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Bleach: Yhwach, The Soul King and "Can't Fear Your Own World"

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AnonymousBlank said:
@Kukui
Yes, feats matter. Based on feats, everything The Almighty does is instant. So why are you claiming that the SK's Almighty doesn't work like Yhwach's?

You seem to be confusing the act of using it and how it actually functions. If we both have D.Eagles and you can pull the trigger to it faster than I can, does that make the bullet I fired slower? If you want to say that someone more powerful than Yhwach in every way can't use the same ability to the same extent, please provide proof of such.
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For one, more powerful doesnt always mean faster. And this is not the first time I said this here.

Second, no, thats not how this works. The Burden of Proof is on you to prove that the SK would be able to use the Almighty to the same extent in speeds as Yhwach can and not claim he can just because Yhwach is his son.

Im not denying the function of the power, but I am denying the speed of which said functions is used at. Or in other words, to relate to your example, the speeds of the bullets themselves being comparable.
 
Obviously, I agree with this being used as a buff. 5-B at bare minimum, but should realistically be higher like "At least 5-B, likely 4-C to 3-C.

Ichigo VS. Mario when ovo
 
This argument is dumb. Even if he did everything over the course of years, the SK still needs to apply constant power to prevent his progress so far from reverting back to their original state. And according to previous examples of similar feats, he would just scale to the full value regardless.
 
ZephyrosOmega said:
Obviously, I agree with this being used as a buff. 5-B at bare minimum, but should realistically be higher like "At least 5-B, likely 4-C to 3-C.
Ichigo VS. Mario when ovo
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Sadly the tier 4 stuff only scales to Soul King. Ichigo himself would be 5-B to 5-A
 
@Kukui

..... so you concede that he can his Almighty functions at the same speeds as Yhwach's. The hell are we even arguing for then?
 
KazuiK said:
@Imade, it is not necessary to take the time to do it, look at @Arenasilver's post
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Celestial_Body_Feats I didn't notice this, KazuiK.

A timeframe isn't needed and we already have enough implication to believe it is fast.

Also, we have profiles already on the wiki that have 3-C creation feats that have no timeframe.

We have many profiles on the wiki that are 5-B or 2-C for creating planets or universes despite no timeframe given. There is no reason to say the opposite for the Soul King.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Calm your **** Sigurd. If we are to talk about proof he made the stars as it is never mentioned anywhere. And that the Reishi created by him killing the Hollow = every Reishi ever.
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I'm 100% calm, but your argument is honestly nonsensical to the point of annoyance and completely disconnected from the series itself.

This point you're arguing means literally nothing, the feats are crystal clear which is him creating the dimensions which includes everything in it. I'd advise you to post evidence from the manga or novel to support a single thing you've said so far.

Fact

  • He created Soul Society (which is the dimension itself not a damn planet).
  • He created Hueco Mundo and it's moon since that's the only thing in it.
  • He's the only being capable of doing any of this at this point in the story.
 
Please do not become hostile. Before, I did not agree with Imade about the creation of Reishi but now it seems to make more sense.
 
The Soul King being the source of Reishi is completely irrelevant unless it were specifically stated that he created everything that is Reishi-based. Everything

We don't give the Shinju literally every single chakra-based ability shown in the Narutoverse just because it is the source and creator of Chakra. That wouldn't make any sense.

5-B/5-A to 4-C, sure. Reasonable. Maybe even High 4-C to 4-B is reasonable from what I am seeing. 4-A is possible but sounds stretchy. Tier 3 is out of the question
 
@Paradox

False equivalency. We are saying that the SK created all reishi and created everything that is made of it way back when. Your Shinju comparison is more akin to saying the SK gets every Zanpakuto, Schrift, Fullbring etc since they are comprised of reishi, something no one claimed at all.
 
I don't agree with Tier 3, Gremmy's galaxy shown in Galaxy Room could've been a real Galaxy from the World of the Living.

However, Soul Society still has a starry sky as shown by Tosen, that's undeniable.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
@Kukui
..... so you concede that he can his Almighty functions at the same speeds as Yhwach's. The hell are we even arguing for then?
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Uh, no? Re-read what I last said.

The function of the power I dont disagree with. Like 2 guns function the same by shooting bullets at targets. But what I do disagree with is saying both guns function at the same speeds as each other, like assuming both guns fire bullets that travel at the exact same speeds when nothing proves this.

To give a more better example, lets take a power that multiple people use, that functions the same way as each other, but is functioning at completely different levels of power and speed among the users: The Super Saiayn form from Dragon Ball.

In Dragon Ball, Super Saiyan is a form that allows a Saiyan to exponentially access a greater level of power, speed, and overall stats than their base form. All Super Saiyan forms function the same way, they all increase stats. And in Dragon Ball, multiple Saiyans are able to go Super Saiyan. Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, etc.

Now tell me: would you seriously say Super Saiyan Goten and Super Saiyan Trunks would be as fast or as powerful as their dads would be just because they can also go Super Saiyan? Of course not because thats ridiculous. Their Super Saiyan forms function the same way as they increase stats, but the power and speed of their super saiyan forms function at far inferior levels compared to Goku and Vegeta.

So why assume that the SK's Almighty would be able to function to the same extent as Yhwachs just because of a power-based feat?
 
ParadoxIndifferent said:
The Soul King being the source of Reishi is completely irrelevant unless it were specifically stated that he created everything that is Reishi-based. Everything

We don't give the Shinju literally every single chakra-based ability shown in the Narutoverse just because it is the source and creator of Chakra. That wouldn't make any sense.

5-B/5-A to 4-C, sure. Reasonable. Maybe even High 4-C to 4-B is reasonable from what I am seeing. 4-A is possible but sounds stretchy. Tier 3 is out of the question
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Thank you. This is exactly how I feel as well.
 
No idea why anyone is bringing up timeframes. Wiki standards dont need a timeframes for creation of celestial bodies as has been pointed out.

Prime SK is pretty blatantly stated to have either created multiple celestial bodies. Theres no real denying Tier 4 at a bare minimum based on precedence and wiki standard.

The only debate comes in with if Prime SK reasonably created all the stars in that sky apparently. Itd be a bit odd to presume he somehow was not responsible, however.
 
@Matt, I think he was a troll, after all he made the account now and came to insult him.

I believe that whether he created reishi or not is irrelevant.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Uh, no? Re-read what I last said.

The function of the power I dont disagree with. Like 2 guns function the same by shooting bullets at targets. But what I do disagree with is saying both guns function at the same speeds as each other, like assuming both guns fire bullets that travel at the exact same speeds when nothing proves this.
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Two of the same 9mm firing 9mm rounds fire at the same speed.

Two of the same abilities, except one is more powerful, should at least have the more powerful one be as fast as the other.

Your Super Saiyan analogy is fallacious, it's a mode that amplifies power based on the character.

Almighty is not a mode, it's an ability. Something to compare would be Kamehameha.

Goku is more powerful than Gohan, so why would Goku's Kamehameha be slower and weaker than Gohan's?
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Also, we have profiles already on the wiki that have 3-C creation feats that have no timeframe.

We have many profiles on the wiki that are 5-B or 2-C for creating planets or universes despite no timeframe given. There is no reason to say the opposite for the Soul King.
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Im also going to say that people here need to stop using this as an argument and pretend that 2 wrongs make a right when it doesnt.

If other profiles do this, the call them out and ask for further context on why they are treated the same way. And if there is no further context, then they also need to be downgraded. Simple as that.
 
@Kukui

Are you even aware of the analogy I made? Allow me to make it even more simple for you to understand.

You pull the trigger to a deagle. It has feats of firing bullets at mach 2.

I proceed to also fire a deagle.

Care to explain to me why the bullets fired from the two guns are not travelling the same speed when absolutely nothing says otherwise?

Your DB analogy is also terrible because you are arguing their power level and not the function of the SSJ form.

>SSJ (the ability) is x50 multiplier (its function).

>Almighty (the ability) does things instantly (its function).

Quit strawmanning and actually provide evidence for your baseless claim.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
I don't agree with Tier 3, Gremmy's galaxy shown in Galaxy Room could've been a real Galaxy from the World of the Living.
However, Soul Society still has a starry sky as shown by Tosen, that's undeniable.
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Highly doubt he teleported him to human world, he never showed any dimensional powers which is something he needs to do that.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
At least 4-C, possibly / likely 4-A.There, that is my final offer. Take it or leave it. That way everyone goes home happy. We get to have our cake and eat it too.
Just please let's stop having stupid flamewars over nothing.
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I guess this is a fine compromise if anything then. REMEMBER ONLY THE PRIME SOUL KING SCALES TO THAT!
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
At least 4-C, possibly / likely 4-A.
There, that is my final offer. Take it or leave it. That way everyone goes home happy. We get to have our cake and eat it too.

Just please let's stop having stupid flamewars over nothing.
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This.

At this point, this is getting very annoying and pointless to argue in circles with I already have other stuff to deal with while arguing here.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Matthew Schroeder said:
At least 4-C, possibly / likely 4-A.There, that is my final offer. Take it or leave it. That way everyone goes home happy. We get to have our cake and eat it too.
Just please let's stop having stupid flamewars over nothing.
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I guess this is a fine compromise if anything then.
REMEMBER ONLY THE PRIME SOUL KING SCALES TO THAT!
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I am fine with this compromise and scaling.
 
It's simply wrong to be 4-C when tons of stars were shown in SS sky. As US said, if he moved them to SS or created them the result will be much higher than star level.
 
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