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Commandment of Piety vs The Wizard King

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Alright I'm back and I'm going to reply to most of y'all in one post

Majinere566 said:
Yeah I did check it out and saw resist, Then i checked oxford and i'm only seeing "to drive, push or keep something away." as the main definition, Then Cambridge which has the same stuff with the exception of this
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That is the Oxford dictionary for those learning English so it tends to use words that only nonspeakers will find easier to understand. Also using that same dictionary, I see "to successfully fight something that is attacking you" which non-English speakers would term "Resist" as they got more advanced.

Merriam-webster is the most accepted in my opinion. however, your Cambridge dictionary definition of repel seems synonymous to RESIST rather than REFLECT.

Majinere566 said:
But from what i'm seeing the word repel is commonly associated with this definition
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I am aware of this interpretation of repel.

Basically, you just want me to show you the demon resisting magic rather than attack reflection.

I have not found any reflection of attacks, just the devils merely showing magic resistance as Julius implied.
 
Majinere566 said:
Also Julius is the type of fellow to want to observe new magic, and when Zeldris starts with OMN I don't think there is a win con for him
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Julius isn't stupid, he has never done this in battle

Kachon123 said:
Zeldris starts out bloodlusted, while Julius does not.

By the time the fight starts, Julius would be trapped.
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He sees Zeldris as a threat via precognition. He will definitely be bloodlust as he has no business with him.
Kachon123 said:
How am I misinterpreting when it's verbatim on the magic description?

You literally can't debunk this because what I'm saying is objective facts. You're headcanon and bias won't allow you to admit that Julius can't win.
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You treat the text like a list of abilities rather than a paragraph explaining the premise.

There is nothing to debunk, you just need to work on comprehension skills.

Someone please look at what he sent and tell him that the ruler is simply a magic inversion tool. He keeps saying whatever attack, regardless of its nature of the attack being inverted and turned to heal, as long as it's an "attack" it will turn to heal and strengthen Zeldris. He says I'm biased so I want him to hear your thoughts on it. Invert =/= negate

Also Kachon you probably capped about Zeldris being thousands of years when he's merely a few hundred and was just trapped for thousands. biologically he is still a few hundred.
Nelliels said:
The Ruler will stop this as it’s been demonstrated to invert several types of magic, I see no real reason why it wouldn’t invert Julius’s magic and spawn a bubble on him. It isn’t necessarily a nlf as time magic in Sds isn’t too special, Merlin has it, some of the demons have it, so it too should get inverted. After this happens Julius precogs this and doesn’t even attempt to time bubble as it’d just trap him instead.
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I THINK THE RULER WILL INVERT TIME-REVERSAL TO TIME ACCELERATION :ROFLMAO:

he doesn't have it so we will never know.
Nelliels said:
ON will activate and it’ll pull Julius in, at best I think Julius can spawn the bubbles on himyself to protect himself from ON but idk how well it’ll work, another way is he can try sending the time bubbles or create a massive one but still it’ll be inverted. Julius’s lifting class is only 10 while ON has worked on class G characters so I really don’t see his way out of being sliced up by it.
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So much for this ruler.

since your hypothesis relies heavily on this ruler won't that makes most of this null? like the entire paragraph where this is from?

Nelliels said:
Ahh ok so nullification. yea ok my argument I think still follows barring the inversion thing. Julius will see his time bubble not work with precog and ON will activate pulling him in
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Not sure what this is tho. Magic resistance? Julius has magic resistance negation (proven by LoK and I) and layers of his own power null like Epsilon mentioned earlier. Precognition is typically for boosting reactions so he will see how dangerous ON is and bubble him before he activates it or teleport out of range before he activates it or time reverse the spell to non existence... etc

Overall Julius takes this tbh

Julius FRA

Goodnight guys
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
Julius isn't stupid, he has never done this in battle



He sees Zeldris as a threat via precognition. He will definitely be bloodlust as he has no business with him.

You treat the text like a list of abilities rather than a paragraph explaining the premise.

There is nothing to debunk, you just need to work on comprehension skills.

Someone please look at what he sent and tell him that the ruler is simply a magic inversion tool. He keeps saying whatever attack, regardless of its nature of the attack being inverted and turned to heal, as long as it's an "attack" it will turn to heal and strengthen Zeldris. He says I'm biased so I want him to hear your thoughts on it. Invert =/= negate

Also Kachon you probably capped about Zeldris being thousands of years when he's merely a few hundred and was just trapped for thousands. biologically he is still a few hundred.

I THINK THE RULER WILL INVERT TIME-REVERSAL TO TIME ACCELERATION :ROFLMAO:

he doesn't have it so we will never know.


So much for this ruler.

since your hypothesis relies heavily on this ruler won't that makes most of this null? like the entire paragraph where this is from?


Not sure what this is tho. Magic resistance? Julius has magic resistance negation (proven by LoK and I) and layers of his own power null like Epsilon mentioned earlier. Precognition is typically for boosting reactions so he will see how dangerous ON is and bubble him before he activates it or teleport out of range before he activates it or time reverse the spell to non existence... etc

Overall Julius takes this tbh

Julius FRA

Goodnight guys
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WIll The commandment not get him if he teleports away?

I still wonder how he negates god if even the biggest magic attacks won't work. His spells will simply be nullified right? Zeldris isn't resisting any magic with god
 
Y'all are going in too many directions at once

What the ancient demon did is not Attack Reflection.
I don't remember who said it but did you get to that conclusion because of Julius saying it repels magic? If so, you need to look at the context.

Attack Reflection is reflecting an attack back to the opponent.
The demon has never once reflected magic back nor has deflected magic whatsoever, it simply hits but does nothing to him. That's resistance to magic.

So Attack Reflection is a no. Now for Powernull, there's no instance of him cancelling magic either.
 
Now for Ominous Nebula.

I have trouble finding out why Merlin couldn't escape it with Teleportation. My guesses are that she couldn't teleport in time or that ON nullified her teleportation but this is merely my headcanon.

Assuming Julius can't escape it, what stops him from using Chronostasis and freeze Zeldris?
 
Epsilon_R said:
Now for Ominous Nebula.

I have trouble finding out why Merlin couldn't escape it with Teleportation. My guesses are that she couldn't teleport in time or that ON nullified her teleportation but this is merely my headcanon.

Assuming Julius can't escape it, what stops him from using Chronostasis and freeze Zeldris?
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But why do you think Chronostasis even works if Zeldris has God activated? It nullifies all magic attacks

If zeldris didn't have God, I would vote for Julius. But since he has it, I am wondering what Julius can do to attack him
 
Nelliels said:
check zel page. and from what I can or interpret, the commandments seem to have an aura that just induces feat. I did make an argument of how the fear aura won't work
here

But Speedster argued Zeldris's amps give him the advantage so it's likely to work.
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The fear aura worked on Arthur who was relative to them
 
Actually, they were testing Arthur out iirc. His attacks didn't do anything against those high ranked demons. But the many souls in the sword did retreat as result of fear if I am not wrong
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
Julius isn't stupid, he has never done this in battle



He sees Zeldris as a threat via precognition. He will definitely be bloodlust as he has no business with him.

You treat the text like a list of abilities rather than a paragraph explaining the premise.

There is nothing to debunk, you just need to work on comprehension skills.

Someone please look at what he sent and tell him that the ruler is simply a magic inversion tool. He keeps saying whatever attack, regardless of its nature of the attack being inverted and turned to heal, as long as it's an "attack" it will turn to heal and strengthen Zeldris. He says I'm biased so I want him to hear your thoughts on it. Invert =/= negate

Also Kachon you probably capped about Zeldris being thousands of years when he's merely a few hundred and was just trapped for thousands. biologically he is still a few hundred.

I THINK THE RULER WILL INVERT TIME-REVERSAL TO TIME ACCELERATION :ROFLMAO:

he doesn't have it so we will never know.


So much for this ruler.

since your hypothesis relies heavily on this ruler won't that makes most of this null? like the entire paragraph where this is from?


Not sure what this is tho. Magic resistance? Julius has magic resistance negation (proven by LoK and I) and layers of his own power null like Epsilon mentioned earlier. Precognition is typically for boosting reactions so he will see how dangerous ON is and bubble him before he activates it or teleport out of range before he activates it or time reverse the spell to non existence... etc

Overall Julius takes this tbh

Julius FRA

Goodnight guys
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Run away means the commandment of piety activates. Zeldris can activate ON instantly or if Julius keeps teleporting he can use ominous bind and seal his magic. Julius will just be wasting his magic since it won't work on Zeldris. Zeldris is has layered power nullifcation and pasive fear aura that worked on Arthur and Excalibur. Zeldris takes tbh. He has the abilities to resit Julius' magic and he can hax Julius to death.
VsReferee said:
Actually, they were testing Arthur out iirc. His attacks didn't do anything against those high ranked demons. But the many souls in the sword did retreat as result of fear if I am not wrong
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That doesn't lower their durabity and yes their fear aura worked on the countless souls in excalibur.
 
With the fear manipulation being discursed in another thread and that I don´t know how many votes for Julius were lost in the discurssion, you should wait to add this fight
 
Nelliels said:
check zel page. and from what I can or interpret, the commandments seem to have an aura that just induces feat. I did make an argument of how the fear aura won't work
here

But Speedster argued Zeldris's amps give him the advantage so it's likely to work.
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So can we have a hint on what the next match will be?
 
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