Cataloging Tier 4 and Up Post-Crisis Feats

[DarkDragonMedeus]

John Stewart has better feats than that, there are regular GLs that can destroy galaxy sized things and sustain universes

Again, multiple Green Lanterns working together did Galaxy feats, and the entire corps working together can sustain the universe. But not one Post-Crisis Green Lantern as done that on their own.

This isn't even true, Superman and Diana did most of the lifting, Kyle just made a tunnel to help them

They attempted to lift him, and were partially in the process of getting part of him off the ground, but it was too much for them in the end. Also, you can see the green light surrounding them that they were being amplified by GL. Also, pages later in that same comic, Green Lantern managed to make use of that Tunnel to lift up his entire body; a feat that Superman and Wonder Woman's combined might couldn't do. This literally happens all the time, that people find those scans on random threads/articles but don't seem to know what happened in the rest of the comic.

Where does it say they would have individually ripped off a portion of the Earth and how does helping Superman lift the planet mean he's stronger? Superman's pull was cracking his construct while overpowering the pull of someone that had greater power than moving 2 universes. Superman has sent Hal flying before and did better against Parallax than Kyle did

It's not explicitly stated like that, but it's noted that it's dangerous to just simply attempt to move the Earth with your hands, which is why Green Lantern even wrapped a constraint around the Earth in the first place. He did slightly crack part of that constraint while he was pulling it with all his might, but Hal was also struggling to keep the constraint active and stable and was loosing a bit of willpower when he was worried Superman and the others might not have been strong enough.

 

[Firestorm808]

Flodo Span is a super unique context, and I'll be getting into it later.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Again, multiple Green Lanterns working together did Galaxy feats, and the entire corps working together can sustain the universe. But not one Post-Crisis Green Lantern as done that on their own.

They attempted to lift him, and were partially in the process of getting part of him off the ground, but it was too much for them in the end. Also, you can see the green light surrounding them that they were being amplified by GL. Also, pages later in that same comic, Green Lantern managed to make use of that Tunnel to lift up his entire body; a feat that Superman and Wonder Woman's combined might couldn't do. This literally happens all the time, that people find those scans on random threads/articles but don't seem to know what happened in the rest of the comic.


It's not explicitly stated like that, but it's noted that it's dangerous to just simply attempt to move the Earth with your hands, which is why Green Lantern even wrapped a constraint around the Earth in the first place. He did slightly crack part of that constraint while he was pulling it with all his might, but Hal was also struggling to keep the constraint active and stable and was loosing a bit of willpower when he was worried Superman and the others might not have been strong enough.

Where was it shown they were working together?

Also, you can see the green light surrounding them that they were being amplified by GL.

This doesn't mean Kyle is stronger

Also, pages later in that same comic, Green Lantern managed to make use of that Tunnel to lift up his entire body; a feat that Superman and Wonder Woman's combined might couldn't do.

This didn't happen, Superman and Wonder woman were the ones who lifted it to place it in the tunnel

It's not explicitly stated like that, but it's noted that it's dangerous to just simply attempt to move the Earth with your hands, which is why Green Lantern even wrapped a constraint around the Earth in the first place.

Which is not because Superman is too weak or weaker than Hal

He did slightly crack part of that constraint while he was pulling it with all his might

"slightly crack"

but Hal was also struggling to keep the constraint active and stable and was loosing a bit of willpower when he was worried Superman and the others might not have been strong enough.

Where does it say he was losing willpower? Him saying they're starting to lose ground is just him telling Superman to pull harder, and believing that they can do it if Superman tries. If anything, that's just him putting in more willpower

 

[Firestorm808]

John Stewart has better feats than that, there are regular GLs that can destroy galaxy sized things and sustain universes

The feats below have very unique contexts to what happened.

• Green Lantern Corps Vol 1 #219 December 1987
  • Does not scale to other lanterns. | Flodo Span expands around the MadGod Sector 3600 and compresses it into a ball.
  • The MadGod Sector 3600 was a god-like entity that controlled the entirety of Sector 3600. In their quest to bring order to the cosmos, the Guardians of the Universe created a warrior corps to police the stars. Each agent was given a space sector to serve and protect. Untold millennia ago, Space Sector 3600 contained trillions of sentient life forms. These life forms worshipped their gods, and their belief made the gods strong. The most powerful of these gods was TD:HD and with its incalculable power TD:HD was able to achieve absolute control over the entire space sector, ultimately fusing its essence with the entire sector. Now one with the universe, TD:HD became fundamentally unstable. In an instant, it killed all the sentients and other gods within the sector, including the sector's Green Lantern, Rasa Nekroy. The Guardians sent Cimfet Tau, one of the greatest Green Lanterns of his/her/its time with Palaqua and ten other members of the Green Lantern Corps to contain the MadGod Sector 3600. They never returned.
  • With thirteen Green Lanterns dead, the Guardians realized the threat was greater than their emerald warriors and so they took direct action against the sentient space sector. Thirty-six Guardians surrounded the MadGod, forming a net with their green light. Time after time they had almost completed their task when TD:HD spurted it out past them. In time, though, they managed to create a matrix and calm the sentient sector with their green light, causing it to cohere. It became rational once more and understood the Guardians were its masters. For a creature of pure mind, that understanding became all the Guardians needed to do to imprison the sector for the remainder of time. In the late 20th Century, the Guardians joined with their Zamaron mates, leaving the universe behind following the so-called Crisis on Infinite Earths. Before relinquishing their roles, the Guardians had the Corps imprison the greatest villains in known space in Sciencells on Oa. Sinestro, a former member of the very Green Lantern Corps he now opposed, discovered he was placed in a sciencell adjacent to the MadGod.
  • Green Lantern Flodo Span, however, was an abstract life form and did not have a physical body as his fellow Green Lanterns did. Seizing on the same plan the Guardians used, Flodo increased his size to grow large enough to surround TD:HD. Like the god, Flodo Span went mad with his omniscience, but when Driq's body was scattered across the cosmos, Driq's power ring pulled the dead Green Lantern's form together and also kept Flodo Span from scattering more, restoring the Green Lantern's sanity.
  • The Green Lantern had compressed the MadGod mind into a dark ball, not the mass of the Galaxy. It would be a super black hole if it was. When Sinestro went to investigate why the attacks on the Green Lanterns had ceased he was confronted by the Corps. He tried in vain to command TD:HD to merge its power with him but was ultimately captured by the Corps to face judgment on Oa.
• Anarky Vol 2 #3 July 1999
  • Not really an AP feat, just Law Manipulation.
  • "There is a breakdown in the Laws of Reality-- an aberration. The--Probably the entire universe--is in danger.!"
  • "The aberration isn't a living being-- It's a rearrangement of the laws of physics. It's in human form because that's the only way we can see it--"
  • "It's changing all the universal constants-- the speed of light, the planck length, the laws of thermodynamics-- on a small scale. But the changes will accelerate as it grows stronger.--"
  • "It has no purpose except to survive-- and it can only do that by changing our reality!"
  • The aberration has a sphere of influence that is getting bigger.
  • The aberration resists the duo's attempt to compact/shrink it.
  • Within the sphere, space and time are warped.
  • Anarky and Kyle are sent to a future where they don't stop the aberration and the aberration has fully grown.
  • "A universe where everything we know is changed. Not only into what we don't know, but into what we cannot know. Colors shift and slide like water. Darkness and light are the same thing. The laws of cause and effect don't hold. and reason no longer exists. Everything roils together in a maelstrom of eternal madness"
  • “Something you mentioned earlier got me thinking. The Planck Length. It’s the incredibly short distance that separates the sub-molecular world from the world of physical reality.”
  • "If you were able to use your willpower to amplify that distance, you would be able to act directly on reality itself!"
  • After amplifying the planck length within their protective bubble, they return to the present.
  • "Maybe we can wish the aberration out of existence!"
  • With all their energy, Anarky and Kyle beat the aberration, restoring the laws of the universe within the sphere.
  • Following the victory, Anarky's Green Lantern ring was lost.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

The feats below have very unique contexts to what happened.

• Green Lantern Corps Vol 1 #219 December 1987
  • Does not scale to other lanterns. | Flodo Span expands around the MadGod Sector 3600 and compresses it into a ball.
  • The MadGod Sector 3600 was a god-like entity that controlled the entirety of Sector 3600. In their quest to bring order to the cosmos, the Guardians of the Universe created a warrior corps to police the stars. Each agent was given a space sector to serve and protect. Untold millennia ago, Space Sector 3600 contained trillions of sentient life forms. These life forms worshipped their gods, and their belief made the gods strong. The most powerful of these gods was TD:HD and with its incalculable power TD:HD was able to achieve absolute control over the entire space sector, ultimately fusing its essence with the entire sector. Now one with the universe, TD:HD became fundamentally unstable. In an instant, it killed all the sentients and other gods within the sector, including the sector's Green Lantern, Rasa Nekroy. The Guardians sent Cimfet Tau, one of the greatest Green Lanterns of his/her/its time with Palaqua and ten other members of the Green Lantern Corps to contain the MadGod Sector 3600. They never returned.
  • With thirteen Green Lanterns dead, the Guardians realized the threat was greater than their emerald warriors and so they took direct action against the sentient space sector. Thirty-six Guardians surrounded the MadGod, forming a net with their green light. Time after time they had almost completed their task when TD:HD spurted it out past them. In time, though, they managed to create a matrix and calm the sentient sector with their green light, causing it to cohere. It became rational once more and understood the Guardians were its masters. For a creature of pure mind, that understanding became all the Guardians needed to do to imprison the sector for the remainder of time. In the late 20th Century, the Guardians joined with their Zamaron mates, leaving the universe behind following the so-called Crisis on Infinite Earths. Before relinquishing their roles, the Guardians had the Corps imprison the greatest villains in known space in Sciencells on Oa. Sinestro, a former member of the very Green Lantern Corps he now opposed, discovered he was placed in a sciencell adjacent to the MadGod.
  • Green Lantern Flodo Span, however, was an abstract life form and did not have a physical body as his fellow Green Lanterns did. Seizing on the same plan the Guardians used, Flodo increased his size to grow large enough to surround TD:HD. Like the god, Flodo Span went mad with his omniscience, but when Driq's body was scattered across the cosmos, Driq's power ring pulled the dead Green Lantern's form together and also kept Flodo Span from scattering more, restoring the Green Lantern's sanity.
  • The Green Lantern had compressed the MadGod mind into a dark ball, not the mass of the Galaxy. It would be a super black hole if it was. When Sinestro went to investigate why the attacks on the Green Lanterns had ceased he was confronted by the Corps. He tried in vain to command TD:HD to merge its power with him but was ultimately captured by the Corps to face judgment on Oa.
• Anarky Vol 2 #3 July 1999
  • Not really an AP feat, just Law Manipulation.
  • "There is a breakdown in the Laws of Reality-- an aberration. The--Probably the entire universe--is in danger.!"
  • "The aberration isn't a living being-- It's a rearrangement of the laws of physics. It's in human form because that's the only way we can see it--"
  • "It's changing all the universal constants-- the speed of light, the planck length, the laws of thermodynamics-- on a small scale. But the changes will accelerate as it grows stronger.--"
  • "It has no purpose except to survive-- and it can only do that by changing our reality!"
  • The aberration has a sphere of influence that is getting bigger.
  • The aberration resists the duo's attempt to compact/shrink it.
  • Within the sphere, space and time are warped.
  • Anarky and Kyle are sent to a future where they don't stop the aberration and the aberration has fully grown.
  • "A universe where everything we know is changed. Not only into what we don't know, but into what we cannot know. Colors shift and slide like water. Darkness and light are the same thing. The laws of cause and effect don't hold. and reason no longer exists. Everything roils together in a maelstrom of eternal madness"
  • “Something you mentioned earlier got me thinking. The Planck Length. It’s the incredibly short distance that separates the sub-molecular world from the world of physical reality.”
  • "If you were able to use your willpower to amplify that distance, you would be able to act directly on reality itself!"
  • After amplifying the planck length within their protective bubble, they return to the present.
  • "Maybe we can wish the aberration out of existence!"
  • With all their energy, Anarky and Kyle beat the aberration, restoring the laws of the universe within the sphere.
  • Following the victory, Anarky's Green Lantern ring was lost

Hal gained the power of most of the corps so he should be stronger than Flodo after that

We literally see Kyle and Anarky turn the universe from tiny planck length back to normal, its not law manipulation alone, and the abberation can survive the end of the universe

 

[Firestorm808]

Hal gained the power of most of the corps so he should be stronger than Flodo after that

We literally see Kyle and Anarky turn the universe from tiny planck length back to normal, its not law manipulation alone, and the abberation can survive the end of the universe

Flodo's feat didn't happen on a physical level. As I said before, MadGod is a creature of pure mind. Green Lantern Flodo Span is an abstract life form and did not have a physical body. Flodo increased his consciousness size to surround MadGod. Green Lantern Flodo then cohered the MadGod mind with his own back into a dark ball, like the Guardians before, not the mass of the Galaxy. It would be a super black hole if it was.

That's not what happened in the comic at all. Anarky and Kyle are sent to a future where they don't stop the aberration and the aberration has fully grown. Much like the Abberation, Anarky and Kyle tried to change reality within their sphere of influence (their bubble shield). After amplifying the Planck length from 10^-33 cm to 1 cm within their protective bubble, they are able to return to the present.

 

[Transcending]

Also it was stated that the Post-Crisis versions of the heroes are superior to their N52 versions. So we can probably use their N52 versions to scale as well

 

[Firestorm808]

Also it was stated that the Post-Crisis versions of the heroes are superior to their N52 versions. So we can probably use their N52 versions to scale as well

Source?

 

[Transcending]

Source?

Justice League Incarnate #4.

 

[LordTracer]

Also it was stated that the Post-Crisis versions of the heroes are superior to their N52 versions. So we can probably use their N52 versions to scale as well

The New 52 is probably gonna be downgraded to like, 5-A, so that’s not super useful.

 

[Transcending]

The New 52 is probably gonna be downgraded to like, 5-A, so that’s not super useful.

Oh, why are they getting downgraded?

 

[LordTracer]

Oh, why are they getting downgraded?

If I understand correctly, it’s because they consistently struggle with things far below 4-B and there’s only one 4-B feat in the N52 afaik, which is Mogo illuminating a universe, and that’s probably gonna get nuked since DC universes are going to be accepted as infinite soon.

 

[KLOL506]

If I understand correctly, it’s because they consistently struggle with things far below 4-B and there’s only one 4-B feat in the N52 afaik, which is Mogo illuminating a universe, and that’s probably gonna get nuked since DC universes are going to be accepted as infinite soon.

Oh shit, you're right, completely forgot about High 3-A universes.

 

[Transcending]

If I understand correctly, it’s because they consistently struggle with things far below 4-B and there’s only one 4-B feat in the N52 afaik, which is Mogo illuminating a universe, and that’s probably gonna get nuked since DC universes are going to be accepted as infinite soon.

Can Rebirth feats be used to scale N52(since currently they are merged as Post-Flashpoint)?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, the New 52 cast is for the most part a lot weaker than the Post-Crisis cast at least until Rebirth happens.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Just putting it here rq but the Keplar feat shouldn't be used in general since the story heavily implies that it didn't actually happen or was exaggerated. The whole thing was John telling Martha a wild story and at the end, Martha says in narration that it was all a lie.

And it'd be a huge outlier if t was true because Superman was extremely weakened. Superman under similar contexts has been harmed by much lower stuff like planetary explosions and even street level characters.

Anyway for scaling, Rebirth is a no; it was just a status quo reset. Infinite Frontier however, has been depicted as a full on 'anti-reboot' that canonized the Post-Crisis history to the Post-Flashpoint universe.

 

[Firestorm808]

Just putting it here rq but the Keplar feat shouldn't be used in general since the story heavily implies that it didn't actually happen or was exaggerated. The whole thing was John telling Martha a wild story and at the end, Martha says in narration that it was all a lie.

This is why we need to source our feats and read the entire comic.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

I remembered another probably tier 4 feat. Alan Scott redirects the energy from Stalker's machine that's designed to make stars go nova

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Here

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Making stars go nova is actually something that can be done via Tier 5 attacks. Also, Nova =/= Supernova.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Making stars go nova is actually something that can be done via Tier 5 attacks. Also, Nova =/= Supernova.

pretty sure that still depends on the calc

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Here

So, maybe someone could try calcing this? Worth a try

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Just putting it here rq but the Keplar feat shouldn't be used in general since the story heavily implies that it didn't actually happen or was exaggerated. The whole thing was John telling Martha a wild story and at the end, Martha says in narration that it was all a lie.

Old message I know but unless I really just didn't understand the comic well, I think the lie is in reference to him lying about the "fishing trip".