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So this has been a long time coming, I feel. Coming off the heels of my first attempt at a Sonic CRT is a pretty big one, though perhaps not as insane or ludicrous, since I actually feel pretty confident in this one compared to the last one. So, here goes... everything I guess.
Sonic's base form in the Modern Era is currently 4-A. However, I feel this really undersells what he can do. In fact, I think he's got an assortment of feats that put him at a different tier. Specifically, I think he's got more than enough support to be Low 2-C. Now, this is most certainly a higher up tier in the Sonic verse, only behind the 2-B, possibly 2-A characters, so I'mma definitely need to explain my rationale.
So, here's all the evidence I've gathered:
So yeah, that's all the evidence I've gathered. I just know this'll end up being controversial, so I once again ask that everyone be civil when discussing thisor I'm getting my chancla.
HAVE AT IT!
Agree: 25 (@Starbrand_Fan, @BlastX, @omegabronic, @The_Unknown_Warrior1, @XSOULOFCINDERX, @Gilad_Hyperstar [except Perfect Chaos scaling], @Kazuma_kuwabara, @MeiouHades, @Remus1998, @Brogeefrong, @JJSliderman [believes Point 2 needs to be reworked], @Alexander, @Eseseso, @Angelzewolf, @JED, @LaserPrecision, @GlaceonGamez471, @Lenyo456, @Dragonite007, @LordGriffin1000, @MysticMania, @ZespeonGalaxy, @ProfectusInfinity, @Elizhaa, @Lonkitt [iffy on Point 4])
Disagree: 0
Neutral: 4 (@Theuser789 [leaning toward agreement; disagrees with Points 2 and 4], @LephyrTheRevanchist [leaning toward agreement], @Shmooply, @ShakeResounding)
So this has been a long time coming, I feel. Coming off the heels of my first attempt at a Sonic CRT is a pretty big one, though perhaps not as insane or ludicrous, since I actually feel pretty confident in this one compared to the last one. So, here goes... everything I guess.
Sonic's base form in the Modern Era is currently 4-A. However, I feel this really undersells what he can do. In fact, I think he's got an assortment of feats that put him at a different tier. Specifically, I think he's got more than enough support to be Low 2-C. Now, this is most certainly a higher up tier in the Sonic verse, only behind the 2-B, possibly 2-A characters, so I'mma definitely need to explain my rationale.
So, here's all the evidence I've gathered:
- Base Sonic matched Base Erazor Djinn, who had absorbed half of the Arabian Nights, when the essence of all of them makes for Alf Layla wa-Layla's ultimate attack. Base Erazor also controls Night Palace, an infinite space with an astral plane.
- Sonic the Werehog is formed by the conjunction of Dark Gaia's energy and the Chaos Emeralds, with this kind of energy being what makes Dark Gaia turn Perfect. And well... Perfect Dark Gaia is "At least Low 2-C" so do the math. In addition, this is relevant to Base Sonic, as in Generations he goes on to fight the Egg Dragoon, which fought Sonic the Werehog.
- Base Sonic fought King Arthur, who wielded the Scabbard of Excalibur, which he was going to use to merge the World of Camelot with the forces of the Underworld and which Merlina was going to use to do the same thing, along with freezing the World of Camelot in time.
- Base Sonic blocked an attack and then took multiple hits from Dark Queen Merlina who warped the space-time of the World of Camelot and was going to freeze it in time. Of course, he was being overpowered, so he'd downscale rather than fully scale, plus this also avoids any circular scaling issues. Keep in mind, this point is more of a secondary, supporting one compared to the rest.
- Base Sonic accelerating through time is stated to fix space and restore the flow of time in White Space Zones, which are stated to be universes
- Base Sonic survives the destruction of his universe at the hands of the Time Eater. Now, we're not scaling him to the Time Eater, no, but surviving universal destruction (including space-time, as shown by the previous point) is a textbook Low 2-C feat.
- Base Sonic could fight Perfect Chaos in Sonic Generations. This was deemed an outlier before, but with the prevalence of other Low 2-C feats for Base Sonic, both before and after this point, I believe it shouldn't be that way anymore.
- Many of Eggman's machines are stated in official material to be the "strongest" after the events of Sonic Advance 1, making them stronger than the previous strongest invention Eggman made by himself: the Super Egg Robot. These include Metal Sonic, E-123 Omega, the Egg Cerberus and Egg Wyvern, and the Egg Dragoon, Nega-Wisp Robo, and the Eggrobo from Lost World. The Egg Dragoon is especially relevant due to Point 4.
- Later grew in power to match Infinite, who is stated to be Sonic's strongest enemy yet. In the previous thread, it was indicated that this could just mean the strongest enemy Base Sonic has faced since he never turned Super Sonic or Hyper Sonic, which would make him stronger than the likes of Erazor Djinn, Perfect Chaos, King Arthur, and potentially Dark Queen Merlina (though he mainly fought the latter with Excalibur so who knows). Infinite is also stated to be Dr. Eggman's ultimate weapon, making him stronger than previous inventions Eggman made by himself, including the Super Egg Robot and the myriad of inventions listed in Point 8.
- Fought and damaged the Death Egg Robot after fighting Infinite, which is stated to surpass Infinite and is also powered by the actual Phantom Ruby, which can create the Egg Reverie Zone and Null Space, the latter of which is stated to go on forever.
- "Eggman says a lot of his weapons are his 'greatest one yet,' so clearly it's a hyperbole rather than an actual scaling statement."
- "Base Sonic being Low 2-C is an outlier"
So yeah, that's all the evidence I've gathered. I just know this'll end up being controversial, so I once again ask that everyone be civil when discussing this
HAVE AT IT!
Agree: 25 (@Starbrand_Fan, @BlastX, @omegabronic, @The_Unknown_Warrior1, @XSOULOFCINDERX, @Gilad_Hyperstar [except Perfect Chaos scaling], @Kazuma_kuwabara, @MeiouHades, @Remus1998, @Brogeefrong, @JJSliderman [believes Point 2 needs to be reworked], @Alexander, @Eseseso, @Angelzewolf, @JED, @LaserPrecision, @GlaceonGamez471, @Lenyo456, @Dragonite007, @LordGriffin1000, @MysticMania, @ZespeonGalaxy, @ProfectusInfinity, @Elizhaa, @Lonkitt [iffy on Point 4])
Disagree: 0
Neutral: 4 (@Theuser789 [leaning toward agreement; disagrees with Points 2 and 4], @LephyrTheRevanchist [leaning toward agreement], @Shmooply, @ShakeResounding)
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