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But it is also not alluded to that the range that gas can travel with the TI is lower than that of Goku other than in mastery in battle and in knowledge of Ki signatures.
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DBS Manga: God Tier speed upgrade
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No? Why would it? Gas didn't follow Goku for their first teleport jump; Goku teleported Gas there.
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At what point was it stated that Goku's sensory ability to sense ki signatures is superior to Gas's?
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Yes but after that he was literally following goku with his I.t he wouldn't be able to do that if his teleportation was inferior
The reason why gas wasn't able to go back was because he didn't know any ki signature to lock on but afterwards when he was in mid flight he was able to lock on goku and vegeta ki signature to teleport
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What is the distance if I may ask?
(just wanna know personally)
"Where are we?"
"Hey Jaco im glad you were nearby"
"You'd never be able to make it here wiith your own version of instant teleportation"
It kinda matches his explanation. Gas can't do it on his own without Goku's Ki signature. Goku knows a lot of people's signature across the cosmos no matter how big or small. Gas needs Goku to travel across the cosmos.
besides Goku still needed multiple IT to make it back, implying Gas travelled back farther than Goku could sense Ki signatures back on Granolah's planet. So I believe its a question of Goku sensing range than Gas' superiority in IT.
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Was it stated that Gas could not return to the planet where Goku forcibly teleported him to the cereal planet?
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Because Goku is attributing their being here, to the mastery of IT. However, this can’t refer to range because obviously gas can follow him. IT is sensing somebody, and teleporting to them. If teleporting to them isn’t what goku is talking about, then sensing somebody is.
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Also just because Gas' IT is inferior to Goku's, what does that have to do with VEGETA who sucks at using it and is the subject of discussion?
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Yes, but that is because Goku knows more ki signatures throughout the universe than Gas and that is what I alluded to but it is different from the fact that Goku can sense the ki of people further away than Goku. Gas did not know Jaco or Monaka, which is why he could not return to those distant planets, unlike Goku.
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Do you guys not realize Gas only needs to be superior to VEGETA to teleport from Yardrat to Earth? Goku's line is meaningless for this comparison as Gas is a much more skilled user of IT than Vegeta
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Is the distance between yadrat and earth a galactic one?
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fr, vegeta can't even use it anymore lmfao, and gas was zipping all over the place.
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It was stated by vegeta that he won't use it because it is goku's technique he can use it to
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He can, he just won't
But yea, vegeta is basically the bare minimum of what an IT user can do, he barely learned it and used it just once after doing so
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No? That's not what that scene implies.
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It is literally what it is implying if gas didn't need any ki signatures to teleport than he could literally teleport from planet to planet in the planet cereal direction than just flying and wasting his time and energy also the fact he didn't know any ki signatures to lock on
Btw going to sleep so my replies would be late
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Also goku could be simply provoking gas to fall in his trap of goku getting him farther away from planet
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Don't worry about it, at this point I think we're discussing two different things.
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I don't think vegeta can use it anymore, he even said hes only fine with using it once, even if he can never do it again, implying he can't, but still, gas is definitely better
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As far as i remember, there is something in the daizeenshuu about Namek being in the other side of the universe
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Gas's Instant Transmission range possibly being inferior to Goku's is irrelevant because Goku could not travel back to Cereal with a single teleportation; he needed to backtrack through the planets he and Gas had explored up to that point, which means that the distance between the planet Whis was on and Cereal is, bare minimum, intergalactic.
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thats what i have been trying to say, idk why people are bringing up gas' range when it doesn't mean shit
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Personally it seems more likely to me that Goku backtracked through the teleportations he took to get there because he could already sense them / knew where they were so it was quicker and easier to make those consecutive jumps than it would be to try and focus on sensing someone on Planet Cereal.
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So, given we do accept ships and forms of travel that have no reason to be inconsistent as usable for stacking calculations, there is one way to figure out how far away Yardrat is.
We have the following information:
- Goku used the Ginyu's ships to land-crash on Yardrat (Chapter 336)
- The Ginyu's were programmed to attack that planet (Chapter 336)
- In Super, however we figure out the Ginyu's were already on the planet when they were called (Chapter 52/Super)
- It took the Ginyu's 5 days to arrive on Namek (Daizenshuu 7)
- It takes for the same ship 23 days to travel from Earth to Namek (Daizenshuu 7)
Even if we assume Yardrat is in the direction of Earth across from Namek (worst case scenario), it still comes up to 4/5ths of the way to Namek.
Which makes sense since Goku crash landed there.
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I believe SamanPatou and I have already voted against using that map.
I'm not saying you can't still propose it, but you'd need more votes supporting it.
I'm not saying you can't still propose it, but you'd need more votes supporting it.
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Neither of you gave plausible reasons to reject it, as far as I remember, a vote needs to have an argument to be valid.
Since the size (the actual only point brought up by both of you) isn't a factor at play on my suggestion at all, the argument is technically a strawman. The fact is, the map's description of where thing are in the universe is not contradicted and the existence of a newer one (which again, doesn't refute any of it) is no reason to discard the older one.
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It is not an automatic translation, automatic translation is Google, there you can choose several languages, in addition to English or Japanese, it is an official translation from the Dragon Super website itself
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Even with the map don´t being in a reliable scale it don´t see why it would affect the position of Namek in it
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Just because you don't believe the reasons to be plausible does not mean they weren't given. The votes are still valid.
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The reasoning is a false equivalence, comparing apples and oranges.
It's the same as a Staff saying: "Well, this map isn't usable because bananas are blue, I disagree", should I be counting their vote as well? No, I should not.
The sizes of objects in the map being out of scale are not related to the positions where each object is on the globe. In fact, the size of the planets in question are not even depicted, so why do you think I should be counting your votes based on a fallacious reasoning?
The votes are absolutely not valid.
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No depiction of scale being on the map and nothing to objectively scale the distance against is a reason to vote against it. You don't have to agree with it but you don't have the right to discount votes like that. If you don't like it, convince other staff members to support it.
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The map is only being used to depict the position of each planet on the universe.
What will be used for scaling distance is the map that's already accepted and used for size scaling.
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Scroll down to the bottom of the page and tell me what it says.
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That's reductive; I'll tell you what it says.
It says:
This site includes machine-translated texts. Please be aware that you might find some unusual expressions that are difficult to understand.
It says:
This site includes machine-translated texts. Please be aware that you might find some unusual expressions that are difficult to understand.
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Can you explain this bit? The timeline lists a lot of dates & information.
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It takes 18 days for Vegeta to flee from Earth and arrive at Frieza Planet #79
It takes then 5 days for him to go from there to Namek.
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Okay. I have a little issue with that but I think I would need to see the actual calc created for this in order to verify.
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Where is this shown?
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Well, maybe we'll get a teleportation distance in episode 17, where Goku's range is shown visualizing 5 or 3 galaxies, can't we use that to measure?
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It's at the bottom of every article.
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