Composite Human vs. Agent 47

[Jinsye]

Physically Perfect vs. Genetically Perfect

Both start within 20 meters of eachother and have an hour of prep w/o prior knowledge and are restricted to 9-B/9-C weapons

Speed is equal

Who wins?

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Damn, I was going to make this one.

 

[KLOL506]

Oof. This is a tough one.

Agent 47 apparently has a lifting strength disadvantage, but in everything else he trumps. Plus, seeing as even other comparable foes are nothing more than fodder to him, I might actually have to give this to 47, seeing as he routinely takes on foes with the same experience as CH.

In fact, 47 throws a mug. That is all.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

47 FRA

I'll also add that he has really good senses, plus he's a casual bullet timer if that helps.

 

[KLOL506]

On top of that, 47 has been shown to be capable of actually dodging bullets and viewing them in slo-mo, if that helps.

Agent 47 can also pinpoint weak-spots and where to shoot, so once he gets in a shot, it's game over for CH.

 

[Kredory]

Agent 47 via wallhax

 

[Moritzva]

I believe Composite Human takes this.

Composite Human is certainly far smarter and more experienced than Agent, and no matter how good Agent's stealth mastery is, Composite Human has the combined knowledge of every hunter, soldier, and assassin that's ever lived. His weaknesses in this fight are lower speed and stats overall. However, first, Agent's poisons or syringes aren't affecting him at all. As well, Composite Human is close to fast enough to dodge gunfire, so he won't be put down instantly. Composite Human will also have more versatility, as he can prepare a multitude of weapons and has expertise in absolutely all of them. He could easily bomb/grenade spam while abusing stealth after he realizes Agent's speed, which will happen very quickly due to Composite Human's intelligence.

Overall, I give this to Composite Human due to versatility, intelligence, stealth, and experience.

 

[KLOL506]

You're forgetting the fact that Agent 47 also has that kind of experience. And CH is nowhere near as fast to dodge any kind of gunfire for the sort. You'd need to be at least 250 m/s to get at anything near flintlocks.

Agent 47 can also spam grenades, you're also forgetting the fact that 47 has gone toe-to-toe with hordes of 48 clones who have just as much experience as CH, not to mention that 47 can fodderize them with just a mug.

 

[Moritzva]

CH has miles more experience than Agent 47. What are you even talking about? Composite Human has literal centuries of experience with generations upon generations of stealth and combat. As well, CH has the speed to slice apart 200 MPH BBs, I think he could manage getting out of the way of some, especially at 60 feet away (The original feat for slicing a bullet was around 30 feet).

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Agent 47 throws his suitcase gg

 

[KLOL506]

You do realize that Ort-Meyer made Agent 47 with those miles more experience, right? And 47 has dodged actual bullets from guns like the Desert Eagle, helicopters and whatnot. You seriously think that slicing BB pellets is actually more impressive than dodging Desert Eagle rounds?

 

[Moritzva]

Debate the actual point of none of your votes can be counted.

Also, yes, I do. Because slicing a bullet requires absolutely absurd speed, precision, and accuracy. As well, Agent 47 only has what he was given. Composite Human has literally everything.

 

[KLOL506]

In this case, no amount of skill is gonna be even close to get anywhere 47's AP, dura and speed. If 47 even pokes, it's GG for CH, not to mention that 47 can do anything CH can, but far better. It's referenced heavily in Hitman Codename 47.

 

[Moritzva]

Referenced isn't factual. Composite Human will notice his speed and decide it's best not to get into melee range, so no poking here.

As well, he only has peak human running speed without vehicles, and without a calc presenter Composite Human is likely faster than him while running, so that's another point to him.

How would Agent 47 beat superior stealth and explosion spamming, especially when a singular explosion from one of Composite Human's better weapons would blow Agent to pieces unless he spent his prep time making body armor that would still be broken quickly?

 

[KLOL506]

-Referenced in this context is factual because Ort-Meyer wanted to create an assassin with all the abilities of humanity with no weaknesses to make up for

-Agent 47 once outran several peak humans in the novels Hitman Damnation and Enemy Within.

-Agent 47 can use the same weapons, you know.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

47 has better dura, he tanked an RPG explosion that destroyed an entire room. CH would die from that with his 9-C dura anyway.

 

[Moritzva]

-Just because he wanted to doesn't mean he was able to compete with CH.

-How many of them were Usain Bolt?

-Less likely to, plus, Composite Human has better stealth mastery + enhanced senses to counter Agent 47's stealth mastery, so his bombs are more likely to hit home first.

 

[KLOL506]

-Yes he was, because Ort-Meyer succeeded in the end once he found out that 47 was capable of using his surroundings to his advantage without the need of listening to orders

-They were somewhat on par with Usain Bolt, if not superior

-CH's enhanced senses pale in comparison to Agent 47, not to mention that 47 can literally activate his senses to view CH frozen solid.

 

[Moritzva]

47 has better dura, he tanked an RPG explosion that destroyed an entire room. CH would die from that with his 9-C dura anyway.

Profile is wall-level. Composite Human could pick all the bombs that are highest in 9-B since he's not allowed anything more. Heck, maybe our favorite Goblin Slayer enthusiast could bring up dirty bombs here too.

 

[KLOL506]

47 can do the same thing. Hell, he just needs a mug. Or a screwdriver. With 47's Instinct, CH is just gonna be standing there frozen solid, while 47 tosses his screwdriver into the head or proceeds to shoot with his guns with a clean headshot. No way CH is surviving that.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Again, 47 survived an RPG that destroyed an entire room and casually got up after that. Both are restricted to 9-B weapons, and the strongest ones include the SMAW, CH's arsenal will barely scratch this guy.

 

[Moritzva]

But he doesn't, in-character. Composite Human, being perfectly optimized, will bring literally the best equipment he can without hindering himself. Agent 47 doesn't bring much outside of standard equipment without a really good reason to.

 

[KLOL506]

Actually, he will, since killing CH is the reason he has right now. While CH needs several grenades, 47 needs just a mug, or his briefcase (This isn't a joke, BTW).

 

[Moritzva]

No prior knowledge. On normal missions he brings standard equipment. On Composite Human's normal missions, he brings the best shit possible, because it's best.

 

[KLOL506]

Won't even matter, since you'll see 47 not even using those weapons, but rather, using household items to get his kills. He's that powerful.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

47 can bring anything he wants, and it doesn't matter what 47 brings since he's stronger anyway.

 

[Moritzva]

Cool. No evidence presented that he'd bring more than his standard equipment; in fact, you just asserted the contrary by saying he uses household items.

Meanwhile, Composite Human will act perfectly and bring the perfect assortment of weapons and bombs, most of which will critically injure Agent 47.

So his higher AP with weapons, versatility, better stealth, better enhanced senses, and better experience still stand. Composite Human wins.

 

[KLOL506]

Wut.

47 can bring whatever he wants, doesn't mean he'll always use them, since he does have to get out of there without drawing attention too. He also made use of sonic weapons that triggered avalanches.

And speed being unequal means that 47 essentially blitzes.

 

[Moritzva]

Provide evidence he'd go against character and bring weapons he normally doesn't bring to a fight. Because you've literally supported the opposite. I'm not sure if you're debating for or against Composite Human, since half of your points have been digging Agent 47 into a hole; saying he uses household items only further asserts he wouldn't come as prepared as Composite Human.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

He will be encumbered by all of his equipment, 47 just needs to use his surroundings, shoot him or beat him up and he's good as paste.

Again, 47 survived a RPG blast that destroyed a room and got up unharmed. 47 has better enhanced senses as he can see CH through walls or any obstructions he gets behind.

 

[KLOL506]

47 has no specifically set character. The Hitman series was built on that alone. That you'd be able to bring anything you'd want. And that every way you kill your targets in the game are all canon possibilities with no contradicting evidence whatsoever. Even IO Interactive stated this in numerous interviews too large in number to list.

 

[Moritzva]

Bring a calc, then. Composite Human could bring weapons stronger than the RPG, weapons borderline 9-A but not there, because he can.

Composite Human will bring all the weapons he can as long as he isn't encumbered. Hell, he could load the battlefield with explosioves in advance, or leave weapons for him to go to later, all because he can and he'd never settle for less.

Guess what? Agent 47 doesn't do this. You can't argue "no set character" when he has standard equipment and no matter what decisions are made, he has never brought such an over-the-top level of prep to a fight without very good reason.

 

[KLOL506]

47 can do this too. SBA dictates that 47 is also armed to the teeth for missions like this, and RPG-7 grenades never exceed 2 kg of TNT. This was accepted on a thread here.

 

[KLOL506]

What is in-character for 47 depends upon the players themselves.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

47 doesn't do this but The Agency does.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

They are restricted to 9-C to 9-B weapons. Most of the explosives in the 9-B category blow up walls, 47 tanks these kinds of weapons.

He can see the explosives he has hidden for him using Instinct, and he'll just avoid them.

 

[KLOL506]

And I see nothing stopping 47 from just shooting those explosives with CH carrying them. Even with a pistol, 47 is ridiculously accurate.

 

[Moritzva]

Okay. Just because the character controls the agent doesn't mean the agent wouldn't do nothing they've never done or even so much as considered.

 

[KLOL506]

47 never really does. Even in the novels he doesn't do it, surprisingly.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

What exactly is stopping 47 from throwing his briefcase and taking cover while the briefcase does the work for him?