Cosmic Fear Garou vs Meta-Cooler (Not Grace)

[Kachon123]

That could easily be explained by Garou copying Saitama's strength over and over again before he was unable to keep up with Saitama's growth, and your argument make it seem as if he only copied Saitama once and relied on AD alone after that.

Again, this wouldn't matter to Cooler because Cooler will simply copy both Garou's copying and his AD by gaining his data

It literally can not because that is not how the ability works.

Your explanation doesn't mean shit because they manga's explanation debunks you're flawed interpretation.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

This fight is literally going to be another rehash of Garou vs Saitama, with Cooler being in Garou's spot while Garou in Saitama's.

By the time a new Cooler comes, Garou will already be strong enough to stomp the next one. This will keep happening over and over and over again until Garou realizes where they are coming from and destroys the source.

Not at all, because you keep missing one simple fact: Cooler's copying also copies his opponents abilities, meaning Cooler will get Garou's copying as well as his AD, meaning whenever Garou tries to evolve, Cooler catches up to him as well

And as Cooler have both limitless stamina and the Big Gete Star can literally send 1000s of Meta-Coolers at once, their sheer numbers will certainly overwhelm Garou even if their AP is equal or slightly lower

And Garou has no knowledge of the Big Gete Star so he won't realize they're coming from there

 

[Epiccheev]

While i'm not questioning the veracity of these arguments 90% of that is not implied in the profile at all and would need a quick CRT Weeklybattles style to be used in the match, by vsbattles standards.
The match can be put on hold while the CRT is done.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

It literally can not because that is not how the ability works.

Your explanation doesn't mean shit because they manga's explanation debunks you're flawed interpretation.

Then show the scans and how they explain it. You throwing words without proof means nothing

 

[Kachon123]

Cooler's copying also copies his opponents abilities

*After they get defeated

meaning Cooler will get Garou's copying as well as his AD, meaning whenever Garou tries to evolve, Cooler catches up to him as well

Proof that Cooler can copy abilites that come from God? Garou implied that the only people who can use those abilities are people who broke their limiter (fist that turned against God), and those who were blessed by him (fist of God)

 

[Kachon123]

Then show the scans and how they explain it. You throwing words without proof means nothing

Using common sense.

Saitama was stated to have an exponential growth, with it being shown on a graph. We see Garou's growth right under his, also exponential, albeit at a slower rate.

If Garou was just copying Saitama, there would be no curved line, just points at which Garou copied Saitama.

It's not rocket science.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

*After they get defeated

Proof that Cooler can copy abilites that come from God?

How is the source of the ability relevant? You first need to show Garou's abilities cannot be copied by someone else because his abilities comes from God or whatever

Garou implied that the only people who can use those abilities are people who broke their limiter (fist that turned against God), and those who were blessed by him (fist of God)

I don't see how the text imply that you need God to use these abilities

 

[Epiccheev]

Using common sense.

Saitama was stated to have an exponential growth, with it being shown on a graph. We see Garou's growth right under his, also exponential, albeit at a slower rate.

If Garou was just copying Saitama, there would be no curved line, just points at which Garou copied Saitama.

It's not rocket science.

That and the profile mentions "all previous abilities but to a greater extent" wich would obviously include all AD" feats from previous keys.
(Even if imo he should not have low-mid regeneration,flight and limb creation as he's never shown healing even cracks during the Saitama fight, his flight works through wings wich he doesn't have and he is never shown creating extra limbs even when it could have helped him.)

 

[Kachon123]

How is the source of the ability relevant? You first need to show Garou's abilities cannot be copied by someone else because his abilities comes from God or whatever

I don't see how the text imply that you need God to use these abilities

Because the abilities are specifically given by God.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Because the abilities are specifically given by God.

Ok and? That doesn't mean they can't be copied unless you show that someone else cannot copy them because they're given by God

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Cooler's most powerful attack caused a solar-scale explosion and briefly overpowered SSJ Goku, now imagine 1000 of those Coolers (enhanced) using the same attack concentrated at once. Garou won't copy jazz before the planet gets busted and he dies (and considering the BGS is normally located in outer space, well ya know the rest)
half of that stuff is on the movie, if you wanna play devil's advocate (also the clip where his RE goes into action)

watch from 4:50 to 10:50 seconds, it's where the fun begins fidos

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Cooler's most powerful attack caused a solar-scale explosion and briefly overpowered SSJ Goku, now imagine 1000 of those Coolers (enhanced) using the same attack concentrated at once. Garou won't copy jazz before the planet gets busted and he dies (and considering the BGS is normally located in outer space, well ya know the rest)
half of that stuff is on the movie, if you wanna play devil's advocate (also the clip where his RE goes into action)

watch from 4:50 to 10:50 seconds, it's where the fun begins fidos

Link isn't working

 

[Kachon123]

Cooler's most powerful attack caused a solar-scale explosion and briefly overpowered SSJ Goku, now imagine 1000 of those Coolers (enhanced) using the same attack concentrated at once. Garou won't copy jazz before the planet gets busted and he dies (and considering the BGS is normally located in outer space, well ya know the rest).

It's automatic?????? He would just copy the attack and then clash with it equally.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Link isn't working

ah, bad sign

 

[Epiccheev]

AD isn't given to Garou by God, it's something he's had since he started becoming monster. Only the Shakkei/modes wich is part of his cosmic awareness giving him better understanding of flow,wich is more of a skill/technique than a real superpower. and most of his god stuff except portal creation (wich he wouldn't have in his High 4-C key) he resists to the point of being able to spwan the attack from himself.

The only thing Meta-cooler really benefits from copying here are his RE and AD. (both being from unknown origin, but likely coming from his limiter starting to break during the Darkshine fight, wich is also linked to biology, since it affects his form.)

 

[ZillertheBucko]

They literally never stops coming, and can regenerate from partically anything. Also, their reactive levels works in seconds, going from being stomped by SSJ Goku, to overwhelming both SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta at once, after recovering once. And that's not to mention that while copying them, Cooler also got all of their abilities, including the reactive power levels the Saiyans also posess. Garou would simply get copied and Cooler will have his AD, on top of his abilities too

Doesn’t really matter, even with RE they’re still gonna get AP stomped and speed blitzed since Garou’s AD is exponential
Again, do you know what exponential even means? Eventually it’ll reach the point where garou could get billions of times stronger in the moment after cooler evolves.

 

[Epiccheev]

Gete star being a few kilometers away and there being many clones around also means using big AOE is a bad idea for the meta coolers, as they may friendly fire or catch the Gete Star in the explosion. (even if it's floating in space, a few kilometers means it's pretty much still partially inside Namek's atmosphere, and depending on it's size and gravity might the celestial bodies may end up crashing with each other.)

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Gete star being a few kilometers away and there being many clones around also means using big AOE is a bad idea for the meta coolers, as they may friendly fire or catch the Gete Star in the explosion. (even if it's floating in space, a few kilometers means it's pretty much still partially inside Namek's atmosphere, and depending on it's size and gravity might the celestial bodies may end up crashing with each other.)

Ki control, so not really

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

perhaps I should have used this feature before (watch from 4:50 to 10:50, those are the relevant parts of the fight anyway)
this is where the whole thing happens

 

[Epiccheev]

Ki control, so not really

I was talking about Gabs 22 saying "Cooler's most powerful attack caused a solar-scale explosion" and explaining why they'd have to restrain their attacks AOE

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

well I just bumped such thing, it has nothing to do with the rest of my argument whatsoever

 

[ZillertheBucko]

This thread should seriously not be in grace
This is what happens when everybody does the mindless “fra fra fra” before the opposition even says anything
And I’m willing to bet that over half the people that voted aren’t even gonna come back and see the new arguments. Incredible.
This is what happens when I leave for 2 seconds.

 

[SamanPatou]

That is correct, grace can't be called if the debate is still going on, regardless of the vote count.

 

[Epiccheev]

That and Meta cooler needs a CRT since his profile needs fixing and a lot of wording is just wrong in relation to how his powers work.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

That is correct, grace can't be called if the debate is still going on, regardless of the vote count.

votes agreeing with another member's reasoning are valid though

That and Meta cooler needs a CRT since his profile needs fixing and a lot of wording is just wrong in relation to how his powers work.

that's what people tend to assume when they don't have knowledge about the other character, which is bound to happen pretty often.

 

[Quantu]

Hmm. If this was parallel timeline Garou, with his portals then I have no doubt he would reach the spaghetti star before Cooler can do anything. As Garou enters Shakkei, he continually grows as well to hone to perfection as seen on the exponential graph, so he will leave Cooler behind unless he can copy his AD

 

[Epiccheev]

that's what people tend to assume when they don't have knowledge about the other character, which is bound to happen pretty often.

I'd agree if it was just vague. But Meta cooler's RE text literally says he gains resistance to the ability that killed him and becomes vaguely stronger, wich is definitely worse than giving no explanation, as it's actively wrong compared to what he does.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I was talking about Gabs 22 saying "Cooler's most powerful attack caused a solar-scale explosion" and explaining why they'd have to restrain their attacks AOE

You do know that AoE can be limited right? People in DB can make blasts as big as they need them to be

 

[Quantu]

That's what he's saying, Gilad

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Meta-Cooler in the process of copying also gains all of the opponents abilities, so when he'll copy Gatou, he'd also get his AD. Doesn't matter how "exponential" it ia, because once Cooler copies him, he also gain's Garou's own abilities to copy power and will have the same AD as Cooler

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

That's what he's saying, Gilad

Yes, but it made it seems like he was saying he can't use this attack because AoE when he can definitely do it as they can control their AoE range

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

I'd agree if it was just vague. But Meta cooler's RE text literally says he gains resistance to the ability that killed him and becomes vaguely stronger, wich is definitely worse than giving no explanation, as it's actively wrong compared to what he does.

by Cooler's own words:
''My body is monitored constantly by the Big Gete Star's main computer, any injury I might suffer is instantly detected and repaired, and whatever flaws in my design that allowed injury, are corrected''
basically he evolves in response to physical damage and whatever ability used at him, in this case since he has Garou's data he will play an uno-reverse card on him and, you know the rest

 

[ZillertheBucko]

votes agreeing with another member's reasoning are valid though.

Using fra would sound good at first, except in literally every thread the only thing it’s used for is people who don’t actually understand why an argument works or fails trying to give a uneducated vote, or just being abused to end a match quickly. I say that we should make it mandatory for people to actually explain their arguments in their own words and acknowledge the opposing arguments before their vote means anything. I could have literally gathered 7 friends who’ve never heard of one punch man to say “garou fra” and then nothing could be done about it. That’s pretty bullshit and easily exploitable

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I could have literally gathered 7 friends who’ve never heard of one punch man to say “garou fra” and then nothing could be done about it. That’s pretty bullshit and easily exploitable

Or maybe you should stop be so paranoid and just accept the fact that maybe, just maybe, people find the arguments for Cooler more convincing and thus vote for him. This kind of attitude will get you nowhere

 

[Epiccheev]

If i had to fix it i would word it as:
Information Analysis,Power mimicry, and Reactive Evolution (Meta-cooler's body is constantly monitored by Big Gete Star's main computer, allowing him to obtain data on his opponent's innate abilities and techniques upon touch. Said data can then be immediately replicated by the Meta cooler corps, allowing them to use analysed powers as well as gaining resistance to the abilities that harmed him and greatly heightening his power so he can respond better to physical damage by fixing flaws in his design).

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

greatly heightening his power so he can respond better to physical damage by fixing flaws in his design

considering what he did with Goku and Vegeta after he evolved, that fits more the bill

 

[Kachon123]

Voting Garou if it was not clear.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Garou's exponential AD is independent from his power mimicry. Garou was copying Saitama's strength at one point, but his passive AD was working at the same time, hence when the graph showed it being exponential.

His exponential growth was due to both his reactive evolution and power mimicry, it can't just be attributed to his AD

 

[Nierre]

So has this match boiled down to; Cooler overwhelming Garou and killing him with their massive AP advantage/taxing his stamina (since they have limitless stamina) vs Garou reaching and destroying the Star?

What happens if Garou destroys the Star? Will all the Meta-Cooler's die then and there? Or will they just be unable to be reincarnated again? Or maybe they lose all their powers?

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

What happens if Garou kills the Star? Will all the Meta-Cooler's die then and there? Or will they just be unable to be reincarnated again? Or maybe they lose all their powers?

Garou needs to destroy the BGS to permanently kill them, all of the Meta-Coolers are being produced constantly by Cooler's actual consciouness that is fused inside of the main computer