Cthulhu Regenerationn and other things

[Yobo_Blue]

Cthulu's Regenerationn sounds iffy to me, considering he's never regenerated from anything that level, and seems to have been put at God level just because he has been called one. Furthermore, his mind hax is way too strong for someone who has never successfully driven anyone insane.

 

[Delta3000]

His regen comes from scaling and the fact that damaging his physical form is seemingly irrelevent to him.

As for his mind hax he drives at least 1 guy insane in part one alone with dozens more implied to have suffered the same fate and all these people only encountered Cthulhu in their dreams.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Hes never been shown to have regenerated from anything beyond minor damage, and his mind hax haven't always worked.

 

[Delta3000]

You know this how exactly?

 

[Hellbeast1]

Do you have any evidence for these claims? If you do then we can have quite the discussion but so far we have nothing to go off of.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

His body is irrelevant. Cthulhu and his kin are not actually made of anything material, as we know it.

"It was curious to note from the pictured battles that both the Cthulhu spawn and the Mi-Go seem to have been composed of matter more widely different from that which we know than was the substance of the Old Ones. They were able to undergo transformations and reintegrations impossible for their adversaries, and seem therefore to have originally come from even remoter gulfs of the cosmic space. The Old Ones, but for their abnormal toughness and peculiar vital properties, were strictly material, and must have had their absolute origin within the known space-time continuum - whereas the first sources of the other beings can only be guessed at with bated breath."

"These Great Old Ones, Castro continued, were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape - for did not this star-fashioned image prove it? - but that shape was not made of matter. When the stars were right, They could plunge from world to world through the sky; but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But although They no longer lived, They would never really die. They all lay in stone houses in Their great city of R'lyeh, preserved by the spells of mighty Cthulhu for a glorious surrection when the stars and the earth might once more be ready for Them. But at that time some force from outside must serve to liberate Their bodies. The spells that preserved them intact likewise prevented Them from making an initial move, and They could only lie awake in the dark and think whilst uncounted millions of years rolled by. They knew all that was occurring in the universe, for Their mode of speech was transmitted thought. Even now They talked in Their tombs."

This is not surprising, considering Cthulhu is older than our universe. What he's made of is in pretty much no way linked to matter or the cosmos as we know it.

"The Thing cannot be described—there is no language for such abysms of shrieking and immemorial lunacy, such eldritch contradictions of all matter, force, and cosmic order. A mountain walked or stumbled. God! What wonder that across the earth a great architect went mad, and poor Wilcox raved with fever in that telepathic instant? The Thing of the idols, the green, sticky spawn of the stars, had awaked to claim his own. The stars were right again, and what an age-old cult had failed to do by design, a band of innocent sailors had done by accident. After vigintillions of years great Cthulhu was loose again, and ravening for delight."

>"never been shown to have regenerated from anything beyond minor damage"

...? His head explodes. And then begins reforming instantly.

"There was a mighty eddying and foaming in the noisome brine, and as the steam mounted higher and higher the brave Norwegian drove his vessel head on against the pursuing jelly which rose above the unclean froth like the stern of a daemon galleon. The awful squid-head with writhing feelers came nearly up to the bowsprit of the sturdy yacht, but Johansen drove on relentlessly. There was a bursting as of an exploding bladder, a slushy nastiness as of a cloven sunfish, a stench as of a thousand opened graves, and a sound that the chronicler would not put on paper. For an instant the ship was befouled by an acrid and blinding green cloud, and then there was only a venomous seething astern; where—God in heaven!—the scattered plasticity of that nameless sky-spawn was nebulously recombining in its hateful original form, whilst its distance widened every second as the Alert gained impetus from its mounting steam."

>"his mind hax haven't always worked."

He never uses his mind hax in the single canon in-person appearance he has. Everyone just goes insane because they can't comprehend his form, which defies our cosmos' notions of matter and force. He isn't actively doing anything, at that point.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

By his mind hax, I was referring to mind mash, which sometimes has taken alot longer to actually take effect, with Johansen still being sane enough to ram him it's just something that should be put on the page, since people assume it's instant. Also, regenerating from a obliterated he'd is no we where near the regen necessary for low godly.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

His head exploding isn't the justification for Low-Godly. It was just an example of his body instantly healing from more than "minor damage".

I honestly don't even know if his mind mash, at least in that specific form, should be considered its own power or a side effect of his very nature. Like I said before, he doesn't actively do anything in that instance. Most of the crew go insane due to his form contradicting pretty much every law of the universe they know, and Johansen kills himself later on due to the idea really sinking in.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Im just saying i havent found any evidence for low godly regen Cthulhu, and that the details of mindmash should be updated. His regen might necessitate a update considering there are no actual examples of him Regenerationn from his entire physical bodies destruction just that he could survive it.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

But yeah, that is more than minor, i just meant in comparison to low-godly

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

The idea for the Low-Godly is that, as posted in the quote above, the entirety of Cthulhu is not composed of matter. If you were to destroy all material parts of him, it would not actually cause him lasting harm. The Elder Things specifically needed to adapt and create new weapons during their war for this reason, as conventional methods didn't work on something that did not rely entirely on being material.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Cthulhu is a lesser Old One, barely registering his cousins. There are no canon feats of his physical body regenerating from that much harm, and i assume that his versus battle stats are based on his physical form. Just because it doesnt cause harm to his true being, doesnt mean that the physical representation of him would regenerate, just that it would not cause permanent harm to the being itself

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Except all the things mentioned refer explicitly to Cthulhu and the GOO of his league. This isn't scaling him to statements from The Dunwich Horror or something.

Again, it is not that he is somehow disconnected from what we physically see of him. It is that what we see and can interact with is only a portion of him. If we know this, we know the Elder Things were shocked by the fact they couldn't kill these things, and we know his body instantly reformed after having his head explode, there is no reason to assume his physical form isn't just going to reconstitute himself if the rest of him is unaffected.

The Mythos is not DBZ. Cthulhu is not going to be in some giant fight and show off all kinds of crazy feats. We know three things:

• Cthulhu is not a strictly material being.

• The material portion of Cthulhu's body can regenerate from harm that would be fatal to anything else with no ill effects.

• Every attempt by an unfathomably more advanced race to kill Cthulhu and his Star Spawn failed, and that this was because they were not strictly material.

If we know this, and that his Star Dpawn clearly continued to fight the Elder Things after their attempts to kill them, there is no reason we need to see Cthulhu fight and show off this power, or something.

 

[Delta3000]

You realize he could just regen from his true being kinda like the daedra in TES who have low godly regen because if you destroy their physical body they just rematerialise a new one in oblivion.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

We can't assume that Cthulhu can do that justbecause other characters can. Compare Voldemort, who's soul cannot die with Horucruxsome but he can't regen either. It's not fair to assume what his regen is capable of without feats.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

And his only feat is high to mid.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

...except we see him regenerate?

If the only thing to happen was him regenerating from the boat, that alone would be High-Mid. But we have actual context on why this happens and how other things have been unable to kill him in the past.

If you seriously want Cthulhu to show off regen in a fight, within stories by Lovecraft, you will be sorely disappointed.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Has his entire physical body ever been erased?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It doesn't matter. Cthulhu doesn't NEED his "physical body" to exist.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Can you explain the actual context?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Bexcuse the way you explained it it sounds like it was durability.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Can you explain the actual context?

...I posted it in my first comment.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

His head exploding isn't a very good reason for low godly regen.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

If Cthulhu doesn't need his physical body, shouldn't he also have Non- Corporeality?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yeach, but that only apply to most of him, so write that down.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

His body is irrelevant. Cthulhu and his kin are not actually made of anything material, as we know it.

"It was curious to note from the pictured battles that both the Cthulhu spawn and the Mi-Go seem to have been composed of matter more widely different from that which we know than was the substance of the Old Ones. They were able to undergo transformations and reintegrations impossible for their adversaries, and seem therefore to have originally come from even remoter gulfs of the cosmic space. The Old Ones, but for their abnormal toughness and peculiar vital properties, were strictly material, and must have had their absolute origin within the known space-time continuum - whereas the first sources of the other beings can only be guessed at with bated breath."

"These Great Old Ones, Castro continued, were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape - for did not this star-fashioned image prove it? - but that shape was not made of matter. When the stars were right, They could plunge from world to world through the sky; but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But although They no longer lived, They would never really die. They all lay in stone houses in Their great city of R'lyeh, preserved by the spells of mighty Cthulhu for a glorious surrection when the stars and the earth might once more be ready for Them. But at that time some force from outside must serve to liberate Their bodies. The spells that preserved them intact likewise prevented Them from making an initial move, and They could only lie awake in the dark and think whilst uncounted millions of years rolled by. They knew all that was occurring in the universe, for Their mode of speech was transmitted thought. Even now They talked in Their tombs."

This is not surprising, considering Cthulhu is older than our universe. What he's made of is in pretty much no way linked to matter or the cosmos as we know it.

"The Thing cannot be described—there is no language for such abysms of shrieking and immemorial lunacy, such eldritch contradictions of all matter, force, and cosmic order. A mountain walked or stumbled. God! What wonder that across the earth a great architect went mad, and poor Wilcox raved with fever in that telepathic instant? The Thing of the idols, the green, sticky spawn of the stars, had awaked to claim his own. The stars were right again, and what an age-old cult had failed to do by design, a band of innocent sailors had done by accident. After vigintillions of years great Cthulhu was loose again, and ravening for delight."

Because apparently no one read this part.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

That has literally nothing to do with regen.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

That has literally nothing to do with regen.

... ... ...

"Can you explain the actual context?"

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Your mean to my comment or your comment?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Your mean to my comment or your comment?

You asked for context.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Cnext requires explanation.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I said there was context given for why his head reforms and why it doesn't seem to affect him.

You asked for the context.

I posted quotes of "Cthulhu's material form is only a portion of him as he is mostly made of something that is not matter and from beyond our cosmos".

That is the context.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

If Lovecraft was seeing this thread, he'd call Azzy a cat. Meanwhile Yobobojojo would be a dog.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Jus to because a finger isn't a full part of someone's body, doesn't mean the finger will regenerate without regen.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Jus to because a finger isn't a full part of someone's body, doesn't mean the finger will regenerate without regen.

...What?

Again, we see the Regenerationn happen.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Weasy don't now if his regen is strong enough to regen just from his body being somewhere else, there's just not enough contact given.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Again, we have all the context we need. You are acting like this is a shonen battle anime and not a series of stories that relies almost entirely on descriptions.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

So essentially your stating that the format of a series allows us to walk feats.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

No, I'm saying that in a series where the most prominent way we learn about something is through statements, that we have statements telling us what we need from two separate sources in two separate stories.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Except that we have literally never seen norepinephrine heard a instance of Cthulhu regen ingredients a obliterated body.