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Confluctor said it will have to absorb enough things to have enough power to grow and then destroy the solar system, not that it will destroy the solar system over time
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Cataloging Tier 4 and Up Post-Crisis Feats
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I did? But either way, nothing wrong with what I said then
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So there's only two actual 4-B feats?
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Nope.John feat isn't as impressive as it sounds he is recreating all the matter in the solar system not the space in between. The GBE of a solar system is High 4C with the sun.
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Then only a single 4-B feat?
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RMP is still 4-B and is a very consistent lore statement that many speedsters perform as their signature attack so if it counts as 4-B each time it's performed that all technically stacks as counting as having multiple. Especially since it's still a frequent durability feat for various Green Lanterns and White Martians.
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The Black Hole speck is a sentient entity that destroys planets one by one.
- Discussed here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/superman-feat-removal.128061/
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yes, by growing in size. The blackhole in it's original state was not solar system level
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This is a different feat
It doesn't say it has to grow in size
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Could we downscale Superman from the "IMP" that Wally performed on Zum? Wally states Zum to be in the Superman class on the same page the feat was performed.
I'll grab the scan in a bit
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"From what we can figure, all of these guys have powers in the Superman class and then some!"
"Maybe he IS as tough as the Man of Steel"
Zum is still alive after the attack but knocked out
All of these are from JLA issue 3 (1997)
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So in that comic, the author considers Superman tier to be whatever energy it takes to launch the guy to escape velocity.
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Why?
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Why what?
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I mean, he also considers that the energy needed to knock out a Superman guy is at 4-B AP, and Zum still didn't die from it.
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The thing I quoted
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The author didn't say anything about 4-B levels of power.
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I'm going to need specific context to answer what you're asking why about?
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I mean, that's true, considering it says Flash' mass is increasing towards "Infinity". But didn't we calc the IMP to be 4-B?
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That's for a Mark Waid story when the mass was increased to a white dwarf star.
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So this one doesn't count? Oof.
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Why does this matter? Wally knows how strong Superman is
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As I said before, the author considers Superman tier to be whatever energy it takes to launch the Zum to escape velocity in this story. We can take the general feat that Wally with increased mass = Superman level, but we can't take it that as Superman and Flash = 4-B from this feat alone.
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Someone asked me to post the following in regards to the Mark Waid feat.
"Wally said in his fight with Eobard that he never had to guts to hit this hard but Eobard's immortality gave Wally a "license to kill," meaning he probably did not hit Zum in the JLA comic nearly as hard as he hit Eobard."
"Wally said in his fight with Eobard that he never had to guts to hit this hard but Eobard's immortality gave Wally a "license to kill," meaning he probably did not hit Zum in the JLA comic nearly as hard as he hit Eobard."
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No, its Wally's statement, not the author. He also just says Zum is superman tier, not launching Zum to outer space
Why?
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lanterns are above Superman? Excuse me?
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Its what happens when you take LSD while reading comics and have this narrow mindset that Superman caps at 4-B no matter what
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VSBW on their way to say that Booster Gold is actually a skyfather just to not scale other heralds to a galaxy level feat he performed
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I'd suggest you watch your tone there buddy. You're already pushing it on other threads with that kind of attitude.
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I was referring to the Tier 2 stuff that the Lanterns had under their belt because of the willpower shenanigans.
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Do not be rude to the community. We have had numerous discussions for basically every attempt at upgrading Post-Crisis Superman anything beyond that; in which nearly every proposed Cosmic feat turned out to not even be a feat for Superman in the first place. Or the 4-A statement's case, it's just having 4-A+ levels of chemical energy similar to how the Mass-Energy of an adult human is High 7-A levels of energy, but no one can obviously mass-energy convert their entire body.
Green Lanterns vary greatly, but most of their cosmic feats are unity dependent; it's common for a dozen or a hundred Green Lanterns working together to actually be exponentially stronger than just being X times stronger than one. And even then, Hal Jordan actually has a surprisingly amount of feats that make him seem consistently above his piers; he could lift a Continent sized Spectre when the combined might of Superman, Wonder Woman, Shazam, Martian Manhunter and many others couldn't. Him wrapping his forcefields around the Earth is also the only reason other JLA members were able to move the Earth in the first place, as they would have individually ripped off a moderately sized portion of the Earth by accident instead of pushing the whole planet otherwise.
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was it ever explicatly stated that several GLs are stronger than the sum of their parts, or it's just headcanon
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Shown. According to the Sinestro Corps war, a GL can barely maintain a star system, but the entire corps can stop a galaxy-level explosion.
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It's very consistently shown, plus it's common knowledge that empathy based powers are typically strongest in unity; consistent with both a lot of fictional works and just psychology knowledge in general.
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Using real life logic and cross scaling contextually different franchises. Sounds like slippery rabbit hole to go down tbh. Let's not do that.
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Are you sure that's not just PIS. Everyone has anti feats
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To determine what is and isn't, we would need to look at the statistical analysis of the various Green Lantern Feats throughout Post-Crisis and the context behind them. I'll provide what I have gathered so far later today.
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Firestorm also brought up the fact that it IS still extremely consistent with Lantern powers especially regardless.
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John Stewart has better feats than that, there are regular GLs that can destroy galaxy sized things and sustain universes
This isn't even true, Superman and Diana did most of the lifting, Kyle just made a tunnel to help them
Where does it say they would have individually ripped off a portion of the Earth and how does helping Superman lift the planet mean he's stronger? Superman's pull was cracking his construct while overpowering the pull of someone that had greater power than moving 2 universes. Superman has sent Hal flying before and did better against Parallax than Kyle did
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