Commandment of Piety vs The Wizard King

[Quantu]

He's never made Chrono Stasis country sized, but it can range from human sized to this and probably bigger

Chrono Anastasis is a huge ass clock though, but he doesn't start with it (not like we have much sample size to work with but eh)

 

[Arnoldstone18]

He's never made Chrono stasis country sized, but it can range from human sized to this and probably bigger

Thanks

 

[Kachon123]

where is this in the manga and on his page?

The Demon King gave Zeldris the Magic Ability "The Ruler"

Here is what that ability does:

 

[Kachon123]

Appeal to ignorance fallacy. Bro. What?

This is not appeal to ignorance. You are implying that his fear manipulation is limited to people weaker than him, which it was never shown to be.

Zeldris' fear manipulation is superior to that of Galand's, which is superior to that of Sladers' which can effect people stronger than him.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

The Demon King gave Zeldris the Magic Ability "The Ruler"

Here is what that ability does:

So magic meant to erase him by time reversal will erase him by aging him?… interesting.

 

[Kachon123]

Ancient demons are pretty ancient and he could still erase a part of them in an instant with limited magic

Show a scan, also how old are these demons?

Let’s say you’re correct, Julius’ barriers immediately freezes his consciousness then erase him to nonexistence. Valid?

No. Not valid. "The Ruler" negates the effects. Once Julius tries, Zeldris just gets stronger.

 

[Kachon123]

So magic meant to erase him by time reversal will erase him by aging him?… interesting.

Not necessarily, but even if that was the case, Zeldris could still survive. Demons can live for over 3000+ years.

Selective reading? The image I provided literally said that The Ruler can make "all magical attacks and weakness," "converted into healing and fortification."

 

[Arnoldstone18]

also the balls (sus) don’t need to cover Zeldris entirely if he’s bloodlusted


but covering him will be needed to instantly freeze his consciousness

@Nelliels

 

[Kachon123]

Immeasurable speed Zeldris? Having precog would allow Julius to react faster than him as speed is equalized, right?

You're twisting my words. Zeldris has literally used ON against someone who tried to use Teleportation to counter it.

New Flash: It didn't work. Ominous Nebula blitzes.

Speed may be equalized, but amps are not. He has a 'higher' rating with "God,"which already puts him above Julius' speed, and with ON, he has an 'far higher' rating. ON blitzes Julius and kills him.

 

[Kachon123]

also the balls (sus) don’t need to cover Zeldris entirely if he’s bloodlusted


but covering him will be needed to instantly freeze his consciousness

@Nelliels

Lol? You're ignoring my points.

They will not work. No matter how much you argue, magic attacks do not work against The Ruler. Whenever Julius attempts to attack Zeldris, it will just heal and fortify him instead.

Also, your argument is assuming it will even hit Zeldris. He has a near blitz gap in speed, so the orbs hitting him is out of the question.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Show a scan, also how old are these demons?

Not specified iirc, but I’ll get back to you later

No. Not valid. "The Ruler" negates the effects. Once Julius tries, Zeldris just gets stronger.

You just sent how it works, it inverts magical effects not negate it. Or can you at least send a scan of it negating magic?

 

[Kachon123]

You just sent how it works, it inverts magical effects not negate it

You're either illiterate, or are you choosing to ignore what I sent you. It has two abilities. To reverse/invert attacks, and to turn attacks into healing and/or fortification. It's not limited to one.

 

[Kachon123]

It also literally says in the same image that I sent earlier, that he can deactivate the inversion.

Learn to read and come with good arguments instead of blindly voting because of character preference, despite 4 previous pages that have already debunked the things you call "valid points."

 

[Arnoldstone18]

You're twisting my words. Zeldris has literally used ON against someone who tried to use Teleportation to counter it.

New Flash: It didn't work. Ominous Nebula blitzes.

Speed may be equalized, but amps are not. He has a 'higher' rating with "God,"which already puts him above Julius' speed, and with ON, he has an 'far higher' rating. ON blitzes Julius and kills him.

You said he surpassed teleportation, what does that even mean? I interpreted it the best way I could. So sorry if I twisted your words.

The only reason it didn’t work for her was because she was not fast enough to teleport before he activated it. Julius is with precognition.

Lol? You're ignoring my points.

No lol, I was responding to his previous question

plus I don’t believe the ruler works the way you think, especially after reading what you sent from a source. It simply inverses magical effects. Not negate.

 

[Arkenis]

also the balls (sus) don’t need to cover Zeldris entirely if he’s bloodlusted


but covering him will be needed to instantly freeze his consciousness

@Nelliels

This scene is depicted as light blast in anime but point is those travel so that way is dodgeable.

 

[Arkenis]

Also this isn’t a bloodlusted Julius, so he may not even time reverse right away. We see Julius will hold back to capture people for information as well.

 

[Kachon123]

The only reason it didn’t work for her was because she was not fast enough to teleport before he activated it. Julius is with precognition.

Precog is not going to help him when Zeldris is literally close to blitzing him.

Speed is equal, but with ON, he is far faster. That is not equalized.

It simply inverses magical effects. Not negate

What the hell bro... did you not read these posts?

You're either illiterate, or are you choosing to ignore what I sent you. It has two abilities. To reverse/invert attacks, and to turn attacks into healing and/or fortification. It's not limited to one.

It also literally says in the same image that I sent earlier, that he can deactivate the inversion.

 

[Kachon123]

I'm going to stop debating against you

You're arguments have been debunked, and until you come up with valid points, your Julius vote is null.

Incase I haven't said it earlier, Zeldris FRA.

 

[Majinere566]

Repel in the first definition from Merriam Webster is repulse or resist. Can check it out urself mate.

Judging from how magic reacts when it hits them, it’s reasonable to infer the correct interpretation would be resist

power null or magic resistance.

Yeah I did check it out and saw resist, Then i checked oxford and i'm only seeing "to drive, push or keep something away." as the main definition, Then Cambridge which has the same stuff with the exception of this

(of a material) to not allow a substance to be absorbed into it:
This coat has a special surface that repels moisture.
The sprays contain a water repelling ingredient known as a fluoropolyme

So it's up in the air what is what. But from what i'm seeing the word repel is commonly associated with this definition

drive or force (an attack or attacker) back or away.

Unless there's evidence in the manga that shows repel in this context being your assertion because from what i'm seeing in this

The "repel", for example, is represented like this

I could just interpret this as the ancient demon no selling an attack of someone who's much weaker. Unless i'm missing the context.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

You're either illiterate, or are you choosing to ignore what I sent you. It has two abilities. To reverse/invert attacks, and to turn attacks into healing and/or fortification. It's not limited to one.

BRO, LOOK AT THE PREMISE… “it allows the user to invert magical attacks”
If the attack damages, it will heal instead. If magic invokes weakness it fortifies instead. DUE TO MAGIC INVERSION.

if healing magic is used what will happen?
If fortification magic is used what will happen?

Is it just me?? I think even speedster mentioned this earlier but it was probably shot down.idk.

 

[Kachon123]

BRO, LOOK AT THE PREMISE… “it allows the user to invert magical attacks”

Look. At. The. Last. Sentence.

HE CAN DEACTIVATE THE INVERSION.

IT ALSO LITERALLY SAYS THAT IT ALSO TURN ATTACK TECHNIQUES INTO HEALING AND FORTIFICATION.

 

[Majinere566]

Also Julius is the type of fellow to want to observe new magic, and when Zeldris starts with OMN I don't think there is a win con for him

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Also this isn’t a bloodlusted Julius, so he may not even time reverse right away. We see Julius will hold back to capture people for information as well.

But Zeldris is just in his way, he will instantly switch to bloodlust since he has no need for him right?

 

[Majinere566]

Chill out guys

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Look. At. The. Last. Sentence.

HE CAN DEACTIVATE THE INVERSION.

IT ALSO LITERALLY SAYS THAT IT ALSO TURN ATTACK TECHNIQUES INTO HEALING AND FORTIFICATION.

Oh...

This just means he can turn it off when in a beneficial situation

“IT ALSO LITERALLY SAYS THAT IT ALSO TURN ATTACK TECHNIQUES INTO HEALING AND FORTIFICATION.”

You are misinterpreting your own scan now... i don’t think I can change your mind. hope someone else will.

 

[Kachon123]

But Zeldris is just in his way, he will instantly switch to bloodlust since he has no need for him right?

Zeldris starts out bloodlusted, while Julius does not.

By the time the fight starts, Julius would be trapped.

 

[Kachon123]

You are misinterpreting your own scan now... i don’t think I can change your mind. hope someone else will.

How am I misinterpreting when it's verbatim on the magic description?

You literally can't debunk this because what I'm saying is objective facts. You're headcanon and bias won't allow you to admit that Julius can't win.

Better luck next thread.

 

[Majinere566]

Lucifero FRA:

Lucifero

 

[Arkenis]

Well I’ll give my rundown of how the fight would go, don’t wanna comment much more.


So for starters Julius’s form of fighting is pretty much time bubbles, time acceleration and teleport a lot. Given Zeldris’s form of fighting I’m kinda hesitant that he’ll drag it out, against Ludoshel is did sword combat for a little but since Julius doesn’t have that that won’t be happening here, another thing is that against Ludoshel he pulls out ON pretty quick likely due to how strong Ludoshel is, he will pull it out here. Julius will see this with precog and try a time bubble on him or his sword to prevent it. The Ruler will stop this as it’s been demonstrated to invert several types of magic, I see no real reason why it wouldn’t invert Julius’s magic and spawn a bubble on him. It isn’t necessarily a nlf as time magic in Sds isn’t too special, Merlin has it, some of the demons have it, so it too should get inverted. After this happens Julius precogs this and doesn’t even attempt to time bubble as it’d just trap him instead. ON will activate and it’ll pull Julius in, at best I think Julius can spawn the bubbles on himyself to protect himself from ON but idk how well it’ll work, another way is he can try sending the time bubbles or create a massive one but still it’ll be inverted. Julius’s lifting class is only 10 while ON has worked on class G characters so I really don’t see his way out of being sliced up by it.

Edit: Ok big boy zeldris does not have the ruler. Regardless the argument I think still follows with zeldris's ability of power nulling

 

[Majinere566]

Also this might be doing a little reaching but maybe in character zeldris can use ominous nebula and ominous bind or seal his magic power.

As he states here he would take down a lion or a mouse with all his strength, which means he isn't the type of guy to hold back at all, and since julius is a tricky type fighter, when he uses ominous nebula he has the option to restrain him via OMN or seal his magic

or this just presupposing he can even resist the pull of OMN which is able to pull characters that have a superior lifting strength to julius.

 

[Majinere566]

Well I’ll give my rundown of how the fight would go, don’t wanna comment much more.


So for starters Julius’s form of fighting is pretty much time bubbles, time acceleration and teleport a lot. Given Zeldris’s form of fighting I’m kinda hesitant that he’ll drag it out, against Ludoshel is did sword combat for a little but since Julius doesn’t have that that won’t be happening here, another thing is that against Ludoshel he pulls out ON pretty quick likely due to how strong Ludoshel is, he will pull it out here. Julius will see this with precog and try a time bubble on him or his sword to prevent it, The Ruler will stop this as it’s been demonstrated to invert several types of magic, I see no real reason why it wouldn’t invert Julius’s magic and spawn a bubble on him. It isn’t necessarily a nlf as time magic in Sds isn’t too special, Merlin has it, some of the demons have it, so it too should get inverted. After this happens Julius precogs this and doesn’t even attempt to time bubble as it’d just trap him instead. ON will activate and it’ll pull Julius in, at best I think Julius can spawn the bubbles on himyself to protect himself from ON but idk how well it’ll work, another way is he can try sending the time bubbles or create a massive one but still it’ll be inverted. Julius’s lifting class is only 10 while ON has worked on class G characters so I really don’t see his way out of being sliced up by it.

The ruler?

 

[Arkenis]

Lucifero

For MeMeS

 

[Arkenis]

The ruler?

yes.

 

[Majinere566]

Zeldris doesn't have the ruler

 

[Arkenis]

All magical attacks and weakness are converted into healing and fortification. Even the effects of other magical powers are completely reversed; per example, when Ban tried to steal Demon King's energy, he was forced to give his own to the ruler.

 

[Majinere566]

What Zeldris has is completely different

 

[Arkenis]

Zeldris doesn't have the ruler

wait what?? then what power does he have???

 

[Majinere566]

wait what?? then what power does he have???

https://cdn.watchoverlord2.com/file/mangap/3054/10287000/16.jpg

 

[Arkenis]

What Zeldris has is completely different

wait he does have power null though right?

 

[Majinere566]

wait he does have power null though right?

Yes, no magic attacks works on him