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Bleach's Reiatsu Crush in Verse Equalization

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Reiatsu Crush is a mechanic mostly exclusive to Bleach. I'm sure there are verses out there with something similar, but that's neither here nor there. Under Verse Equalization, is Reiatsu Crush an acceptable argument or is it to be ignored?

Or, is it to be ignored, only in certain scenarios? Such as:

  • X Bleach Character vs X Character from a verse without any Supernatural energy that can be equalized
I'm curious because Verse Equalization is meant to prevent unfairness, but restricting Reiatsu Crush is in fact a handicap to Bleach characters, which is in itself, "unfair".

I know under the new rules revisions, Restricting abilities means matches can't be added and restricting Reiatsu Crush across the board is a contradictory to "Verse Equalization". Under Verse Equalization, it means Reiatsu Crush isn't unfair, with Energies being equal (Reiatsu = Chakra = Ki, etc.) It's neutral.

Example:

  • Juubito vs Lille would result in a reiatsu crush due to the vast tier difference (At least High 6-A vs 6-B+), same as say Goku or Jiren were pitted against Yhwach (Due Reiatsu Equalling Chakra and Ki)
  • Ikkaku vs Licht from black clover wouldn't be a Reiatsu Crush due to being similarly tiered (Given Mana would Equal Reiatsu)
Etc. Here is what I propose if Reiatsu crush is restricted across the board:

  • Reiatsu Crush would be allowed due to Verse Equalization for verses with comparable supernatural energies (Chakra, Mana, Ki, Demonic Aura, Trion, Dakka, Chi, etc...)
  • Restricted for verses that aren't able to equalize with Reiatsu.
  • Given new rules, Matches made with characters that aren't from verses that can Equalize Reiatsu won't be added because of the handicap.
This way, members can still debate regardless of the circumstances.

NOTE: Ignore the vs examples above. They're only examples and not the main point of this discussion.
 
I'm fairly sure I've seen reiatsu crush used as an argument for Bleach characters when they're up against much weaker characters.

I remember seeing it in a thread for Aizen, but I've forgotten other examples.
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
I'm fairly sure I've seen reiatsu crush used as an argument for Bleach characters when they're up against much weaker characters.
I remember seeing it in a thread for Aizen, but I've forgotten other examples.
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Don't we also have rules on AP stomps?
 
I didn't watch the Bleach so I asking this.

Which is important in Reiatsu crush tier/ap or having more Reiatsu?
 
I agree with everything except the

  • Given new rules, Matches made with characters that aren't from verses that can Equalize Reiatsu won't be added because of the handicap.
Reiatsu Crush in and of itself is an unfair advantage that only makes sense in-verse. I don't think it should be used on the VS battle wiki at all.

If that's the case, then every HxH character with even with basic use of nen can solo verses with emotional nen attacks.
 
So, I assume people think that Reiatsu Crush is actually a thing.

It's a joke, or argument made by wankers. And besides, you'd only be capable of crushing drastically weaker opponents with the pressure of your aura, not comparatively or equal powered opponents.

If I see "Lul Soul Manipulation", I'm gonna laugh myself to death.
 
if i remember correctly

aizen Reiatsu Crush couldn't even kill ichigo friends and they are prbably in tier to 9 to 8

if i am right then Reiatsu Crush are usless. it cant even 1shot people like ichigo friends
 
lul soul crush gg

But in all honesty, a similar argument can be made for Shinigami being invisible. I personally think this should be applied to VS matches, but a lot seem to view it as unfair, so I tend to just ignore them all together. It never really bothered me.
 
If what I understand is correct, Tobirama and Hashirama did the same thing and Orochimaru, EMS Sasuke, Juugo and Suigetsu nearly shit themselves with Hashirama's pressure.
 
Reiatsu crush and soul reapers invisiblity/untouchable are all lazy arguements and shouldn't be used in vsbattles at all...

It's just as lazy as "genjutsu one-shot" in a serious battle between equals

@mindovin

No they didn't, everyone does the pressure thing,even pre-SS ichigo Vs renji... Reiatsu crush is different as aizen is able to disintegrate people with it.just because they don't have high enough reiatsu
 
Genjutsu is a pretty lazy argument. All forms of mind hax are lazy arguments its all just "kek lol mind hax."
 
I wonder if Aizen gets hungry or thirsty. Like, he doesn't die from hunger or thirst, but it would suck if he still felt hunger and thirst.
 
YungManzi said:
^^^Agree with everything except the genjutsu part.
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I said "genjutsu one-shot"..and yes it is a very very lazy argument.

They only work on people considerably weaker,incapacitated,weakened or just stupid.... Does it work as an illusion trick to turn the tide of battle?Yes..but never does it one-shot people unconscious in a battle between equals


If it did these battles would be over in a second

MADARA VS HASHIRAMA(just because hashirama doesn't have a sharingan so madara one-shot..yeah? No)

KAKASHI VS ZABUZA..

KAKASHI VS HIDAN AND KAKUZU

SASUKE VS KAGES

SHIKAMARU VS FLUTE GIRL

TOBIRAMA VS RANDOM UCHIHAS

KURENAI>>>>>anyone.
 

I said "genjutsu one-shot"..and yes it is a very very lazy argument.

They only work on people considerably weaker,incapacitated,weakened or just stupid.... Does it work as an illusion trick to turn the tide of battle?Yes..but never does it one-shot people unconscious in a battle between equals


If it did these battles would be over in a second

MADARA VS HASHIRAMA(just because hashirama doesn't have a sharingan so madara one-shot..yeah? No)

KAKASHI VS ZABUZA..

KAKASHI VS HIDAN AND KAKUZU

SASUKE VS KAGES

SHIKAMARU VS FLUTE GIRL

TOBIRAMA VS RANDOM UCHIHAS

KURENAI>>>>>anyone.

Wow...just stop it. You're wrong. Anybody who reads Naruto knows this is untrue. Even then, it's already established that Naruto characters are resistant / immune Genjutsu in verse.

Stronger =/= Resistance.

But this isn't the topic. Make a CTR about it, I'll gladly debate you there.
 
Dbknowitall said:
fairy tail has something similar, majority ofthe verses dealing withmagical energy have something similar be is supressing or completelynegating another weaker character attack.


The Final Order: genjutsu has nothing to do with resistant to illusion because genjutsu system is completel different than Illusions in general, they use Charkra as a Median to mess with the users brain, is not really a genera illusion created from nothing, or mind control via a special way, is just charkra being utilized specifically to mess with the user, any ninja with decent control and intellect is good at genjutsu afterall genjutsu has too many weaknesses and many ways it can be broken, the naruto system genjutsu is very very low tier compare to other verses with very broken telepathic and mind control abilities that work on different system not exclusive to charkra. so putting a user that breaks out of genjutsu as Illuson resistant is ridiculous, as breaking genutsu is merely a flux in charkra that can be done as easy as a simple touch is not really resisting anything as the user is not combating the illuson itself but the power source behind the illusion being charkra which is what is controlling or messing the the individuals brain
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Itachi begs to differ lol. A simple touch and flux in chakra wont break you out of a genjutsu. If the caster is strong in genjutsu and has good chakra control than you better be too. This thread isnt the place to discuss this tho
 
Omimi said:
if i remember correctly
aizen Reiatsu Crush couldn't even kill ichigo friends and they are prbably in tier to 9 to 8

if i am right then Reiatsu Crush are usless. it cant even 1shot people like ichigo friends
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That's blatant downplay, Aizen purposefully lowered himself so he could be felt by Tatsuki and Co:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-l41HVR5ft...Wt7MGCD5B7svt0rxKIikwwCHM/s16000/0420-014.png

Aizen was already on a higher level with his Chrysalis form since Isshin, Urahara and Yoruichi couldn't feel him. But even at this lowered level he could disintegrate things in his presence with Reiatsu:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-l80YGHK_y...Db-ZHzMRrtWiHZ3gk99GGACHM/s16000/0413-012.png


And this isn't even Reiatsu Crush since it was a lowered level of passive Reiatsu. One has to exert Reiatsu for actual Reiatsu Crush.
 
Zzsax said:
YungManzi said:
^^^Agree with everything except the genjutsu part.
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I said "genjutsu one-shot"..and yes it is a very very lazy argument.

They only work on people considerably weaker,incapacitated,weakened or just stupid.... Does it work as an illusion trick to turn the tide of battle?Yes..but never does it one-shot people unconscious in a battle between equals


If it did these battles would be over in a second

MADARA VS HASHIRAMA(just because hashirama doesn't have a sharingan so madara one-shot..yeah? No)

KAKASHI VS ZABUZA..

KAKASHI VS HIDAN AND KAKUZU

SASUKE VS KAGES

SHIKAMARU VS FLUTE GIRL

TOBIRAMA VS RANDOM UCHIHAS

KURENAI>>>>>anyone.
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someone does not understand mindhax at all.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 wrote: That's blatant downplay,

not really unlike u i dont assume things


Aizen purposefully lowered himself so he could be felt by Tatsuki

its nothing but u assuming he did
 
Captains couldn't sense Aizen but Ichigo's friends could.

Tatsuki > Captains CONFIRMED!!1!
 
Mate, you can only sense Reiatsu if you yourself have Reiryoku.

Tatsuki and Co had notable Reiryoku to see spiritual beings which is why they have better sense. A regular person won't feel even a no-named Shinigami's Reiatsu, but even a no-named regular person has a spirit thus are susceptible to Reiatsu Crush from a no-named Shinigami.

By Aizen's own words, he lowered his Reiatsu to be able to be felt by beings as weak as Tatsuki and Co.
 
You ask me souls crush is kinda useless, even the likes of Tatsuki could whitstand it close range and that guy that's a TV star (forgot his name)

No one really uses this argument anymore, Starrk did kill Hollow fodder, so unless Characters with strong reiatsu are put up against fodders then it's pretty useless
 
Again, you are correct that sensing or not, Reiatsu Crush still kills. You are correct that a fodder Human who couldn't sense a thing died to Aizen. Where your shortcoming is you fail to understand higher level Reiatsu interactions with lower level Reiatsu.

Aizen's Reiatsu is not able to be perceived by Shinigami nor Hollows normally, Tatsuki could feel Aizen's Reiatsu though because he explicitly lowered it so she could. I do not know how you can't understand this when you understand everything else:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-l41HVR5ft...Wt7MGCD5B7svt0rxKIikwwCHM/s16000/0420-014.png

You are literally saying that Aizen and the events of Bleach are wrong. You are literally saying that Aizen didn't lower his Reiatsu around Tatsuki when Aizen literally says he lowered his Reiatsu and flashbacks to Tatsuki.
 
Reiatsu crush has no other feats except for destroying fodder Humen and Hollow, and evaporating a jailer's hands, everyone on his or even lower level were capable of whitstanding his reiatsu without any problems.
 
Disintegrating a bottle and a cane:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-l80YGHK_y...Db-ZHzMRrtWiHZ3gk99GGACHM/s16000/0413-012.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-r7e8s2S8x...n2BekDaK81uyBMpbyRceIQCHM/s16000/0411-017.png

Incapacitating Grimmjow:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3y3ntlO7z...JFmkxBO8hFnSJ51HUHu5IACHM/s16000/0245-008.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4V3LoZ5yC...xUmq2APSK3VWdxFdJpP6BwCHM/s16000/0245-009.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AxYpUt8Pd...vtowWzx1jmCq5DfHhuy4ngCHM/s16000/0245-010.png

The incapacitating Grimmjow scans easily disprove Omimi's point by the way. It shows that Aizen, plus anyone else that has Reiatsu and thus can Reiatsu Crush, is capable of limiting his Reiatsu. His Reiatsu wasn't affecting Grimmjow until he made it affect Grimmjow.
 
Honestly the Grimmjow one makes it look like he just scared Grimmjow. Not to mention it still does not make it suitable for fighting opponents of similar capability.
 
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