Boros's striking strength downgrade,again.

[Dzhindzholia]

Reasons why he should be downgraded to At least Continent level in striking strength:

1.Nothing indicates that he is Planet Level in striking strength,litreally nothing.

2.His best physicall feat is launching Saitama into the Moon and damaging his space ship.

3.His space ship is only Continent Level in durability and he can easily damage it.

4.He was turned into bloody paste in a couple of casual hits wich are continent level at best via scaling from Saitama's casual jump.He would'v been vaporized if they were Planet Level,and casual Saitama is not Planet Level,only continent via feats.


A casual punch


Consecutive normal punches.


5.He is only Planet Level via Star Cannon,wich is his most powerful attack and stated to be Planet Level in guiedbook.

For those who say "he was weakened thats why he is above planet level",guiedbook never states that,it only states that his Star cannon is planet level,it does not say "His Star Cannon against Saitama was weaker than his Prime one",it just states that a regular Star Cannon is Planet Level.

6.It is not fair to scale his most powerful attack that costs him all of his energy to his casual physicall strikes.

But you can say "He was able to tank redirected Star Cannon and Saitama's Serious punch without dying".It is PIS,he was turned into bloody paste from casual Continent Level punches.

Boros should be baseline Planet Level with Star Cannon and Continent level without it.And continent level in durability.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I think a lot of what you're saying makes sense at a glance. I've got things to do, but I'll come back with more of my thoughts on your points later.

 

[Thatoneguy78]

Well it looks like Kep just made a OPM calc that might put boros at High 6-A

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Thatoneguy78

I'll change the OP if it gets accepted,but he is not Planet Level in ST definetly.

 

[Thatoneguy78]

@Thatoneguy78
I'll change the OP if it gets accepted,but he is not Planet Level in ST definetly.

Okay man I was just saying that it got calced again

 

[GyroNutz]

hmm, seems alright on the surface

1, 2 and 3: agreed. only his finishing attack is planet level based on the evidence given

4: I don't really agree with this. Saitama's punches can go from destroying Hammerhead's suit to casually destroying giants who reach the clouds with their height. Point is, Saitama's attacks seriously vary and in no way should a punch from Saitama be scaled from Saitama landing on a ship.

5: The first bit is true, though I'd like to see scans of the guidebook and what it says.

6: Boros' strikes weren't casual but definitely should be unquantifiably higher than saitama landing on Boros' ship. Not sure if this is also in the guidebook, but where is it stated that Boros' collapsing star roaring cannon needs ALL of his energy and not simply that he needed all his remaining energy (which wasn't much at that point) when he fired it at that time?

As for Boros' durability, Saitama's casual strength aside, wouldn't it make more sense that the consecutive normal punches were done to show Boros' insane regenerative abilities? This is done very commonly in anime; think Piccolo losing his arm in the ToP to fodder just cause he can regenerate. This is far more likely to be the outlier than Boros tanking his own star cannon + Boros being prepared to tank the destruction of the Earth as a result of his attack.

While I don't 100% agree with Boros' star cannon being tens of thousands times stronger than his punches, due to a lack of feats otherwise, I'm fine with this. Scans would be nice re the star cannon. I disagree with Boros' durability downgrade

 

[Dzhindzholia]

4.I scaled Saitama's casual strikes from his moon jump,cause there is just no other way to identify the power of his casual hits.

5.I can not provide a scan myself but i saw it numeorus times,it says that his attack can blow up a planet or a star.(A star is mistranslation)

6.I doubt we can rate Boros's casual punches higher than Saitama's ones,still in the gap of continent level.

My bad,maby you are right,but it still does not rate his Star Cannon higher than Planet Level.

"As for Boros' durability, Saitama's casual strength aside, wouldn't it make more sense that the consecutive normal punches were done to show Boros' insane regenerative abilities?"

That is not how it works,by that logic a lot of characters needs to be revised.Saitama already rip Boros's hand casually.

"This is far more likely to be the outlier than Boros tanking his own star cannon + Boros being prepared to tank the destruction of the Earth as a result of his attack."

It is an outlier,since he was damaged by weaker strikes.Also,i don't think you need to be Planet Level in durability to survive its destruction,but i can be wrong.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Bump.

 

[Golden_Void]

Getting turned to paste isn't really an argument since he's a Regenerationn based creature, otherwise Majin Buu would be weaker than wall level. The air pressure from Saitama countering his star cannon is what did him in, and even in that case it can be argued that his power was drastically reduced from the constant Regenerationn + his kinetic energy form literally draining his body throughout the fight.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

This all does not matter,he is still not planet level physically,only via Star Cannon.You don't have proofs.

"Getting turned to paste isn't really an argument since he's a Regenerationn based creature, otherwise Majin Buu would be weaker than wall level."

Why should I even care about Buu?DBZ=/=Consistency and logic.

 

[Golden_Void]

Because they follow the same logic. Getting holes put in you or your body being blasted apart isn't really always indicative of anything.

He took more damage from Saitama's consecutive punches than the air pressure from his punch, which is stronger than his star cannon via common sense.

 

[LordGinSama]

I gotta agree with Rice here.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

@Unite My Rice

"He took more damage from Saitama's consecutive punches than the air pressure from his punch, which is stronger than his star cannon via common sense."

I said the same,he was turned into bloody paste with consecutive normal punches but somehow survived Two strongest attacks at the same time.(then died).Saitama rip his arm casually also.

Surviving that is either PIS or Outlier,call that as you wish.

I want to hear the whole answer from you about the OP.You just cut out 1 sentence from it.

 

[Overlord775]

the shockwaves from the serius punch aren't planet level, only the punch itself is

 

[Golden_Void]

If only the punch itself were planet level then explain why the air split the attack..

 

[Overlord775]

If only the punch itself were planet level then explain why the air split the attack..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Eqpc7E5tu4

explain this

 

[Golden_Void]

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/146991/4486726-7706359517-onepu.jpg

Explain this

and this

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111133730/4018215-sonepunch-man-5058963.jpg

Yeah he punched it, but there are clear after-effects.

 

[Overlord775]

still confusing ovo

what is the attack and what is the wind in those images ?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Hasn't this been discussed many times before and rejected every time? I particularly remember Ryukama debating it, though can't remember his reasoning to keep Boros' tier the same.

 

[Golden_Void]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1556829

 

[Qawsedf234]

Point 4: I don't think you can really scale from Saitama's punches. He could be exterting anywhere from 7-B to 5-B power in any given strike

Point 5: Well it's just multi-continental in the manga

Point 6: He didn't "tank" anything though. He lost well over half of his body and died barely a minute later

> Boros should be baseline Planet Level

Not when both of the main sources (webcomic and manga) specify that he can only destroy the surface of planets and not the entire thing.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Could be on topic I guess. But I remembered a calc putting the serious punch's shockwave at 86.042 Petatons to 8.84 Exatons

 

[Dzhindzholia]

It was agreed that Boros's star cannon can destroy a planet.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I thought the consensus was that the databook didn't overwrite the manga/webcomic statement.

 

[Antvasima]

Ryukama has good judgement about One-Punch Man. You can also ask people listed in the Knowledgeable Members List to comment here.

 

[AstralKing7]

i been meaning to make this cause how can one attack he uses be considered the basis for AP. saitama was playing with him and you guys know it. He only had one attack that can "destroy" a planet so why should we consider everything else he throws out planet level when saitama didnt even get serious until Boros tried to destroy the planet's surface

 

[Qawsedf234]

i been meaning to make this cause how can one attack he uses be considered the basis for AP. saitama was playing with him and you guys know it. He only had one attack that can "destroy" a planet so why should we consider everything else he throws out planet level when saitama didnt even get serious until Boros tried to destroy the planet's surface

The explination that I've seen is that Boros's strikes shouldn't be hundreds of thousands/millions of times weaker than his CSRC.

 

[Akreious]

But why though? CSRC is literally his trump and releasing all his energy into one blast. It's like me using all the glucose in my body to fire off one giant powerful punch that could do in a tank. It's sure as hell not gonna scale to my regular ass human punches.

 

[AstralKing7]

naw that doesnt make sense because i think we have a rule about that or something where you cant scale someone to thier strongest attack when they havent shown any other feats on that level i believe like Kaguya for example. She is large planet level with ESTB but he ap is still small planet level

 

[Qawsedf234]

Dunno why, but that's just the reason I've seen brought up before. Maybe the scaling with Monster Garou is the difference? Although going by the full quote Boros is superior physically and Garou has to completely rely on his superior skill.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

"The explination that I've seen is that Boros's strikes shouldn't be hundreds of thousands/millions of times weaker than his CSRC."

They should.

@Antvasima

I asked some people to reply.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I'm pretty sure Ryukama already thoroughly debunked this.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

He did not.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I'm pretty sure he did. There was a lengthy thread preceding this one that went on for dozens of posts countering most if not all the points you had if memory serves me right.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

His best argument was "Boros was tierd".He debunk nothing,but not only that,he even upgraded Boros to planet level physically,when he clearly is not.

 

[AKM sama]

I also don't get why we scale Boros' strongest energy attack to his physical punches. If Boros can put all that energy into his punch, then sure. But IIRC, he can only do it with his CSRC.

Anyway, I'll wait for Ryu as he might have something constructive to say here.

 

[Rocker1189]

I agree with this I had issues with it when I saw it.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Bump

 

[Overlord775]

also the Collapsing Star Cannon is baseline 5-B and it's way stronger than his regular attacks, so he can't be 5-B, at max he's low 5-B

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Bump.