Cosmic Garou + Saitama mftl+ change?

[ZillertheBucko]

While I have no issue with the low-end since I'm pretty sure it follows our normal standards for how we calc blitzs

it's not a standards thing, it's just the fact that the feat itself wasn't a blitz, it was like hundreds of separate blitzes within timeframes low enough to blitz garou, and even then only the punches themselves were the blitz, so we literally can't even say garou went from point A to point B in 0.001 seconds
so the entire original calc's ends are invalid, we just need to recalc it using the speed of the stones

 

[Sus]

Somewhat related, but isn't the suggested 0.0013 figure actually 0.013?

No its 13 milliseconds aka 0.0013 seconds

 

[Sus]

I know what fight it comes from, now I want you to ask explain how it has ANYTHING to do with the io feat at all

The feats are completely identical and its a sooo much safer assumption than frozen rocks

Either that, 0.0001 or disregarding the feat

 

[Recon1511]

We could calc the serious sneeze speed and scale Garou (and thus Saitama) to it idk

 

[ZillertheBucko]

The feats are completely identical and its a sooo much safer assumption than frozen rocks

The feats looking similar literally means absolutely nothing for a timeframe
this literally has no kind of even simplistic or compelling logic behind it
do not pull values out of nowhere just because you feel like it

 

[CloverDragon03]

No its 13 milliseconds aka 0.0013 seconds

Uh...

 

[Second22]

Pretty sure using the serious sneeze for the second feat is calc stacking

I don't think so, that was the speed at that moment anyway.

 

[Sus]

Uh...

My bad it actually takes place in 1.3 milliseconds

 

[CloverDragon03]

Ah okay

 

[Second22]

Hate to be a Debbie downer here but the third feat isn't usable. Garou created a portal to get back to Earth from IO and Saitama followed him through it. They didn't cross the whole distance by themselves.

Not referring to that feat, it was when Saitama and Garou were thrown at IO from Serius Punch^2. I added it because it might work. But it's not the main point. I'm not mind that.

 

[Sus]

The feats looking similar literally means absolutely nothing for a timeframe
this literally has no kind of even simplistic or compelling logic behind it
do not pull values out of nowhere just because you feel like it

Well to me it appears that the authors intended to make the io feat identical but superior to garou's

If yall think its invalid good luck figuring out a timeframe

Assuming the rocks were frozen is horrible wank compared to the assumption of intent but go on

 

[Sus]

Also if the first feat contradicted the speed of shockwaves on earth, why do you think the io feat would be consistent?

 

[Kin201]

i mean't after it, with the serious fart

Saitama wasn't thrown to the Sun. That's a misinterpretation. Garou sends him flying, opens a portal and goes through it (which leads to Earth). Saitama then farts and instantly catches up to Garou through the portal.

 

[Sus]

Saitama then farts and instantly catches up to Garou through the portal.

This sounds so unreal opm do be crazy

 

[Recon1511]

Just calc the serious sneeze speed and use that if this is invalid, Garou dodged it point blank so he should scale to it. idk

 

[Sus]

Just calc the serious sneeze speed and use that if this is invalid, Garou dodged it point blank so he should scale to it. idk

Garou was concerned as soon as saitama opened his mouth so i believe thats a case of aim dodging
And saitama wouldn't scale to the speed of his sneeze without evidence

 

[Thelastmlg]

Saitama wasn't thrown to the Sun. That's a misinterpretation. Garou sends him flying, opens a portal and goes through it (which leads to Earth). Saitama then farts and instantly catches up to Garou through the portal.

I forgot the portal, oops.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Somewhat related, but isn't the suggested 0.0013 figure actually 0.013?

It's 1.3 milliseconds rather than 13 centiseconds.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Well to me it appears that the authors intended to make the io feat identical but superior to garou's

If yall think its invalid good luck figuring out a timeframe

Assuming the rocks were frozen is horrible wank compared to the assumption of intent but go on

It's superior in scale, but that means less than nothing in terms of getting a timeframe

 

[ZillertheBucko]

bump
I think we're going to have to postpone the new calc method for later and just revert to ftl for now, all that really matters is that the current timeframe is wrong and invalidates the calc
finding a new one has proven too controversial, so I'm just gonna go ahead and say that it's no longer within the scope of the crt

 

[Damage3245]

I'm fine with just removing the calc, sure.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I'm fine with just removing the calc, sure.

The feat very much exists, even if it gets lowered into the ground, removing it is like the least sensical option

 

[Damage3245]

The feat very much exists, even if it gets lowered into the ground, removing it is like the least sensical option

The feat exists sure, it's just the calc that is in dispute.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I mean fair enough but the creator of the blog can also just adjust it as necessary once a timeframe is agreed on

 

[Epiccheev]

Nah, the feat is just Saitama and Garou manipulating protons to show us a spectacle.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

the feat happened, but it could have taken 10 seconds or something
without any timeframe we don't know if it's relevant. Although, of course there's always an alternative method, which can be discussed in a different thread

 

[CloverDragon03]

Why shouldn't it be discussed in this thread? This thread is literally about revising the feat

 

[Recon1511]

We can just assume a timeframe and make low, mid and high ends based on them no need to revert back to FTL

 

[ZillertheBucko]

We can just assume a timeframe and make low, mid and high ends based on them no need to revert back to FTL

That’s completely arbitrary
like, more arbitrary than any possible calc
the only thing we objectively could know is that it’s somewhere between 0 seconds and a few hours, since the sun hadn’t set
we have absolutely no direct timeframe information other than that to make an educated guess.

 

[Recon1511]

Yeah, educated guess, assumption, same thing lmao

 

[ZillertheBucko]

An educated guess is educated
in this case, guessing a random timeframe is not educated at all

 

[Qawsedf234]

Why shouldn't it be discussed in this thread?

Just do like, idk, five ends or something:

• 10 Seconds
• 5 Seconds
• 1 second
• 0.5 seconds
• 0.0013 seconds

Then we'll just decide what end to go with.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Just do like, idk, five ends or something:

• 10 Seconds
• 5 Seconds
• 1 second
• 0.5 seconds
• 0.0013 seconds

Then we'll just decide what end to go with.

none of those have any basis

 

[Qawsedf234]

none of those have any basis

The first three are all common ends to use for stuff with no solid timeframe, but an indication that it happened quickly and the rest come from inferior feats by inferior characters.

 

[Recon1511]

I mean even 1 second is a massive lowball considering how absurdly faster than Platinum Sperm Cosmic Garou and Saitama are lol

 

[ZillertheBucko]

The first three are all common ends to use for stuff with no solid timeframe, but an indication that it happened quickly

technically there is no indication, since the light is known to linger

the rest come from inferior feats by inferior characters.

this is not how logic works. Timeframes do not carry over between unrelated feats across massively different distances.

 

[LNZO19]

I mean even 1 second is a massive lowball considering how absurdly faster than Platinum Sperm Cosmic Garou and Saitama are lol

I agree, it's just that there really is not a reliable time reference to use.

Even the 1.3 millisecond feat doesn't work since the distance traveled makes it incomparably irrelevant compared to the I.O. feat. Additionally, to assume that both feats happened it the same amount of time requires a large assumption with no real basis other than the fact the Saitama and Cosmic Garou are faster than the prior - and to me this is an insufficient reason to justify using the time frame other than a desperate attempt at some type of scale. I mean at best I word argue that the I.O. feat would be at least faster than 0.0013 due to a natural logical and narrative progression of how much more powerful Saitama and Garou are than the rest of the cast but then you could justify any finite time frame faster which again is insufficient.

Unless someone takes the time to spot something or justify the preexisting calc I think it would be best to drop the calc completely and simply not use it as a reasoning for there mtfl+ speeds.
Sorry for the paragraph.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

how long would the feat take using their current ftl value? just wondering

 

[Qawsedf234]

how long would the feat take using their current ftl value?

0.0001 seconds

 

[ZillertheBucko]

0.0001 seconds

I said ftl