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Cataloging Tier 4 and Up Post-Crisis Feats

Another_Council said:
No shit, it needs time to absorb celestial bodies to potentially destroy the solar system.
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Confluctor said it will have to absorb enough things to have enough power to grow and then destroy the solar system, not that it will destroy the solar system over time
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Alan Scott checks out.
The 50 Keplar Supernovas one is actually much less impressive if ISL is taken into account
Well, obviously not a real black hole, but he is outwrestling a baseline 4-B attack
The "Universal statement" is exclusive to Wally's true Infinite Mass Punch that would have been a suicide attack. But the Relativistic Mass Punch that Superman scales from comes from an outdated calculation. Matt's version was something multiple calc group members agreed Gwyn's calculation was more accurate. Although there was another re-calc that got like 2 kilofoe iirc.
John Stewart also checks out yeah.
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So there's only two actual 4-B feats?
 
RMP is still 4-B and is a very consistent lore statement that many speedsters perform as their signature attack so if it counts as 4-B each time it's performed that all technically stacks as counting as having multiple. Especially since it's still a frequent durability feat for various Green Lanterns and White Martians.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
RMP is still 4-B and is a very consistent lore statement that many speedsters perform as their signature attack so if it counts as 4-B each time it's performed that all technically stacks as counting as having multiple. Especially since it's still a frequent durability feat for various Green Lanterns and White Martians.
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Could we downscale Superman from the "IMP" that Wally performed on Zum? Wally states Zum to be in the Superman class on the same page the feat was performed.

I'll grab the scan in a bit
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Could we downscale Superman from the "IMP" that Wally performed on Zum? Wally states Zum to be in the Superman class on the same page the feat was performed.

I'll grab the scan in a bit
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"From what we can figure, all of these guys have powers in the Superman class and then some!"
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"Maybe he IS as tough as the Man of Steel"
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Zum is still alive after the attack but knocked out
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All of these are from JLA issue 3 (1997)
 
So in that comic, the author considers Superman tier to be whatever energy it takes to launch the guy to escape velocity.
 
Firestorm808 said:
So in that comic, the author considers Superman tier to be whatever energy it takes to launch the guy to escape velocity.
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I mean, he also considers that the energy needed to knock out a Superman guy is at 4-B AP, and Zum still didn't die from it.
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Why does this matter? Wally knows how strong Superman is
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As I said before, the author considers Superman tier to be whatever energy it takes to launch the Zum to escape velocity in this story. We can take the general feat that Wally with increased mass = Superman level, but we can't take it that as Superman and Flash = 4-B from this feat alone.
 
Someone asked me to post the following in regards to the Mark Waid feat.

"Wally said in his fight with Eobard that he never had to guts to hit this hard but Eobard's immortality gave Wally a "license to kill," meaning he probably did not hit Zum in the JLA comic nearly as hard as he hit Eobard."
 
Firestorm808 said:
As I said before, the author considers Superman tier to be whatever energy it takes to launch the Zum to escape velocity in this story. We can take the general feat that Wally with increased mass = Superman level, but we can't take it that as Superman and Flash = 4-B from this feat alone.
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No, its Wally's statement, not the author. He also just says Zum is superman tier, not launching Zum to outer space

but we can't take it that as Superman and Flash = 4-B from this feat alone.
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Why?
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Its what happens when you take LSD while reading comics and have this narrow mindset that Superman caps at 4-B no matter what
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VSBW on their way to say that Booster Gold is actually a skyfather just to not scale other heralds to a galaxy level feat he performed
 
XXKINGXX69 said:
Its what happens when you take LSD while reading comics and have this narrow mindset that Superman caps at 4-B no matter what
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Do not be rude to the community. We have had numerous discussions for basically every attempt at upgrading Post-Crisis Superman anything beyond that; in which nearly every proposed Cosmic feat turned out to not even be a feat for Superman in the first place. Or the 4-A statement's case, it's just having 4-A+ levels of chemical energy similar to how the Mass-Energy of an adult human is High 7-A levels of energy, but no one can obviously mass-energy convert their entire body.

Green Lanterns vary greatly, but most of their cosmic feats are unity dependent; it's common for a dozen or a hundred Green Lanterns working together to actually be exponentially stronger than just being X times stronger than one. And even then, Hal Jordan actually has a surprisingly amount of feats that make him seem consistently above his piers; he could lift a Continent sized Spectre when the combined might of Superman, Wonder Woman, Shazam, Martian Manhunter and many others couldn't. Him wrapping his forcefields around the Earth is also the only reason other JLA members were able to move the Earth in the first place, as they would have individually ripped off a moderately sized portion of the Earth by accident instead of pushing the whole planet otherwise.
 
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DarkDragonMedeus said:
Do not be rude to the community. We have had numerous discussions for basically every attempt at upgrading Post-Crisis Superman anything beyond that; in which nearly every proposed Cosmic feat turned out to not even be a feat for Superman in the first place. Or the 4-A statement's case, it's just having 4-A+ levels of chemical energy similar to how the Mass-Energy of an adult human is High 7-A levels of energy, but no one can obviously mass-energy convert their entire body.

Green Lanterns vary greatly, but most of their cosmic feats are unity dependent; it's common for a dozen or a hundred Green Lanterns working together to actually be exponentially stronger than just being X times stronger than one. And even then, Hal Jordan actually has a surprisingly amount of feats that make him seem consistently above his piers; he could lift a Continent sized Spectre when the combined might of Superman, Wonder Woman, Shazam, Martian Manhunter and many others couldn't. Him wrapping his forcefields around the Earth is also the only reason other JLA members were able to move the Earth in the first place, as they would have individually ripped off a moderately sized portion of the Earth by accident instead of pushing the whole planet otherwise.
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was it ever explicatly stated that several GLs are stronger than the sum of their parts, or it's just headcanon
 
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
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was it ever explicatly stated that several GLs are stronger than the sum of their parts, or it's just headcanon
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It's very consistently shown, plus it's common knowledge that empathy based powers are typically strongest in unity; consistent with both a lot of fictional works and just psychology knowledge in general.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
plus it's common knowledge that empathy based powers are typically strongest in unity; consistent with both a lot of fictional works and just psychology knowledge in general.
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Using real life logic and cross scaling contextually different franchises. Sounds like slippery rabbit hole to go down tbh. Let's not do that.
 
To determine what is and isn't, we would need to look at the statistical analysis of the various Green Lantern Feats throughout Post-Crisis and the context behind them. I'll provide what I have gathered so far later today.
 
Firestorm also brought up the fact that it IS still extremely consistent with Lantern powers especially regardless.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Shown. According to the Sinestro Corps war, a GL can barely maintain a star system, but the entire corps can stop a galaxy-level explosion.
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John Stewart has better feats than that, there are regular GLs that can destroy galaxy sized things and sustain universes

DarkDragonMedeus said:
Do not be rude to the community. We have had numerous discussions for basically every attempt at upgrading Post-Crisis Superman anything beyond that; in which nearly every proposed Cosmic feat turned out to not even be a feat for Superman in the first place. Or the 4-A statement's case, it's just having 4-A+ levels of chemical energy similar to how the Mass-Energy of an adult human is High 7-A levels of energy, but no one can obviously mass-energy convert their entire body.

Green Lanterns vary greatly, but most of their cosmic feats are unity dependent; it's common for a dozen or a hundred Green Lanterns working together to actually be exponentially stronger than just being X times stronger than one. And even then, Hal Jordan actually has a surprisingly amount of feats that make him seem consistently above his piers; he could lift a Continent sized Spectre when the combined might of Superman, Wonder Woman, Shazam, Martian Manhunter and many others couldn't. Him wrapping his forcefields around the Earth is also the only reason other JLA members were able to move the Earth in the first place, as they would have individually ripped off a moderately sized portion of the Earth by accident instead of pushing the whole planet otherwise.
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This isn't even true, Superman and Diana did most of the lifting, Kyle just made a tunnel to help them

Where does it say they would have individually ripped off a portion of the Earth and how does helping Superman lift the planet mean he's stronger? Superman's pull was cracking his construct while overpowering the pull of someone that had greater power than moving 2 universes. Superman has sent Hal flying before and did better against Parallax than Kyle did
 
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