Calculations should be put on the pages of everyone who scales to them

[The_Smashor]

So, I recently found some actual valid criticism (for once) of our website on Reddit. Don't let the title mislead you, it's not just ******** on us for disagreeing with the poster's personal opinions on the stats of anime/comic characters or whatever, it's actual criticism (Even if they aren't exactly tactful about it).

Long story short, the poster is annoyed that you need to click on sometimes upwards of five separate pages to find the origin of a character's stats. As such, I think we should put the calculation that the character scales to on the profile itself (As said in the title). We could make it something like "Better than/Equal to/Almost as strong as than X, who (upscales from/downscales from/is equal to characters who) can do this ("This" containing the link to the calc that the character scales from).

This wouldn't be easy by any stretch of the imagination, but it would make it easier for people to find the stats of characters without needing to click on several separate profiles and generally improve quality of life for casual users of this wiki.

 

[KingTempest]

Oh god this would be so much work, but yeah this makes sense

 

[Damage3245]

I think this would be too impractical to implement.

As much a fan as I am of making scaling and values clear, I don't think adding the calculations to every single page would be the best solution.

A better solution, IMO, is to expand the power sections of Verse pages to explain what characters are scaling to, or to have detailing scaling breakdowns in a blog post or something similar that can be linked to on the verse page.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I agree. This is annoying in verses like OP

"Small City level via powerscaling"

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I feel the same as King Tempest it is gonna be a mountain of work but is a great idea on a smaller scale
For example Character A scales to B instead of just saying that we elaborate in said justifications character B did X thing.

Or elaborate on the powers section of verse pages with quick scaling notes showing who scales to what.

 

[Damage3245]

"Small City level via powerscale"

I agree that this should never come up on a profile.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, people shouldn't need to open 5 or 10 tabs just to find the one calculation where the feat comes from; it should be listed in the verse page obviously as well as the person who did the feat. Though, there are often times where it's a massive scaling chain; A > B > C > D > E > F > G who did the feat. Which is going to make character A's justification looks quite lengthy and redundant. Though, I did make an official scaling chain blog for Dragon Ball to fix problems like that. I do not think we should make a project, but I personally think it could be a, as you notice you may include the calculation feat that each character ultimately scales from.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Naruto is horrible with it, I remember when I was newer to the wiki scaling, the ******* Kirin scaling chain got me in an infinite loop.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, a lot of HST profiles due admittedly have a lot of loopholes as far as profile justifications are concerned.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

All shounen verses and comics have this problem

Marvel for example, "200 characters" are linked to other profiles that scale to Hulk

 

[Braking]

I agree. so i would know if its an ap stomp or not for matches.

 

[Theglassman12]

Wouldn’t making an entire section in the verse page for all the calculations alleviate this problem?

 

[Thelastmlg]

This also applies to hax, no justifies or scans or even explanations unless you either find whoever they upscale or find some old crt of them

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Wouldn’t making an entire section in the verse page for all the calculations alleviate this problem?

Not in of itself most verses I know of show all their Calcs on the main page and people are still annoyed by this kind of thing

To truly fix it I think you would need some short Scaling notes probably like

“Low 6-B’s scale to this
Character B is stated 100x stronger than the low 6-B feat(insert scan) so he is High 6-B”
With exceptions getting more in detail explanations in justifications

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

This also applies to hax

And multipliers. look at the notes on the Fairy Tail or Black Clover page, there is not even a scan or real justification

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I have been in cases I never found the calcs the tiering of the characters is based on due to the long scaling chain. :V

 

[Bobsican]

TBH I support the premise of the OP.
Having to look over a chain of several pages just to find the proper thing X scales to in some way is impractical.
That being said, listing the calc directly isn't plausible to do so consistnetly as it's just too late to do that on a good chunk of the site, but the issue can be reduced by listing scaling on the verse page or so.

 

[Thelastmlg]

I hate ranting but for a indexing wiki our pages sometimes feel too headcanonic, oh he has soul hax, concept hax, time hax, just trust us.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

And multipliers. look at the notes on the Fairy Tail or Black Clover page, there is not even a scan or real justification

Shit, don’t get me started on the bleach multi continental scale loop.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

And multipliers. look at the notes on the Fairy Tail or Black Clover page, there is not even a scan or real justification

I also dislike stuff like that
In the case of Fate. If I didn’t know of the revision they had on it I wouldn’t know why the hell base servants are scaled to be 1/3 of a 6-C+ Calc

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Shit, don’t get me started on the bleach multi continental scale loop.

There's actually issues with the calc itself but we'll get to that later.

 

[AKM sama]

Wouldn’t making an entire section in the verse page for all the calculations alleviate this problem?

We already do that. But I can see that random visitors probably don't know that verse pages list those calcs and don't bother to check them. They only go with what's in the character's profile in most cases.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

There's actually issues with the calc itself but we'll get to that later.

This was a declaration of war, because we are not even questioning whether the calculations work or not

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Why is this not already a thing? Every profile's justification should link to the original profile with the source calc of the rating

 

[SamanPatou]

I partially disagree, this would make many profiles a complete mess, especially when the rating is given via a long scaling chain.

You can do it when the chain involves 1, at most 2 characters, but that's the limit, imho.

To make it easier the calculation should be listed on the verse page, possibly split in main and secondary, but that's it.

A blog to explain scaling and relationships can be useful but it still has to be optional.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

"Defeated Dave, who destroyed a mountain", and with that put the links

How does it make a complete mess?

 

[Monkey_Dunno]

"Defeated David, who defeated Damian, who overpowered Darius, who could one-shot Darien, who should be equal to Dave, who destroyed a mountain".

 

[AKM sama]

"Defeated Dave, who destroyed a mountain", and with that put the links
How does it make a complete mess?

"Kept up with (character) who kept up with (character) who kept up with (character) who is stronger than (character) who is comparable to (character)... who did (feat)"

Probably just say "Scales to (character) who scales to (feat)" and explain who that other character scales to and why in his own page. That way you can reference as many pages in a loop while also showing the main feat in each page.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

"Defeated David, who defeated Damian, who overpowered Darius, who could one-shot Darien, who should be equal to Dave, who destroyed a mountain".

Alright, I laughed

But what AKM said is an option

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

I agree with AKM. And yeah, Naruto characters are horrible with this.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

"Defeated David, who defeated Damian, who overpowered Darius, who could one-shot Darien, who should be equal to Dave, who destroyed a mountain".

Don’t forget Darien scaling to Daniel who was confident he could take down Dante who swapped hands with Dominic who Dave is afraid of fighting.

 

[SamanPatou]

Probably just say "Scales to (character) who scales to (feat)" and explain why that other character scales in his own page. That way you can reference as many pages in a loop while also showing the main feat in each page.

It can work sometimes, but in some occasions it would just connect a character to a feat done by someone who is unrelated to them and make the overall description not that good.

Trying to shorten the scaling chain as much as possible is good, but if the one who made the feat is, like, sixth on the chain and mostly unrelated to the first or even second, it shouldn't be included in the description, imho.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

As much as I strongly agree with the premise of this, and agree that this shouldve already well been a thing, I too think its too impractical to pull off. At best, the calculations should be added to the verse page itself.

And maybe write a note in editing rules, scaling rules, or some page detailing our standards for character profiles that the verse page should be looked at for tier justifications?

 

[The_Smashor]

And maybe write a note in editing rules, scaling rules, or some page detailing our standards for character profiles that the verse page should be looked at for tier justifications?

Randos who just come here for stats aren't going to read those.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Randos who just come here for stats aren't going to read those.

Maybe, but the bigger issue not taken into account however is that our site isnt just for random people either. Its for everyone. Visitors and actual members, so we'd have to do this in a way that benefits both parities for the whole site. Whatevers actually manageable.

And honestly, its not our problem if randoms who just come for 5 seconds to glance at stats wont do their part to try and see where we write our standards at. It goes both ways.

 

[Oleggator]

I agree also, I once entered one one piece profile where's stated that "x" character scales to "y" character then I go to "y" character and it says that "y" character scales to "z" characters and that through many pages.

Sometimes it even went circulary when I saw "x" scales to "y", "y" scales to "z" and then "z" scales "x".

It's so confusing so I'm pretty much agree.

 

[RisingIons]

I don’t like how we do “scales to x, who is stronger than y, who beat z, who did this feat”

Like doing all that for a character page 3 jumps away from the person that had the feat everyone is scaling to makes no sense because at the end of the day it’s still unquantifiably higher. For detailed verse explanations I get that it makes 100% good sense but practically it’s useless, I’d just say all profiles involved are x amount of degrees stronger than the originator of the scaling chain.

 

[Speedster]

There's actually issues with the calc itself but we'll get to that later.

What kind of issues are there?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

This was a declaration of war, because we are not even questioning whether the calculations work or not

Bruh

Anyway, if the calculations work or not is not the subject of the thread, so it is better not to comment here about this

 

[Speedster]

Bruh

Anyway, if the calculations work or not is not the subject of the thread, so it is better not to comment here about this

Oh ok. Thank you for your advice.