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Nowhere in that scan is it mentioned that all these parallel timelines/universe exist inside another timeline.
Bare minimum we have U10 and U7 in the alternate timelines, the fact that U10 is still referenced that way should be self-evident that the 12 macrocosms still exist, but either way there’s still a timeline overarching multiple time dimensions, since U7 and U10 still exist bare minimum.
 
basically to dumb it down

Universe 7 has a time dimension (shown with the zamasu scan)

All the universes exist in a time dimension (evidence is there being other universe 10s of which Zamasu can travel from)
 
universe 7 has its own time dimension, so the fact that zamasu traveled to universe sevens past even though he's from universe 10 implies another time dimension.
Implies means there is no evidence that this overarching timeline exists? By this logic, every verse with alternate timelines should be low 1-c since they can use this same logic.

Bare minimum we have U10 and U7 in the alternate timelines, the fact that U10 is still referenced that way should be self-evident that the 12 macrocosms still exist, but either way there’s still a timeline overarching multiple time dimensions, since U7 and U10 still exist bare minimum.
You guys keep saying there is, but you haven't shown any evidence that it actually exists.


It seems you have met the requirements for the new standard.

Posting a scan that shows the overarching timeline actually exists would be a requirement that hasn't been met.
 
Implies means there is no evidence that this overarching timeline exists? By this logic, every verse with alternate timelines should be low 1-c since they can use this same logic.
changing the past of universe 7 does not affect the other universe sevens, only the universe 7 that it originally occured on. If there was no hypertimeline, that would not be the case.
 
changing the past of universe 7 does not affect the other universe sevens, only the universe 7 that it originally occured on. If there was no hypertimeline, that would not be the case.
There is no set logic or physics on how a universe is supposed to behave. It behaves so because the story makes it so. This isn't evidence of a hypertimeline. The only evidence of a hypertimeline is if the story says it exists.
 
Posting a scan that shows the overarching timeline actually exists would be a requirement that hasn't been met.
Honestly to mee this seems obstinate just to be obstinate but I'll assume you don't know much about the DB cosmology and entertain this.
Quoting from Zeno's profile.
Note: We consider the universes in Dragon Ball alternate time-spaces relative to each other, hence why Zen'ō is rated as 2-C, despite the events in the Goku Black Saga showing parallel timelines encompassing the whole of the multiverse.

The reason for this is that Universe 7 by itself has already been shown to contain parallel space-time continuums within its globe, such as the Room of Spirit and Time, which is still affected by time travel; which proves that the new timelines can encompass other space-times as well, and thus the events in the Future Trunks Saga don't prove anything in the way of the universes being physically connected.
There's not really any particular scan of direct mention of an overarching timeline encompassing multiple time dimensions or space-times but it's gotten from context and how whenever a new timeline is created it also carries on over and contains the multiple macrocosms which house their own time dimensions.
 
I doubt you need explicit wording for it. Are there any examples of that precedent?
There is no set logic or physics on how a universe is supposed to behave. It behaves so because the story makes it so. This isn't evidence of a hypertimeline. The only evidence of a hypertimeline is if the story says it exists.
 
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DBS Manga - Chapter 26: Zeno destroying the Future timeline.

As soon as Zeno destroys the multiverse in Trunk's timeline, the ring breaks.
Also, Future trunks and Zamasu come from the exact same timeline, which would not be the case if there was no timeline covering all the universes.
 
Whenever a new timeline is created there are 12 macrocosms.

Like the trunks timeline of the future, where there is his universe (universe 7) and universe 10 of future zamasu.

Or Goku Black's timeline, where it's a timeline in which Zamasu saw the universe 7 and 6 tournament, and switched bodies with Goku. Again, another timeline and again the 12 macrocosms.

Each timeline has its 12 macrocosms.
 
There is no set logic or physics on how a universe is supposed to behave. It behaves so because the story makes it so. This isn't evidence of a hypertimeline. The only evidence of a hypertimeline is if the story says it exists.
"It just works" is not a real argument tbh.

You can apply that logic to all feats, more specifically to those which imply higher dimensions
 
I doubt you need explicit wording for it. Are there any examples of that precedent?
You don't need explicit wording. You just need evidence that there exists a timeline structure that all the timelines exist in. It is that simple.

Honestly to mee this seems obstinate just to be obstinate but I'll assume you don't know much about the DB cosmology and entertain this.
Quoting from Zeno's profile.

There's not really any particular scan of direct mention of an overarching timeline encompassing multiple time dimensions or space-times but it's gotten from context and how whenever a new timeline is created it also carries on over and contains the multiple macrocosms which house their own time dimensions.
Explain to me how a verse can get a rating for something that has never be shown to exist?

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DBS Manga - Chapter 26: Zeno destroying the Future timeline.

As soon as Zeno destroys the multiverse in Trunk's timeline, the ring breaks.
Also, Future trunks and Zamasu come from the exact same timeline, which would not be the case if there was no timeline covering all the universes.
How does this prove there exists a timeline/time dimension that all the timelines and parallel universe exists in? It doesn't prove anything.

Are we seriously denying the existence of timelines in Dragon Ball now?
Timelines exist. But this thread is claiming the existence of an overarching timeline that all the timelines exist in. But no one has shown any evidence that this over arching timeline actually exists.
 
How does this prove there exists a timeline/time dimension that all the timelines and parallel universe exists in? It doesn't prove anything.
Whenever a new timeline is created there are 12 macrocosms.

Like the trunks timeline of the future, where there is his universe (universe 7) and universe 10 of future zamasu.

Or Goku Black's timeline, where it's a timeline in which Zamasu saw the universe 7 and 6 tournament, and switched bodies with Goku. Again, another timeline and again the 12 macrocosms.

Each timeline has its 12 macrocosms.
 
Are we seriously denying the existence of timelines in Dragon Ball now?
You can have multiple timelines and parallel worlds in verse. I don't see why would this in essence gives low 1-C.

So we basically are assuming there is "hypertimeline" in the verse without any specific implication, and we currently are we going for a solid rating? Not even for possibly rating, but a solid rating? Based on an assumption and not scan?
Whenever a new timeline is created there are 12 macrocosms.

Like the trunks timeline of the future, where there is his universe (universe 7) and universe 10 of future zamasu.

Or Goku Black's timeline, where it's a timeline in which Zamasu saw the universe 7 and 6 tournament, and switched bodies with Goku. Again, another timeline and again the 12 macrocosms.
Can you specifically tell me where exactly is low 1-C here? Having multiple timelines (that are, essentially, "multiverses") does not give you low 1-C.

So let me get this straight:

A multiverse has 12 universes, and we are giving low 1-C for this multiverse? This is how I exactly understand from your message.
 
You don't need explicit wording. You just need evidence that there exists a timeline structure that all the timelines exist in. It is that simple.


Explain to me how a verse can get a rating for something that has never be shown to exist?
It's shown to exist it's just based on context and how things would fit in with said context not some uber direct statement. This is just being stubborn and ignoring literally everything else. You're contradicting yourself here by saying it doesn't have to be explicit but also indirectly saying it has to be explicit.
 
Can you specifically tell me where exactly is low 1-C here? Having multiple timelines (that are, essentially, "multiverses") does not give you low 1-C.

So let me get this straight:

A multiverse has 12 universes, and we are giving low 1-C for this multiverse? This is how I exactly understand from your message.
What? No.

We are providing Low 1-C for the timeline.

Because each timeline encompasses the 12 macrocosms.

Destroying the multiverse - 12 macrocosms and the space around it would not give low 1-C, but rather the timeline that covers the 12 macrocosms and the space in which this multiverse is.

It's something talked about in standards.
This structure can then be generalized to any number of dimensions, which is why destroying a spacetime continuum is a greater feat than destroying only the contents of the physical universe (Low 2-C, rather than 3-A or High 3-A). For example, a higher spacetime continuum with two temporal dimensions (instead of just one) comprises a higher temporal axis that spans regular temporal dimensions that the entirety of 4-dimensional spacetimes, or equivalents to it are serviced by (This is similar to how the time dimension in a 4-dimensional spacetime continuum spans uncountably infinite 3-dimensional snapshots of the universe), qualifying it for Low 1-C. Unless fiction shows otherwise, a different multiversal temporal dimension spanning universes that themselves have their own time dimensions as well (not the same multiversal time dimension that services many Universes and is shared by them), or even a single universe with two active temporal dimensions, qualifies. The same applies to three or more temporal dimensions.
 
Future Zeno's existence debunks this counter-argument, we know Zeno doesn't live in the same universe, living in his palace outside the local 12 universes, and we know he lived in that timeline since when he destroyed it as it's stated MANY times
Exactly, the fact that places OUTSIDE the entire multiverse still get duplicated proves everything is under a bigger time dimension.
 
Just make your case clear and note down disagreements. This is going to on for several pages, with neither side convincing the other.
Fine. I will say this simply:

The overarching timeline as described in the OP would qualify for Low 1-C. However, no one has actually provided any evidence that this over arching timeline actually exists and at best the arguments have been that this overarching timeline is implied to exist based on the scans that say parallels timelines exists.
 
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