of Goku's maneuver was to buy time, so idk why he wouldn't be trying to do thatGoku isn't necessarily trying to lead Gas as far as possible. What he's doing is creating a situation where Gas is tracking Goku from place to place, and then when Goku has put Gas in a safe position (next to Whis), he rapidly teleports away while Gas isn't focusing and then Gas can't teleport back the same route because he can't follow Goku's Ki.
That scenario (which is essentially what happened) doesn't require Goku to be teleporting to his limits each time.
Uh, that's only half right... Because he's doing that while also trying to lead him as far away from Cereal as possible. The whole point of Goku's maneuver was to buy time, so idk why he wouldn't be trying to do that
He's buying time...The method by which he buys time is that Gas can't teleport back because he can't track Goku anymore. You'd be making additional assumptions that he was teleporting as far as he possibly could with each teleportation which isn't supported by the mechanics of how Instant Transmission works which is that he is only teleporting to people he is familiar with who he can sense.
He's buying time...
By going as far as possible...
Thus requiring Gas to take more time to get back...
This isn't some wild ass assumption or anything, it just makes a lot of logical sense
Frieza Planet #79 is either further from Namek or a before it, meaning 18 days is bare minimum.Okay. I have a little issue with that but I think I would need to see the actual calc created for this in order to verify.
Okay.Gimme an Earth-Yardrat distance and I gotchu
This is a globe from the Daizenshuu depicting the positions of some planets in the universe.This is the distance between Earth and Namek.
So, given we do accept ships and forms of travel that have no reason to be inconsistent as usable for stacking calculations, there is one way to figure out how far away Yardrat is.
We have the following information:
With this, we can, by using the map and knowing how far away Namek was from Earth (which we know), figure out how far away Yardrat was from Earth.
- Goku used the Ginyu's ships to land-crash on Yardrat (Chapter 336)
- The Ginyu's were programmed to attack that planet (Chapter 336)
- In Super, however we figure out the Ginyu's were already on the planet when they were called (Chapter 52/Super)
- It took the Ginyu's 5 days to arrive on Namek (Daizenshuu 7)
- It takes for the same ship 23 days to travel from Earth to Namek (Daizenshuu 7)
Even if we assume Yardrat is in the direction of Earth across from Namek (worst case scenario), it still comes up to 4/5ths of the way to Namek.
can't pixel scale using this map as it is not in scale and as such the distance between the 2 points is also not in scale, this map is officially rejected as being usable in this wiki in this thread, so to use to it to get the size of any distance, or the size of anything is a noOkay.
This is a globe from the Daizenshuu depicting the positions of some planets in the universe.
We can see the distance between Earth and Namek. However, this map has been replaced with this one, which we CAN use for scaling.
Then do the following:
- Use the previous map to pinpoint the positions of the planets (Earth and Namek) in the second map.
- Pixelscale, based on how the universe was scaled in the blog I linked earlier, the distance between Earth and Namek.
- Consider that it takes at least 18 days (Low End) up to 23 days (High End) to get to Namek from Earth with a space pod.
- Calculate Space Pod's speed
- Consider that it takes 5 days to travel from Yardrat to Namek.
- Low End: Low End Speed*5 days (in seconds) - Distance between Namek and Earth
- High End: High End Speed*5 days (in seconds) - Distance between Namek and Earth
I'm currently leaning toward simply using the bare minimum IT distance (Earth-Yadrat). While it is a possibility that Goku may have not been traveling in a straight line, I still feel like it's more likely that he'd be trying to go as far as possible due to him trying to stall for time.
Actually, we can somehow create a calculation based on the ideas that “The universe is divided into four galaxies” (Daizeenshuu 7: p.36) and that Namek is outside North Kai´s jurisdiction (which means it is in another sector of the universe) showed in chapter 329 of DBZ
Then we divide the number of galaxies in the observable universe by 4 and then proceed with the calculation using things like mid-ends, high-ends & etcetera
Sure.Actually, we can somehow create a calculation based on the ideas that “The universe is divided into four galaxies” (Daizeenshuu 7: p.36) and that Namek is outside North Kai´s jurisdiction (which means it is in another sector of the universe) showed in chapter 329 of DBZ
Then we divide the number of galaxies in the observable universe by 4 and then proceed with the calculation using things like mid-ends, high-ends & etcetera
Also, a interesting about it is that this is supported by the manga:Earth is located on the right-most edge of the North Quadrant, and Namek is located in the middle of West Quadrant based on the maps given earlier.
can't pixel scale using this map as it is not in scale and as such the distance between the 2 points is also not in scale, this map is officially rejected as being usable in this wiki in this thread, so to use to it to get the size of any distance, or the size of anything is a no
So, based on these factors:Yeah that map ain't to scale, can't get anything from it (from sizes to distances)
Actually, we can somehow create a calculation based on the ideas that “The universe is divided into four galaxies” (Daizeenshuu 7: p.36) and that Namek is outside North Kai´s jurisdiction (which means it is in another sector of the universe) showed in chapter 329 of DBZ
Then we divide the number of galaxies in the observable universe by 4 and then proceed with the calculation using things like mid-ends, high-ends & etcetera
Sure.
Earth is located on the right-most edge of the North Quadrant, and Namek is located in the middle of West Quadrant based on the maps given earlier.
Also, a interesting about it is that this is supported by the manga:
Which increases the credibility of the position of the planets given by the map
The calc is updated.I don't necessarily mind that myself. It'd actually be easier for you to edit your blog with that since you already have 50% and 75% as other ends
The calc is updated.
Done'zo bozo! Sorry, I forgor about itIf you put some credits for me I would appreciate it
Thanks for putting my name in it!Done'zo bozo! Sorry, I forgor about it
Have a nice sleep, Damage!Left a question on the calc but got to get off for now and get some sleep.
Done!@The_Yellow_Topaz You should also add the scan that says Earth is on the edge of the universe
Okay so... I don't see why we can't at minimum take the distance between Earth and Yardrat and then multiply it by the number of times IT was used across this distance. Vegeta is a literal newbie at IT and couldn't use it again after he warped to Earth in the Moro Arc. Granolah, who was zipping all over the place with, would 100% be able to do at least that much via being better at the technique.