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Sippin' That Bijūice A lil Extra rn

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UchihaSlayer96 said:
I don't understand what you're trying to say here. You're gonna have to re-explain your point, if you don't mind.
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I mean that he pierced the outside of the Asura Path's armor, but he needed to completely plunge his Raikiri through it to reach the Deva Path, which he couldn't do in time. So the Asura Path's durability at least slightly scales to Raikiri.
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Unless you have a reason to assume he got stronger, as well as an actual Bijū level feat, this entire point is completely moot.
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FKS Kisame~V1 Bee~V1 Ay~3T Sasuke>Hebi Sasuke>3T Naruto>>Kabuto~P1 Kakashi~P1 Kisame

Also, Fused Kisame showed superiority to V2 Bee, who he initially thought had gone Bijuu, implying his chakra levels were comparable to Bijuu he's fought before. Plus, while I disagree with the argument, his shark bomb was low end relative to Hirudora which destroyed Edo Madara's Humanoid Susanoo, and a weaker Susanoo tanked hits from V2 Ay who's Bijuu level.
UchihaSlayer96 said:
It got completely overpowered by Hirudora, like what-
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It got overpowered eventually, but they were clashing for a couple seconds. Plus, Kisame withstood the explosion blowing up right in his face.
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UchihaSlayer96 said:
And no, Hirudora isn't really impressive calc-wise, unfortunately. I don't think it even hit 7-A last time it was calced. Although, you'll probably have better luck asking one of the calc experts about it off-thread.
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Still has that feat against Madara I mentioned before.
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Not more canon than the manga. 🗿
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Still canon
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UchihaSlayer96 said:
Okay? How does that not make it dura neg?
But anyway, again, this particular debate is pointless due to the conclusion we reached above.
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Cause that means it does physical damage in addition to cutting the chakra network

Eh, it doesn't rlly make sense for it to be Earth Spear when he needed to use a handsign for it against Choji, but his hands were kinda preoccupied with holding Matatabi's paw when it hit him. He flinched against Raido but that could've just been an instinctive reaction to a blade coming close to his eye. And him using it against Choji either makes Choji with that particular attack Bijuu level or he wanted to show his ability to them.
 
GokuSparkle said:
I mean that he pierced the outside of the Asura Path's armor, but he needed to completely plunge his Raikiri through it to reach the Deva Path, which he couldn't do in time. So the Asura Path's durability at least slightly scales to Raikiri.
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Mate, that's how stabbing attacks work. You need to plunge the bladed instrument into your victim. It's not going to push itself.
And, no, we're absolutely not going to scale the Asura path to an attack that literally went through it.
GokuSparkle said:
FKS Kisame~V1 Bee~V1 Ay~3T Sasuke>Hebi Sasuke>3T Naruto>>Kabuto~P1 Kakashi~P1 Kisame

Also, Fused Kisame showed superiority to V2 Bee, who he initially thought had gone Bijuu, implying his chakra levels were comparable to Bijuu he's fought before. Plus, while I disagree with the argument, his shark bomb was low end relative to Hirudora which destroyed Edo Madara's Humanoid Susanoo, and a weaker Susanoo tanked hits from V2 Ay who's Bijuu level.
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Kisame has absolutely no feats that'd put him on par with V1 B. All of their exchanges were Kisame absorbing his chakra and then clashing with base B.

Do I really need to explain why being superior to V2 B doesn't make you Bijuu level? Also, we never see Kisame fighting a Bijuu, so that's a pretty baseless assertion.

Again, Kisame has no Bijuu level feats. Just drop these scaling discussions, please.
GokuSparkle said:
It got overpowered eventually, but they were clashing for a couple seconds. Plus, Kisame withstood the explosion blowing up right in his face.
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All I see here is Hirudora literally going through the shark, and "couple of seconds" is pretty baseless. Kisame took a very tiny portion of that explosion.
GokuSparkle said:
Still has that feat against Madara I mentioned before.
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That's a scaling feat, I said it was ass calc-wise.
GokuSparkle said:
Still canon
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Secondary canon, which means it'll get dropped in a second if it contradicts the manga, the primary canon. It'll never, ever, take precedence.
GokuSparkle said:
Cause that means it does physical damage in addition to cutting the chakra network
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Never said it doesn't, given the fact that it produces a big ass crater and whatnot, but the damage done to Kakuzu is primarily through the countless cellular sized blades violating his body. The FRS does not scale to Kakuzu's dura.
GokuSparkle said:
Eh, it doesn't rlly make sense for it to be Earth Spear when he needed to use a handsign for it against Choji, but his hands were kinda preoccupied with holding Matatabi's paw when it hit him. He flinched against Raido but that could've just been an instinctive reaction to a blade coming close to his eye. And him using it against Choji either makes Choji with that particular attack Bijuu level or he wanted to show his ability to them.
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Weaving the signs is not a requirement, as we see him do it on the spot on other occassions.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
So we can start applying this stuff, right?
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Damage3245 said:
Not yet, no.

No specific alterations to the profiles have really been suggested yet. This is more about establishing a foundation for upcoming revisions.
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Damage is correct.

This is really only meant to establish that these specific characters scale, and get that accepted. This will serve as a foundation for the future revisions which will aim to establish potential scaling to other characters, update justifications and ratings, and apply it all to the profiles.

This will have to wait until we settle on what the Bijū will physically scale to both scaling and tiering wise, though. I'll make that thread once all of the calcs are updated and accepted, like I said. After all that's settled, the scaling thread should honestly be smooth sailing.

With that being said, I think this thread has served its purpose well. Should I close and add it to the accepted CRTs on the verse page?
 
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