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Bleach's Reiatsu Crush in Verse Equalization
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this is interesting im with it only working on weaker people
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I said "genjutsu one-shot"..and yes it is a very very lazy argument.
They only work on people considerably weaker,incapacitated,weakened or just stupid.... Does it work as an illusion trick to turn the tide of battle?Yes..but never does it one-shot people unconscious in a battle between equals
If it did these battles would be over in a second
MADARA VS HASHIRAMA(just because hashirama doesn't have a sharingan so madara one-shot..yeah? No)
KAKASHI VS ZABUZA..
KAKASHI VS HIDAN AND KAKUZU
SASUKE VS KAGES
SHIKAMARU VS FLUTE GIRL
TOBIRAMA VS RANDOM UCHIHAS
KURENAI>>>>>anyone.
someone does not understand mindhax at all.
calling regular genjutsu mindhax is. blatant overestimation..its not on the same level as high telepathy,its an illusion trick and not a very good one. .....it works on only weaker,weakeaned or incapacitated people and can be easily broken out of by any low tier with a brain...it helps as a cheap trick during fights but never one-shots an opponent of considerable power or make them suddenly unconscious ..i explained these with battles above,especially madara vs hashirama....if kurenai or sasuke can't challenge the five kage and suddenly one shot them,i fail to see what kind of "HAX" it is
Only itachi genjutsu really qualifies as mindhax cuz itachi's genjutsu was boss,his genjutsu had genjutsus,it was his main fighting style and was said to be tiers above others.thats what made it scary,but even itachi has no feats of nulling powers or making someone of "equal power" unconsious with genjutsu and just like end the battle with genjutsu and genjutsu only...but even if he did itachi genjutsu is tiers above others.
No need to reply though,shouldnt be bringing this up in a bleach thread,people might get upset.. .i was just drawing similarities between reiatsu crush and genjutsu and the way people use it in versus battles.
They only work on people considerably weaker,incapacitated,weakened or just stupid.... Does it work as an illusion trick to turn the tide of battle?Yes..but never does it one-shot people unconscious in a battle between equals
If it did these battles would be over in a second
MADARA VS HASHIRAMA(just because hashirama doesn't have a sharingan so madara one-shot..yeah? No)
KAKASHI VS ZABUZA..
KAKASHI VS HIDAN AND KAKUZU
SASUKE VS KAGES
SHIKAMARU VS FLUTE GIRL
TOBIRAMA VS RANDOM UCHIHAS
KURENAI>>>>>anyone.
someone does not understand mindhax at all.
calling regular genjutsu mindhax is. blatant overestimation..its not on the same level as high telepathy,its an illusion trick and not a very good one. .....it works on only weaker,weakeaned or incapacitated people and can be easily broken out of by any low tier with a brain...it helps as a cheap trick during fights but never one-shots an opponent of considerable power or make them suddenly unconscious ..i explained these with battles above,especially madara vs hashirama....if kurenai or sasuke can't challenge the five kage and suddenly one shot them,i fail to see what kind of "HAX" it is
Only itachi genjutsu really qualifies as mindhax cuz itachi's genjutsu was boss,his genjutsu had genjutsus,it was his main fighting style and was said to be tiers above others.thats what made it scary,but even itachi has no feats of nulling powers or making someone of "equal power" unconsious with genjutsu and just like end the battle with genjutsu and genjutsu only...but even if he did itachi genjutsu is tiers above others.
No need to reply though,shouldnt be bringing this up in a bleach thread,people might get upset.. .i was just drawing similarities between reiatsu crush and genjutsu and the way people use it in versus battles.
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1.starting to downplay regular genjutsu by calling it not mindhax even thou jiraiya said it work own opponent all 5 sense
2.unlike bleach naruto vers has power to break genjutsu so dont downplay by calling regular genjutsu weak
3.B was much stronger then sasuke yet genjutsu still work own him
4. toad genjutsu 1 shot all nagato path i am sure nagato >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>toad
5.kurama >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>obito yet obito genjutsu work own kurama
just cuz u fail to prove Reiatsu crush work own stronger people that doesn't mean u have to start changing the topic if u think genjutsu is fodder then Make CRT @Zzsax
2.unlike bleach naruto vers has power to break genjutsu so dont downplay by calling regular genjutsu weak
3.B was much stronger then sasuke yet genjutsu still work own him
4. toad genjutsu 1 shot all nagato path i am sure nagato >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>toad
5.kurama >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>obito yet obito genjutsu work own kurama
just cuz u fail to prove Reiatsu crush work own stronger people that doesn't mean u have to start changing the topic if u think genjutsu is fodder then Make CRT @Zzsax
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Omimi said:
Sigh* first of all am not approving or disproving anything about reiatsu crush...if you'd bothered to read my previous post,i called reiatsu crush a lazy argument and it shouldn't be used in battles..so you could put your fan boy pants back on this isn't about bleach Vs naruto.
2) again this isn't about bleach,naruto characters break out of genjutsu either by flaring out chakra(energy specific to their verse) or by pain or by chakra touch to snap out of it. . So it's pretty easy to escape and difficult to get in, that's why it works as a cheap trick. it's not on the same level as mindhax telepathy..it may not be as easy to get out of when opponents don't have energy to equalize hence no energy to flare. .by that logic...
Kurenai solos saitama a 5-B character simply because saitama have no chakra(sounds familiar,yeah must have heard it in a stupid reiatsu crush argument)
3) remind me who won that fight?who got beat and tricked despite it being 4 vs 1 ?Was Bee one-shotted?then the genjutsu didn't do much,did it?
4)remind me who won that fight again?if anything,they easily broke out, it caused jiraiya to let his guard down and it was downhill from there,again didn't help much after all, the stressfull conditions for it to be activated.
5)are you kidding?tailed beast where made by that doujutsu..its been said lots of time that it's their weakness,they are begging to be controlled by it.. This is like saying,oh look a remote control is controlling a device it's supposed to control...yo what will be really HAX kurenai or flute girl controlling tailed beast would be great though..obviously genjutsu is a mind HAX,so it should be easy,never mind the fact they are hundreds of times stronger.
In any case I ain't making a thread, because I don't really care,i Wasnt about to debate genjutsu..i just drew an Example of lazy argument using genjutsu..because momo hinamori reiatsu crushing saitama to death sounds as silly as kurenai KO saitama with genjutsu.. Sorry if I awakened your fanboy tendencies in the process..Lol.
But I promise you that genjutsu debate someday..
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why you gotta say fanboy tho bruh??? he speaking facts. Even if you do have a flux in your flow of energy you wont get out if the user of genjutsu is highly skilled.
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huh?is being called fanboy an insult..you are a fan of something,so fanboy,except the person turns out to be a girl..am a great HST fan,and I don't mind being called a bleach, naruto dbz, or one piece fanboy..sorry if it's upsetting,english is not my first language,so don't really know all the ups and downs.
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you used it like a insult. No one here is dumb bro
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@Zzsax
1) Your wrong. Just because most characters in-verse can break out of low level genjutsu with ease doesn't mean everyone else from different verses can. And even that isn't true. Genin are waay stronger than average humans (I'm talking about non-ninjas) and even most of them get solo'd by low to mid level genjutsu (Mostly because not a lot of characters use genjustu in-verse, so genin aren't fully prepared to deal with it). You really shouldn't bring up Kurenai, she's basically featless.
2) It is a lot more than simply flaring out your chakra, if that was the case genjutsu would literally be useless against anyone capable of releasing chakra from their body (Which any competent ninja can do). Even then, that and the pain thing you mentioned only applies to certain types of genjutsu. There have been multiple times where a character has been in pain while being in a genjutsu (And still be under the genjutsu).
3)Genjutsu mechanics in-verse relationship with bijuu is literally the only reason why he wasn't one-shot by Sasuke's genjutsu.Even if a character has a partner to snap them out of Sasuke's genjutsu, unless they have a feat displaying such things, they won't be able to break out of it.
4)Who won the fight is Irrelevant to the conversation. You said "it works on only weaker,weakeaned or incapacitated people." Omimi proved you wrong.
5)This is just plain downplay.
1) Your wrong. Just because most characters in-verse can break out of low level genjutsu with ease doesn't mean everyone else from different verses can. And even that isn't true. Genin are waay stronger than average humans (I'm talking about non-ninjas) and even most of them get solo'd by low to mid level genjutsu (Mostly because not a lot of characters use genjustu in-verse, so genin aren't fully prepared to deal with it). You really shouldn't bring up Kurenai, she's basically featless.
2) It is a lot more than simply flaring out your chakra, if that was the case genjutsu would literally be useless against anyone capable of releasing chakra from their body (Which any competent ninja can do). Even then, that and the pain thing you mentioned only applies to certain types of genjutsu. There have been multiple times where a character has been in pain while being in a genjutsu (And still be under the genjutsu).
3)Genjutsu mechanics in-verse relationship with bijuu is literally the only reason why he wasn't one-shot by Sasuke's genjutsu.Even if a character has a partner to snap them out of Sasuke's genjutsu, unless they have a feat displaying such things, they won't be able to break out of it.
4)Who won the fight is Irrelevant to the conversation. You said "it works on only weaker,weakeaned or incapacitated people." Omimi proved you wrong.
5)This is just plain downplay.
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Lol this is 2011.
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@astralking
Okay first off presuming to know my emotions from a bunch of letters is just wrong and saying I think everyone is dumb is overstepping...
The fanboy comment was meant as a joke or maybe a tease but not an insult..if you use it as an insult, fine but don't presume the same for me..i already apologized to @omimi(which last I checked isn't you by the way)if he found said comment offending in any way.....i come on here to have fun and don't take things ultra seriously .. Every comment I post, I do so with a lol expression on my face... so PEACE
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Correction I said
1) genjutsu Only "one-shots"(not works on) weaker,weakned or incapacitated people...of course it works,its a technique after all..however when fighting opponents of "comparable power" it only works as a monumental cheap illusion trick and never really solos the battle by making unconscious the opponent. ..this was my statement and fact from the series..
"Genin are waay stronger than average humans (I'm talking about non-ninjas) and even most of them get solo'd by low to mid level genjutsu (Mostly because not a lot of characters use genjustu in-verse, so genin aren't fully prepared to deal with it)."
Hence the weaker or weakened part.and they get scared out of their mind due to lack of experience or guts and don't even think about breaking it or snapping out,but not shikamaru though.
2) kurenai is the best genjutsu user in konoha and one of the best in the series..so I don't see why she can't be used as a perfect example
3) flaring out your energy doesn't seem to be rocket science though.pain and chakra touch all comes down to disrupting your energy which the enemy is controlling...it all comes down to knowing you are in a genjutsu.
Deidara didn't have a bijuu against sasuke and hashirama had no bijuu against madara...in either case there was no one-shot..
4)so how do you expect an out-verse character to have feat of breaking out of genjutsu? the least they can have is a feat of flaring and creating a massive disturbance in their energy, and that should be enough.
"Who won the fight is Irrelevant to the conversation. You said "it works on only weaker,weakeaned or incapacitated people." Omimi proved you wrong.
This is just plain downplay."
5)who won the battle is very relevant because my argument is not about downplay, but how regular genjutsu (by regular I mean not itachi's)is used in battles, to solo Mutiple opponets,power null and most importantly,one-shot opponents of "comparable power"..which it simply has no feats of doing in its verse.or does it?. Fact
Just Like reiatsu crush has no feats of one-shotting opponent of comparable power in its verse(this is what the argument is all about)
@omimi
Yeah,i don't mean to,my point was bleach characters helplessly reiatsu crushing someone to death just because they don't have reiatsu is similar to genjutsu one-shot'n opponents just because they don't have chakra to escape..people misinterpreted my point and called downplay and I had to clear my point...i think I have cleared my points,so am not saying a peep about genjutsu again.
Okay first off presuming to know my emotions from a bunch of letters is just wrong and saying I think everyone is dumb is overstepping...
The fanboy comment was meant as a joke or maybe a tease but not an insult..if you use it as an insult, fine but don't presume the same for me..i already apologized to @omimi(which last I checked isn't you by the way)if he found said comment offending in any way.....i come on here to have fun and don't take things ultra seriously .. Every comment I post, I do so with a lol expression on my face... so PEACE
@yung mazi
Correction I said
1) genjutsu Only "one-shots"(not works on) weaker,weakned or incapacitated people...of course it works,its a technique after all..however when fighting opponents of "comparable power" it only works as a monumental cheap illusion trick and never really solos the battle by making unconscious the opponent. ..this was my statement and fact from the series..
"Genin are waay stronger than average humans (I'm talking about non-ninjas) and even most of them get solo'd by low to mid level genjutsu (Mostly because not a lot of characters use genjustu in-verse, so genin aren't fully prepared to deal with it)."
Hence the weaker or weakened part.and they get scared out of their mind due to lack of experience or guts and don't even think about breaking it or snapping out,but not shikamaru though.
2) kurenai is the best genjutsu user in konoha and one of the best in the series..so I don't see why she can't be used as a perfect example
3) flaring out your energy doesn't seem to be rocket science though.pain and chakra touch all comes down to disrupting your energy which the enemy is controlling...it all comes down to knowing you are in a genjutsu.
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"in-verse relationship with bijuu is literally the only reason why he wasn't one-shot by Sasuke's genjutsu"4)so how do you expect an out-verse character to have feat of breaking out of genjutsu? the least they can have is a feat of flaring and creating a massive disturbance in their energy, and that should be enough.
"Who won the fight is Irrelevant to the conversation. You said "it works on only weaker,weakeaned or incapacitated people." Omimi proved you wrong.
This is just plain downplay."
5)who won the battle is very relevant because my argument is not about downplay, but how regular genjutsu (by regular I mean not itachi's)is used in battles, to solo Mutiple opponets,power null and most importantly,one-shot opponents of "comparable power"..which it simply has no feats of doing in its verse.or does it?. Fact
Just Like reiatsu crush has no feats of one-shotting opponent of comparable power in its verse(this is what the argument is all about)
@omimi
Yeah,i don't mean to,my point was bleach characters helplessly reiatsu crushing someone to death just because they don't have reiatsu is similar to genjutsu one-shot'n opponents just because they don't have chakra to escape..people misinterpreted my point and called downplay and I had to clear my point...i think I have cleared my points,so am not saying a peep about genjutsu again.
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Have you ever read or watched Naruto? Because, if you have, You'd know a lot of what you're saying is illinformed.
Seriously, make a CTR about it and we can hash it out there.
Have you ever read or watched Naruto? Because, if you have, You'd know a lot of what you're saying is illinformed.
Seriously, make a CTR about it and we can hash it out there.
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Well, your points on Genjutsu being similar to RC is faulty. And if you can't defend said points in an appropriate thread due to "Time constraints" or whatever (Whether I make the thread or not apparently), it's best if you just stop trying push that they're similar.Zzsax said:
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There is no similarities between either of them.
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