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Whether Kakuzu gets upgraded or not won't really affect the FRS. It'll still be treated as dura neg either way.
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Sippin' That Bijūice A lil Extra rn
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MinatoSparkle
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Kakashi specifically tried to pierce through it fully but the Deva Path pushed him away first.
Uh, no, he very clearly tried to pierce them here.
That means the arms are less durable than the torso.
Matched it in P1. There's several years between P1 and P2, it doesn't rlly make sense to assume Kisame stayed static.
His Shark bomb temporarily matched Hirudora which would probably be Bijuu level or above if calced.
Generations still canon
It clearly caused external bleeding.
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But the scene didn't happen in the manga (primary canon) so it can't be used, since we saw what really happened.
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By the way , since we are scaling rasa's sand to shukaky are we going to be scale the third kazekage sand to it as well ?
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This well be discussed in a future thread.
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Sorry , just getting too anxious
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I'm just pointing out disagreements with stuff directly said in the OP.
It's just an extension of the fight. It doesn't contradict the main story beats. Anyways, Kishimoto approved it, so that means he thinks the feats performed in the cutscene are valid.
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No, it being an extension means nothing since we already have what happened in the primary canon. It's very existence is a contradiction the what actually happened in the manga.
Regardless, I'm not going to keep talking about it since it's deraling the thread. My apologies.
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I just realized part of the Sasuke vs Gaara fight happened offscreen so it doesn't contradict anything, but ig we can talk about that in the scaling thread.
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The Deidara/Akatsuki - Bijūice debacle has been bugging for a while so it's very nice to see it finally being adressed, heavily agree with this.
Just to clarify here; would this mean that it's exclusively Base-Kisame who wouldn't qualify for Bijū scaling or isn't Fused Kisame applicable either?
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I guess he wouldn't necessarily have anything to disqualify him from being Bijū level by default, but even in his fused form, he has no Bijū level feats
Remember, there's no good reason to assume Akatsuki members have Bijū level AP by default. If they have feats or statements on that level, then they're good. But otherwise, they get rated based on their feats.
There are still minor contradictions, but yes, this should be left for later. Gaara and Sasuke have nothing to do with the OP.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here. You're gonna have to re-explain your point, if you don't mind.
Not necessarily, no. We see that the tip is lunged a bit into the torso. This is because Kakashi's just jabbing/stabbing the torso in a quick motion. He's not trying to impale them or anything, as that would hinder his movement and make him a sitting duck for the other V2s. He's trading blows with them here, not trying to plunge his arm deep into one of them.Uh, no, he very clearly tried to pierce them here.
That means the arms are less durable than the torso.
Think of it like this. If you just stab someone repeatedly in quick succession, you'll cut them a lot, but the cuts will be pretty shallow overall as opposed to one powerful stab followed by a big push.
Remember, to actually stabb through something you gotta stab and then push. The knife or cutting object won't automatically go through something on its own.
As for consistency, Kakashi's Raiton is just consistently on this level. He stabbed through Obito, cut his mask, and cut the V2's arms. That's 3 feats vs one that's not even really an anti-feat. It's consistent.
But anyway, I feel like we're derailing with this debate since I already agreed Kakuzu should only scale with the Iron Spear. I'll update the OP with that later today.
Unless you have a reason to assume he got stronger, as well as an actual Bijū level feat, this entire point is completely moot.
It got completely overpowered by Hirudora, like what-
And no, Hirudora isn't really impressive calc-wise, unfortunately. I don't think it even hit 7-A last time it was calced. Although, you'll probably have better luck asking one of the calc experts about it off-thread.
Okay? How does that not make it dura neg?
But anyway, again, this particular debate is pointless due to the conclusion we reached above.
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I know we aren't supposed to be talking about scaling other people but I have to bring up Deidara's Statement that Sasori is stronger than him because if I don't I'm not gonna ne able to sleep for the rest of the night.
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I think I should clarify that I'm not against Rasa scaling in some form to Shukaku; just not to Shukaku's Biju Bombs or his full power.
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Well, he clashed with Shukaku's sand and presumably subdued him physically, so he'll scale to Shukaku physically.
Deciding what the Bijū will scale to physically will probably need its own thread, since pretty much everyone in the OP scales to their physicals directly. I plan on making that thread after certain calcs are made and accepted. I'll probably do it before the power-scaling focused thread as well, so both topics get the focus they deserve.
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I disagree with everything being proposed here.Ngl, this is disappointingly uncontroversial
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Now we're talking
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Now we're talking
Give me a couple hours and i'll write down my 13 page essay on why none of these characters scale to the Bijuu.
Get ready nerd.
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BRING. ME. SPICE!!!
Give me a couple hours and i'll write down my 13 page essay on why none of these characters scale to the Bijuu.
Get ready nerd.
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Read through the entire debate.
This is pretty solid. I don't see any major contradictions, and you seem to have the Kakuzu stuff figured out (which I was going to disagree at first)
Yeah, I think I agree.
This is pretty solid. I don't see any major contradictions, and you seem to have the Kakuzu stuff figured out (which I was going to disagree at first)
Yeah, I think I agree.
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It's probably in the overall sense, not in direct power. Sasori clearly doesn't pack the power like Deidara's higher end explosions. Plus he uses poison which could ignore durability, so him "being stronger" doesn't mean he's superior to Deidara's overall firepower. Physical Strength, Speed, Intelligence, and abilities all could factor in when deciding "strength" in Naruto (Not all the time, but it's something to note)
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Yeah, and he also possesses the 3rd Kazekage's Iron Sand. It's definitely not a "Sasori's physicals are above Deidara's bombs" situation, as his power set is far too varied.
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It's very very very very ass
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Haven't read anything but the OP
But so far, it looks really solid
But so far, it looks really solid
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Thanks for the evaluation, Mitch.
That makes for 5 staff approvals (KingTempest, LordTracer, Damage, LordGriffin, and Mitch), 6 if you include me I guessbut I always find it cheesy when the OP includes themselves in the agreement pile, staff or not.
Not gonna close this yet, of course, but this is a promising start since pretty much all active knowledgeable staff have already agreed with most if not all of the proposal.
That makes for 5 staff approvals (KingTempest, LordTracer, Damage, LordGriffin, and Mitch), 6 if you include me I guess
Not gonna close this yet, of course, but this is a promising start since pretty much all active knowledgeable staff have already agreed with most if not all of the proposal.
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Light speed Black OpsNgl, this is disappointingly uncontroversial
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I disagree with this example. Ay in this scene was amplified by Oonoki, he increased Ay's weight at the time of the attack so that Ay's punch would be heavier and thus cause more damage, Ay alone does not scale for that. The name of the attack is: "Chō Kajū iwa no jutsu" The word "Kajū" comes from "Kajūgan no jutsu", which is the weight amplified jutsu.
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A was amplified by the same exact Jutsu in both instances, so it doesn't matter at all.
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In the second time he doesn't use the V2 armor, his hair looks like the V1.
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You really shouldn't put too much stock into A's hair. His hair flip flops between the two designs on a regular basis, even within the same page sometimes....
Kishimoto is pretty inconsistent with it, and it looks different depending on the angle. This is why we should exercise logic when it comes to it. There's no reason to assume A was holding back here, against Madara of all people.
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Bumperino
No rush, of course, but are we good to go or what?
No rush, of course, but are we good to go or what?
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I mean you got unanimous agreement, although ig there's no harm in waiting a little bit longer.
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