Gilad_Hyperstar
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Show me the scan. I want to see it being said explicably
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Continuation of Tier 3 Kid Buu discussions
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Ok, give me time to find the chapter number and send the scans. I don't remember exactly the chapter number.
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Chapter 25.
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Ignore. I don't know myself. It was something like "My mind is always on destruction".He wasn't saying his power increase if he thinks about destruction. It just the attitude of beerus.
Nullflowerblush
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Who exactly is stronger than Beerus again?
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Original Kid buu
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actually it's not 25. But he quotes "My mind thinks about destruction all the time, so my power has no limits" Which is basically what Vegeta quotes when he gets his ultra ego (that power has no limits and blah blah)
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This doesn't imply his power increases with time.
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But... why would original Kid Buu be millions of times stronger than present Kid Buu?Original Kid buu
Gilad_Hyperstar
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That doesn't imply what you said at all. Also a hyperbole
Nullflowerblush
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Who the hell is that?Original Kid buu
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I disagree with this thread. I would like the agreeing members to reply @Vizer04
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I don't think so, it fits perfectly with Vegeta's ultra ego. Except Vegeta needs to take damage, bills apparently gets stronger because he thinks about destruction all the time. But if that's a little vague, that's fine. But I don't think it makes sense anyway for bills to be the same level in 75 million years.
Nullflowerblush
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Oh, and on top of the Elder Kai relying on the Supreme Kai for the background check on Majin Buu in general, according to the "Chronology of the DB World", the Elder Kai was sealed inside of the Z-Sword an entire seventy million years before Bibidi and Kid Buu appeared and began wreaking havoc on the universe.
He was either literally talking out of his ass, or he was referring to Innocent Buu, which...
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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Again, that statement doesn't imply that at all. Ultra Ego's power boost also comes from Vegeta's own reactive evolution due to him being a saiyan. The same doesn't apply for Toppo's version of it when he uses his GoD form, so applying that to Beerus with 0 proof makes no sense
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is this canon or is it just a random site that caught on?
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It clearly does not apply to toppo, after all this is the anime version and does not exist in the manga. But about the evolution of Vegeta's ultra ego, I don't think he evolves just by being a Saiyan. I don't know if I understood what you meant, correct me. But so, the evolution of the vegeta ultra ego, comes from the ultra ego itself. It's true that the sayajin genes must help evolution be faster, but it doesn't change the fact that his ultra ego is the main point. But I agree in any case that this shouldn't scale to bills anyway. You convinced me.
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Perhaps the manga in the future will give more context, it would even help explain how bills in the tournament of power had been overcome by jiren and goku with his ultra instinct, and in the current saga he is above everyone basically. But I'm running away from the topic already, let's continue.
Nullflowerblush
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Translations of the Daizenshuu 7. I would go manually translate the scans, but I'm not at my computer right now. Here is the image, though.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Jiren was never said in the manga specifically to surpass Beerus. Only Belmod. Beerus was also in the manga shown to be the most powerful god, with only Quitela barely standing up to him after ganging up on him with the rest of the gods
That doesn't change the fact you base your arguements on reaches and headcanon to make these seem even slightly plausable
Vizer04
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He's not, there's only one Kid Buu, not two.
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But belmond was able to harm bills. He made bills bleed. And like I said, you convinced me. Information about evolving bills is vague.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Yes, and that's why we can't base the reasoning on vauge arguments and headcanon
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right. we can proceed then.
Vizer04
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So, you disagree now?
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Why are we making circles about this when Majin Boo was never said to be stronger than the one who sealed the Kaioshin? As DDM said earlier in his comment:
Above is saying that Beerus is not as bad as the current Majin Boo, not that Boo was stronger, but rather evil.
- しょ やたらめったら 強くてよわる~~~~~い ヤツがおってよ まあ いまの 魔人ブウほどじゃあ ないがな
- There was this guy who was really strong and really~~~~~evil, but not as evil as the current Majin Buu.
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Yes, I think the hyperstar arguments were enough for me.
Vizer04
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I don't know if "evil" is the right word for that statement since Beerus is not considered evil by anyone in the series. Gods of Destruction are considered merely neutral forces of nature that work to maintain the balance in all universes.
Vizer04
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"Likely/Possibly" 3-B rating:
Agree: 7 (@Vizer04, @God900, @Toby020, @Bossbrosish, @Tarang123, @MrHazama and @denisnic55)
Neutral: 1 (@Godernet)
Disagree: 5 (@Damage3245, @Aachintya31, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Eseseso and @Gogeta)
Agree: 7 (@Vizer04, @God900, @Toby020, @Bossbrosish, @Tarang123, @MrHazama and @denisnic55)
Neutral: 1 (@Godernet)
Disagree: 5 (@Damage3245, @Aachintya31, @DarkDragonMedeus, @Eseseso and @Gogeta)
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there was no such point in the pre-retcon, the Kaioshin directly compares him to not being as evil as Majin Boo, but if it is any help the sentence "強くてよわる" would be translate as "strong and annoyed"
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I think the argument is more so that Beerus used to be a lot weaker than he is now, but as I said. I think people are taking an inaccurate translations seriously since "Not as bad" doesn't mean "Not as strong".
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