Cole vs Madara but Madara's in character use of mindhax isn't good enough for the job anymore so it has to be remade.

[Wokistan]

But it wasn't for the reason of winning a fight, it was for a completely unrelated cause. You can't assume he's trying to IT immediately when his goal is shifted to killing one specific dude rather than do what he had spent a century plotting.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Exept what a character would do in character does factor in. There is a reason Thunder killing himself is a vbiable logic, and he isnt doing it to win the fight. He does what he would do in character, but willing to kill while doing it, his goal did not suddenly become to kill that dude above all else, that is bloodlusted only

 

[Golden_Void]

I'll say it again and I'll keep saying it since it keeps going over your head...

"Madara never used IT for purely battle purposes"

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

And it not being purely battle porpuse is a non factor, because it is what he does in character. Characters mentality remains the same, and they will do what they would do. The gingerberg man will always try to get in a position where he cannot be eaten, thunder will always try to kill himself, voldemort will always boast etc

 

[Wokistan]

Madara's personality revolved around him wanting to IT his world. He's not in his own world here. Can't really assume he IT's random worlds, just as you can't assume a lot of tier 5s planet bust just because they planet busted a world that had some sort of significance to them before. Being suicidal is different. That's not really going to change with location.

 

[Bluetrekking]

UMR is correct.

We don't shift a character's motives just for the sake of a fight.

 

[Wokistan]

Thing is, Madara's character has to take into account that its a fight. You use whats in character for him while fighting. Did he open any fights in Naruto with IT? McQueen tried to kill himself in a fight, Voldemort boasts in a fight, Gingerbread man probably shouldn't have his personality considered that way, but Madara doesn't just planetary IT while fighting people.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

What are you talking about? He wanted to IT so all of humanity would be under it, he has no planetary sensing to know that this isnt his world and he will employ his normal strategies. Even then, ressurection makes the argument that he will not use it null

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Thing is, Madara's character has to take into account that its a fight. You use whats in character for him while fighting. Did he open any fights in Naruto with IT? McQueen tried to kill himself in a fight, Voldemort boasts in a fight, Gingerbread man probably shouldn't have his personality considered that way, but Madara doesn't just planetary IT while fighting people.

When he obtained it, yes he did. The moment he got the rinnesharingan going he activated it while fighting naruto and sasuke

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

UMR is correct.
We don't shift a character's motives just for the sake of a fight.

How am i shifting his motives? Its an action he does in character in this form

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

seriously, his actions once he became capable of using IT were:

Create limbo clones to attack naruto and co.

distract them with meteors

go up to the moon and use IT

 

[Golden_Void]

Because he planned on using IT all along. If he was truly going to use IT for purposes of the battle, he would've continued to keep trying to land it on Team 7 after Sasuke shielded them from the light. Then he got rekt by Kaguya.

 

[Schnee_One]

UMR what's your thoughts on this match?

 

[LordGinSama]

Yeah I gotta agree with Rice here.

 

[Golden_Void]

horrible

I already voted for Madara I think, but not for IT.

 

[Schnee_One]

I still think this is a stomp, but IT won't do the trick.

If he actually can't kill Cole I'd go inconclusive.

 

[Golden_Void]

I think CT might do it. If even Kaguya can't break out, while she has molecular+ and dimensional hax at her disposal, I'm not seeing how Cole can break out.

 

[Schnee_One]

Cole has Macro Quantic tho, not molecular

 

[Golden_Void]

Kaguya can cross dimensions / manipulate space-time.

If she's not leaving neither is Cole. According to the matter manip page, Cole would need Quantum manipulation to achieve a similar effect

 

[Schnee_One]

I don't even know how Quantum Manipulation would work tbh.

Anyway, probably a stomp.

 

[Axl233]

Man,the downplay here is hilarious.

Cole tanks his Truth Seking balls,teleports from his Limbo clones or either makes then float in the air with the city block range gravity manip and resist madara's genjutsu cause he needs the moon to multiply his control.

The only thing saving Madara here is Izanagi,When he runs out of it he is done for.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

What? The clones are in another world entierly, gravity aint affecting them.

No, hes genjutsus potency stais the same, and by sba the moon is out.

The izanagi last for at least a day

 

[Rocker1189]

Cole a Low 6-B tanks a Low 5-B attack.... Ok lol nice try. He can teleport from what he can not percieve. Or even affact. And Madara can just fly up to the moon if need be. I think you are the one downplaying hard.

 

[Axl233]

Define another world cause im read something were they can still get effected by things in the normal reality like a time stop.

His Genjutsu had only planetary range cause he used the moon to boost it if he focuses in only one person it will not have the same power.

Also izanagi is limited to some extent he cannot abuse it everytime especially when he gets sucked by a black hole that transmutate him into energy or dies of radiation poison.

Just because he is low 5B that doesnt mean Madara is gonna tank his hax plus limbo clones hit him he regens back,limbo clones grab him he teleports thats what im mean.

 

[Rocker1189]

Except they ont be because they dont exist on the same dimension.

It is planetary range because of the mon but the power is still the same and even if it was not it is still above Cole's resistance level.

It can Izanagi literally rewrites reality of the person using it. None of those things change reality even if they are hax.

He might not tank certain hax but he will tank most of the attacks Cole uses in character. And Limbo clones do not need to grab him simply oneshot him he can be sealed by Chibaku tensei anyway.

 

[Schnee_One]

This thread is shit.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Litiraly a world far away from the one he resides in, and aparently no one should be able to interact with it, not even obito, who can travel to pocket dimensions. They are unafected by both energy and phisical attacks that are not imbued with sage of six paths power.


No, that was brought up and debunked. Lack of range does not make something weaker. It is stated that the moon will only reflect it, you would need to prove that it gfets stronger with the moon for some reason.


Yes, he can. It can transform reality into an illusion, that is pretty much low-godly regen.


ÍYou said cole would tank madaras attacks,m wich is false. Worst comes to worst hell ressurect and use IT

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Here's what izanagi does:

Although the target remains physically real while fighting, this technique is capable of turning any occurrence including injuries and even death inflicted upon them, as long as the technique is active, into mere "illusions." Whenever the user receives a fatal injury, he or she will automatically fade away before returning back to reality; physically real and unscathed. The process is explained to have initially involved the administration of imagination, and the spiritual energy which forms the basis of Yi chakra to create shape and form from nothingness. Then, through the application of vitality, and the physical energy which forms the basis of Yang chakra to breathe life into the prior form.

 

[Axl233]

Okay,good point then.

Its only getting focused in one person the moon just boost its range so other people can get trap into,he normal genjutsus are not eveen above his level since he resisted mind hax from a girl that can control millions of people from a intire city.

Then make a content revision that puts Madara with low godly man, Because it would need feats of him being able to back up from Macro quantum transmutation or constant radiation poison.

Cole before he became the beast goes for the kill now he is a man with a goal to kill humanity as a whole and having no mercy doing soo he pretty much would use the best he got in a figth,yeah limbo one shots him and then regens back angry throws a black hole at Madara how about that?im think that he would probaly use it at first cause they are far away from each other.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Exept the potency of the genjutsu is one and the same. Lack of range does not make it weaker, and again, he can fly up to the moon


No, its ressurection, we do not give regen for ressurection. And did you read what the skill is? It litiraly creates matter out of notthin and puts their mind into it. And radiation can be overcome by high mid regen alone and even low-mid would keep it at bay for several hours.


Exept madara can just switch places with a limbo then, or just dodge vcia precognition, or use ressurection "which forms the basis of Yi chakra to create shape and form from nothingness. "

 

[DMUA]

This thread is shit.

Is there even a point for this to be open?

Limbo means Madara has free reign to do whatever he wants to Cole with no reprocussions.

 

[Schnee_One]

There wasn't even a ******* point REMAKING this, I honestly wonder what the heck made you think this was a good idea.

Heck, I wonder what made you think thread BEFORE this was a good idea after the travesty that Knight's thread was.

Seriously, it's ONE thing to not learn from another's mistakes and soon follow through on it, but then proceeding to make yet another one despite the shit that happens with Naruto and InFAMOUS threads?

I legit don't even.

 

[Rocker1189]

shrug lol

 

[DMUA]

I never recall thinking this was a good idea.

 

[Schnee_One]

Then why the **** did you make it?

 

[Rocker1189]

But then why do it...

 

[Schnee_One]

Rocker got Madara'd

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Correction:

Rocker got Madaradaradaradaradaradaradaradaradaradaradara'd

ovo

 

[Rocker1189]

Rip who knew the Madara wanker would get Madara'ed.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I would like to believe I started the whole madara'd thing, and I am proud of it