Commandment of Piety vs The Wizard King

[Jibz]

Forgot to say this earlier, but yes i vote for Zeldris.

 

[Epsilon_R]

I need scans anyway Zeldris nulls Julius magic and haxes him to death lol

here and here

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Can somebody summarize both arguments? @Arnoldstone18 ?
Cause I'm not reading the entire thread

As of now.

The arguments are


Julius wins by evading all of Zeldris’ win con with future sight and teleportation and erasing Zeldris with several haxes as long as he gets past Zeldris’ god which I believe he can.

Zeldris wins by resisting with god and landing attacks with ON, sealing Julius’ magic too. Allegedly He can also with god and nullify teleportation with ON.

 

[speedster352]

Seems like a broken ability against Julius who's a magic user
Would it passively negate attacks like chronostasis?
Let me just read zeldris's profile

It should work however it uses nearly all of Julius magic to use that spell and he cannot teleport and attack at the same time.

 

[VsReferee]

Now I know where this layered power null argument comes from. lol. I thought Epsilon explained to you how much layered Julius’ power null is as well.



The scans are in this thread, page 5 of the thread I think from LoK’s post, I can resend it if you want

Pls do

 

[speedster352]

here and here

Zeldris can hax Juius to death soul steal and ominous bind and etc Also Zeldris now has spacial manpulation.

 

[Jibz]

iirc Merlin is unable to teleport when Zeldris used ON (not sure if it was him using ON casually or seriously i'll look into it later)

 

[Majinere566]

Isn't harnessing mana for mana zone through the use of magic?

 

[Epsilon_R]

Zeldris can hax Juius to death soul steal and ominous bind and etc Also Zeldris now has spacial manpulation.

Soul Steal in not in character, we said it mani times, even if it was Julius would stop time before that

 

[VsReferee]

Seems like a broken ability against Julius who's a magic user
Would it passively negate attacks like chronostasis?
Let me just read zeldris's profile

I resend the scans

Here is another one about "God"

here the impervious statement

 

[VsReferee]

Soul Steal in not in character, we said it mani times, even if it was Julius would stop time before that

The reason I said soul steal is because if you were in Zeldris situation and you literally can't tag opponent, why not try soul steal?
It's not in character for you but that doesn't mean you can't do it.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Isn't harnessing mana for mana zone through the use of magic?

It hasn't been stated to be the case

 

[VsReferee]

Seriously guys:

Has the layer argument something to do with power?
If so, how is Julius overcoming it with mana zone if even the strongest attack gets nullified?

Also I don't understand one's argument of nullifying being resitance

 

[speedster352]

Soul Steal in not in character, we said it mani times, even if it was Julius would stop time before that

Nope he will be imobile Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Longevity (Elite Demons live for 1,000 years), Self-Sustenance (Type 2), Magic, Extrasensory Perception, Body Control, Expert Swordsmanship, High ranking Demon Physiology, Curse Negation (Galand implied he could reverse the petrification effects of his own Commandment), Telepathy, Air Manipulation and Forcefield Creation with Ominous Nebula (Rotates his darkness at high speed, creating a vortex that draws others in), Paralysis Inducement with Ominous Bind, Mind Manipulation (Those who flee from Zeldris become his servants), Non-Physical Interaction (Can interact with souls), Spatial Manipulation (Broke Dubs' wall-less space), Rage Power (Cut down Mael in a fit of rage), Curse Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Aura, Fear Manipulation (The Commandments' auras terrified Hendrickson. His aura terrified the souls within Excalibur), Power Absorption (Can absorb others' commandments, which are demonic curses), Sealing, Power Nullification (Can seal the magic of others. Superior to 2 Commandments Estarossa), Resistance to Acid Manipulation (Hendrickson stated acid doesn't work on the demon clan), Existence Erasure (High level Demons can withstand the Goddess' Ark), Gravity Manipulation, Corrosion Inducement, Mind Manipulation (Demon World is a polluted and corrupted land covered by miasma, all other clan's minds and bodies are prone to rot and decay), Deconstruction (Superior to 2 Commandments Estarossa), Heat Manipulation (Withstood the heat of Mael's attacks)

Here

 

[speedster352]

Seriously guys:

Has the layer argument something to do with power?
If so, how is Julius overcoming it with mana zone if even the strongest attack gets nullified?

Also I don't understand one's argument of nullifying being resitance

Here

Zeldris has other haxes to win this

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Pls do

Here

 

[VsReferee]

Zeldris has other haxes to win this

Yea but he has to be able to tag Julius first right?
Julius having precog is TP all the time

 

[speedster352]

Here

Head canon repel can mean many things. If you have mana skin and are strong enough you can damage and destroy ancient demon

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

god nulls magic attacks. It worked on the archangels who resist power nulification and it's layered just read my posts

As i said prove it is layered and you're still not doing anything about it

 

[Jibz]

How many layers is Julius's power null resis. I asked before, but i never found a response (barrage of notifs :/)

 

[speedster352]

Yea but he has to be able to tag Julius first right?
Julius having precog is TP all the time

He has ON, omnious bind, Soul steal, spacial manipulation, night amp and rage amp and etc

As i said prove it is layered and you're still not doing anything about it

Nitpicking I am ignoring you now

 

[Jibz]

As i said prove it is layered and you're still not doing anything about it

we're trying too, it takes time to find scans.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Here

I know he has it, I said it's not in character for him to use it in battle.

Head canon repel can mean many things. If you have mana skin and are strong enough you can damage and destroy ancient demon

You're literally doing headcanon with your last sentence smh

 

[VsReferee]

Here

Aah finally

But hold on. If I read it, I understand it as:

The demon can repel magic becasue he is an enormous mass of supercharged magic

he is not nullifying anything.

 

[speedster352]

How many layers is Julius's power null resis. I asked before, but i never found a response (barrage of notifs :/)

Not much he only has baseline resitance with mana skin and 2 with mana zone that's all Zeldris has 8 layers

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Seriously guys:

Has the layer argument something to do with power?
If so, how is Julius overcoming it with mana zone if even the strongest attack gets nullified?

Also I don't understand one's argument of nullifying being resitance

Because the GOD ability depends on it if it's layered or not if it is it's a g if it isn't he's ******

 

[Majinere566]

It hasn't been stated to be the case

Is it implied tho?

 

[Jibz]

Here

is repelling, nullifying in this wiki? I'm actually confused now.

 

[Majinere566]

Didn't speedster give a layered argument like 3 pages ago?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

So let me get this straight. Julius with future sight and the ability to stop time with massive range before Zeldris even does anything. proceeds to erase Zeldris. And yet none of Zeldris supporters seems to factor it in when discussing how he wins. I smell bias tbh

 

[Gumball_Ushiromiya]

I resend the scans

Wouldn't this null manazone as well? Cause i don't get the argument of if the Julius's attacks are nulled he could just use manazone when manazone is also a form of magic.

 

[Jibz]

So let me get this straight. Julius with future sight and the ability to stop time with massive range before Zeldris even does anything. proceeds to erase Zeldris. And yet none of Zeldris supporters seems to factor it in when discussing how he wins. I smell bias tbh

If we can prove layered power null all this is irrelevant. It's not bias (Atleast for me, i'm actively looking for scans for layered power null at Speed's request)

 

[speedster352]

So let me get this straight. Julius with future sight and the ability to stop time with massive range before Zeldris even does anything. proceeds to erase Zeldris. And yet none of Zeldris supporters seems to factor it in when discussing how he wins. I smell bias tbh

Meliodas repels magical attacks is he immune to magic? Flawed logic

 

[Rabbit2002]

This thread is a chaos

 

[Gumball_Ushiromiya]

So let me get this straight. Julius with future sight and the ability to stop time with massive range before Zeldris even does anything. proceeds to erase Zeldris. And yet none of Zeldris supporters seems to factor it in when discussing how he wins. I smell bias tbh

It's speed eq, before zeldris even does anything isn't a valid argument in this case

 

[Jibz]

Yeah can someone explain the justification for power null resistance to me, because repelling isn't nullifying.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

is repelling, nullifying in this wiki? I'm actually confused now.

That’s why I said read the thread in the first place

the word repel has many different contexts even in the dictionary itself. There are several panels of the demon warding off magic just by existing. Similar to god. Thus asserting the context of repel is resistance/power null. A restricted Julius is able to get past that.

 

[Gumball_Ushiromiya]

Anyways, I'm neutral rn
Till further points are made :/

 

[speedster352]

Meliodas repels magical attacks is he immune to magic? Flawed logic

Because the GOD ability depends on it if it's layered or not if it is it's a g if it isn't he's ******

I know he has it, I said it's not in character for him to use it in battle.

You're literally doing headcanon with your last sentence smh

 

[speedster352]

Meliodas repels magical attacks is he immune to magic? Flawed logic

That’s why I said read the thread in the first place

the word repel has many different contexts even in the dictionary itself. There are several panels of the demon warding off magic just by existing. Similar to god. Thus asserting the context of repel is resistance/power null. A restricted Julius is able to get past that.

Stop advoiding my counter