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D&D Adventurer WIP Blog Pt. IV
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Is the Modron civ going to be strictly modrons, or is it also going to include other members of Mechanus created by Primus?
Also, not sure how much it matters, but the low-tier modrons suffered a bit of a downgrade in 5e.
Monodrone (base modron): CR 1/8
Duodrone: CR 1/4
Tridrone: CR 1/2
Quadrone: CR 1
Pentadrone: CR 2
Also, not sure how much it matters, but the low-tier modrons suffered a bit of a downgrade in 5e.
Monodrone (base modron): CR 1/8
Duodrone: CR 1/4
Tridrone: CR 1/2
Quadrone: CR 1
Pentadrone: CR 2
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I think since we have composite verse stuff they still remain the same rating (referring to the lower tier ones), especially since no matter how low the CR they can harm the high-end 9-B adventurers.
And... good question for the civ page. I'd think they have access to anything they would normally have access to, so I say yes, they should get those.
And... good question for the civ page. I'd think they have access to anything they would normally have access to, so I say yes, they should get those.
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Hm...I suppose we should include Inevitables, then? Though this would raise a question for one in particular, as the Marut went from CR 15 in 3.5 to a whopping CR 25 in 5e.
It went from "basically as strong as adult dragons" to "easily an epic level threat in an edition that has trimmed their number". In fact, the 5e Marut is seems to function more like some kind of composite Inevitable as opposed to just the Marut of old, so maybe it would need another key? I'm not even sure.
Edit: Also, fun fact, the 5e Marut cannot miss. If you are within range and it chooses to attack you, you are hit and take a set amount of damage. The Marut does not give a **** about your AC or buffs.
It went from "basically as strong as adult dragons" to "easily an epic level threat in an edition that has trimmed their number". In fact, the 5e Marut is seems to function more like some kind of composite Inevitable as opposed to just the Marut of old, so maybe it would need another key? I'm not even sure.
Edit: Also, fun fact, the 5e Marut cannot miss. If you are within range and it chooses to attack you, you are hit and take a set amount of damage. The Marut does not give a **** about your AC or buffs.
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Yeah. Like I said before, the 5e Marut seems to have become more of a "composite Inevitable" as opposed to simply another Marut.
Which I guess makes sense, because neither of the other two Inevitables made it into this edition.
Which I guess makes sense, because neither of the other two Inevitables made it into this edition.
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While I'm thinking about it. I think it would be a good idea to have a blog or section of the explanation blog denoting default abilities granted by being of a certain existence in D&D. Devils have the Abstract Existence stuff, Demons have Soul Manipulation and apparently Law Manipulation and so forth. Granted, this requires weak laws to begin with- so presumably if another being protects them this would be nulled.
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As a note, I don't think that Primus actually created the Inevitables or anything. They were actually at war with the Modrons for a time and are considered a separate species.
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Wait I see why Azzy said they were part of the Modrons now. In 5e it was stated that the Inevitables are creations of Primus. So its just an outright retcon when those adventurers fixed the multiverse from 4e -> 5e.
However, imo, they still wouldn't be Modrons. They're noted as a different thing and they're created by a modron.
However, imo, they still wouldn't be Modrons. They're noted as a different thing and they're created by a modron.
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Would everyone be cool if before I go to sleep I change Mystra's page to just Mystra? Midnight is just an alternative name, should be left in the Name section, not on the title.
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I disagree. There's two Mystras. The original and Midnight, who took the name Mystra to make the transition easier. So its not a different name rather than a clarification about which Mystra the page is representing. As an example, its like Superman (Red Son). Its clarifing which Superman the page is talking about.
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I think there may be a reason to add Mystryl since she has this quote
> Unbeknownst to the Goddess of Magic, Ao long ago took some of her power and divided it up between other entities the demigod Azuth and several humans (including Elminster, The Simbul, and Khelben Blackstaff Arunsun). This both kept Mystra from becoming too powerful, and prevented any other being from gaining too much power from controlling her. Ao's actions incidentally granted the humans immortality.
Which heavily implies that she was a upper tier Greater God like Vecna or the Brahmin at one point. But OG Mystra is sort of a copy of Midnight Mystra in terms of profile abilites. Although I think her avatar had some nifty abilites.
I'm cool with keeping Midnight in that case, btw, wasn't even aware there was a second Mystra.
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> Unbeknownst to the Goddess of Magic, Ao long ago took some of her power and divided it up between other entities the demigod Azuth and several humans (including Elminster, The Simbul, and Khelben Blackstaff Arunsun). This both kept Mystra from becoming too powerful, and prevented any other being from gaining too much power from controlling her. Ao's actions incidentally granted the humans immortality.
Which heavily implies that she was a upper tier Greater God like Vecna or the Brahmin at one point. But OG Mystra is sort of a copy of Midnight Mystra in terms of profile abilites. Although I think her avatar had some nifty abilites.
I'm cool with keeping Midnight in that case, btw, wasn't even aware there was a second Mystra.
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Oh man, I was rereading the Fiendish Codexs in case I missed something since Bambu pointed out things he found and there's this statement.
THE LORD OF NESSUS
Asmodeus appears as a horned, red-skinned humanoid with a tall, lithe frame. He dresses in splendid robes and understated but elegant accouterments. Half-healed wounds erupt from his skin like the canyons that scar the Nessian landscape. These injuries are the result of an incident not usually recounted in the creation story.
In fact, Asmodeus's parting from the lawful deities after the signing of the Pact Primeval was not amicable. Once he had committed himself to residing in Baator, the deities physically cast him out of the upper realms, and he fell—and fell, and fell. Upon reaching the plain of Baator, he plunged through the nascent layers he had begun to shape. (In some versions, his fall created the layers, breaking the formerly featureless plain into nine pieces, which then arranged themselves into floating tiers.)
At last he hit solid ground but continued to fall, spiraling through rock and soil. The protesting earth of Baator tore at his flesh, opening scores of gaping wounds. Still he fell, until he could fall no farther. The point where he finally stopped was the deepest part of Baator—the Pit. The wounds that Asmodeus suffered in his dramatic fall have never healed. Though he manages to appear blithely unperturbed by his injuries, they still weep blood every day, and he has been wracked by constant pain for millennia.
As the unquestioned master of Baator, Asmodeus can work nearly any magic within its boundaries as an act of will. He can alter the forms of other archdukes, though he might not be able to slay them outright. (Whether the demise of Malagarde the Hag Countess was the direct work of Asmodeus or simply a bizarre death remains an unanswered question.) He can also reach into other realms and reshape them with the merest thought.
Souce: Fiendish Codex II: Tyrants of the Nine Hells pg. 73
Now this does sound like a solid 2-C feat, however, this is 3e and the Nine Hells were not infinite in that edition. However they were still huge afmeaning he at least shattered like 10,000 miles of rock when he was judo tossed to Baator.
THE LORD OF NESSUS
Asmodeus appears as a horned, red-skinned humanoid with a tall, lithe frame. He dresses in splendid robes and understated but elegant accouterments. Half-healed wounds erupt from his skin like the canyons that scar the Nessian landscape. These injuries are the result of an incident not usually recounted in the creation story.
In fact, Asmodeus's parting from the lawful deities after the signing of the Pact Primeval was not amicable. Once he had committed himself to residing in Baator, the deities physically cast him out of the upper realms, and he fell—and fell, and fell. Upon reaching the plain of Baator, he plunged through the nascent layers he had begun to shape. (In some versions, his fall created the layers, breaking the formerly featureless plain into nine pieces, which then arranged themselves into floating tiers.)
At last he hit solid ground but continued to fall, spiraling through rock and soil. The protesting earth of Baator tore at his flesh, opening scores of gaping wounds. Still he fell, until he could fall no farther. The point where he finally stopped was the deepest part of Baator—the Pit. The wounds that Asmodeus suffered in his dramatic fall have never healed. Though he manages to appear blithely unperturbed by his injuries, they still weep blood every day, and he has been wracked by constant pain for millennia.
As the unquestioned master of Baator, Asmodeus can work nearly any magic within its boundaries as an act of will. He can alter the forms of other archdukes, though he might not be able to slay them outright. (Whether the demise of Malagarde the Hag Countess was the direct work of Asmodeus or simply a bizarre death remains an unanswered question.) He can also reach into other realms and reshape them with the merest thought.
Souce: Fiendish Codex II: Tyrants of the Nine Hells pg. 73
Now this does sound like a solid 2-C feat, however, this is 3e and the Nine Hells were not infinite in that edition. However they were still huge afmeaning he at least shattered like 10,000 miles of rock when he was judo tossed to Baator.
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Dunno how one hits something so hard that it breaks into 9 timelines, but I dunno how this would work. If you assume fragmentation you can probably get a nifty number.
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So here's a big ol' calc image I made .
Converting everything to centimeters and assuming that they're like a cylinder that all adds up to
The feat in 2e or 5e would just be 2-C though considering the layers are infinite an all.
Converting everything to centimeters and assuming that they're like a cylinder that all adds up to
- Avernus = 4.0897652338848E+26 cm^3
- Dis = 3.1108781598681E+26 cm^3
- Minauros = 2.1336703022376E+26 cm^3
- Phlegethos = 2.0447339305919E+26 cm^3
- Stygia = 9.8988588246631E+25 cm^3
- Malbolge = 5.3159498825248E+25 cm^3
- Maladomini = 3.0727068167581E+25 cm^3
- Cania = 1.4446391613866E+25 cm^3
- Nessus = 8.0324148501177E+24 cm^3
- Total = 1.3432587e+27 cm^3
- Fragmentation = 8 j * 1.3432587e+27 cm^3 = 1.074607e+28 joules or High 6-A
- V. Frag = 69 j * 1.3432587e+27 cm^3 = 9.2684852e+28 joules or High 6-A
The feat in 2e or 5e would just be 2-C though considering the layers are infinite an all.
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UhQawsedf234 said:
Well no
Once you're affecting a space that has it's own time (we know Abyssal layers do since each one has a slot for different time on Planar Traits) then that's just up and Low 2-C. That's equatable to a fully fledged universe at that point.
TL;DR "fragmenting" time on a not insignificant scale is Low 2-C.
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Hmm. Okay then. If Azathoth agrees we can ask him to add this to Asmodeus' solar durability then.
"Durability: Country Level, likely Large Country level (Endured attacks from Zargon), possibly Universe level+ (In one possible origin his fall shattered Baator into different space-times)
"Durability: Country Level, likely Large Country level (Endured attacks from Zargon), possibly Universe level+ (In one possible origin his fall shattered Baator into different space-times)
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Dunno how to rate that then actually. Something like "possibly Low Multiversal level" or "possibly at least Unviersal level+" then?
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To add we know that he at least created some rather large craters from his fall, if he didn't split them entirely. So the feat could technically back either rating.
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Well since its confusing probably better to just stick with the "6-B, likely High 6-B, possibly 2-C" for durability.
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They rolled a Nat 1 for their consistency check
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Well almost done with the Modrons. Only have the special abilities left
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I belive I finished the Modron profile
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But before I post it, is there any obvious errors?
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Hey now. The Duodrone deserves a placement, even if it looks like an eldritch abomination.
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Finally found a image from 2e for the Quarton. So everything is updated from their 1e stuff.
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And here's the Modron profile
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