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Doomguy vs Yhwach | 7-1-0 (over)
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Not working then.
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Doomguy fra
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Doomguy BEYOND Negs.
Yhwach's Main power (The Almighty) works by looking into the future and seeing Any sort of Possibility/future timeline that can aid him in any way, and choose that possibility to happen instantly in the present.
Doomguy in his very first key (which Doom 2016 also has respectively) is Blessed and has Fate Manipulation to the 6th-Dimension... already transcending the whole Bleach Cosmology twice-over. Not only that but Every single possibility throughout every viability throughout infinite timelines that was viewed and studied by Urdak, a completely transcendent rave over humanity (who already have much higher technology than IRL's ever dreamed of), viewed and Accepts that Doomguy is an Absolute Constant. He always wins, no matter what.
Plus... Doomguy has Acausality Type 4, making him completely unaffected by Yhwach's Almighty. The Khan Maykr who can see throughout those infinite fractal-expanding timelines... which that alone does make it Low 1-C in perceptional range right? (cus of uncountably-infinite space-time continuums)... could not foresee who the Doom Slayer was... So that heavily implies, if not proving, Yhwach can not even SEE the Doomguy in the future.
Soul King-Absorbed Yhwach is ONLY Low 2-C through Environmental Destruction by him destroying Soul Society, which causes a Chain reaction of the Garganta collapsing). Thus he doesn't directly do that... he is at most Actually (3-A, possibly High 3-A) due to being able to destroy any/all of the Three Worlds which are the size of the Universe (because the Human World is obv the "real world", and its always established in the narrative that the Three Worlds are equal cus of Souls' Balance and all that shenanigans), plus they have the Exact Time-flow.
Doomguy (Classic Doomguy to Doom-64 Key, which 2016 obv also has) can Easily just absorb Yhwach's soul due to him having Essense Manipulation (6-D btw), which in Bleach is basically the very existence of beings, Soul Reapers, Hollows and Quincy Within the Wandenreich/Soul Society.
Yhwach constantly rewriting his own death... does absolutely nothing because remember, at the end. Doomguy always wins throughout the infinite 6-D timelines. AND Doomguy has Accelerated Development in Battle... which can even give him NEW Abilities and Resistances, so the longer Yhwach just wants to drag it out (...if he even can hypothetically) Doomguy will just get more and more powerful and can attain a new ability/power to take him down for good.
TL;DR Yhwach can't do anything to Doomguy, and this is a 100% Stomp.
Sincere apologies, if this is super long. But needs must... If you want me to go even further, feel free to tell me.
Source of Doomguy's absolute constant throughout the infinite fractal timelines/possibilities
Yhwach's Main power (The Almighty) works by looking into the future and seeing Any sort of Possibility/future timeline that can aid him in any way, and choose that possibility to happen instantly in the present.
Doomguy in his very first key (which Doom 2016 also has respectively) is Blessed and has Fate Manipulation to the 6th-Dimension... already transcending the whole Bleach Cosmology twice-over. Not only that but Every single possibility throughout every viability throughout infinite timelines that was viewed and studied by Urdak, a completely transcendent rave over humanity (who already have much higher technology than IRL's ever dreamed of), viewed and Accepts that Doomguy is an Absolute Constant. He always wins, no matter what.
Plus... Doomguy has Acausality Type 4, making him completely unaffected by Yhwach's Almighty. The Khan Maykr who can see throughout those infinite fractal-expanding timelines... which that alone does make it Low 1-C in perceptional range right? (cus of uncountably-infinite space-time continuums)... could not foresee who the Doom Slayer was... So that heavily implies, if not proving, Yhwach can not even SEE the Doomguy in the future.
Soul King-Absorbed Yhwach is ONLY Low 2-C through Environmental Destruction by him destroying Soul Society, which causes a Chain reaction of the Garganta collapsing). Thus he doesn't directly do that... he is at most Actually (3-A, possibly High 3-A) due to being able to destroy any/all of the Three Worlds which are the size of the Universe (because the Human World is obv the "real world", and its always established in the narrative that the Three Worlds are equal cus of Souls' Balance and all that shenanigans), plus they have the Exact Time-flow.
Doomguy (Classic Doomguy to Doom-64 Key, which 2016 obv also has) can Easily just absorb Yhwach's soul due to him having Essense Manipulation (6-D btw), which in Bleach is basically the very existence of beings, Soul Reapers, Hollows and Quincy Within the Wandenreich/Soul Society.
Yhwach constantly rewriting his own death... does absolutely nothing because remember, at the end. Doomguy always wins throughout the infinite 6-D timelines. AND Doomguy has Accelerated Development in Battle... which can even give him NEW Abilities and Resistances, so the longer Yhwach just wants to drag it out (...if he even can hypothetically) Doomguy will just get more and more powerful and can attain a new ability/power to take him down for good.
TL;DR Yhwach can't do anything to Doomguy, and this is a 100% Stomp.
Sincere apologies, if this is super long. But needs must... If you want me to go even further, feel free to tell me.
Source of Doomguy's absolute constant throughout the infinite fractal timelines/possibilities
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Yhwach has multiple absorption abilities, power copying, and can use the Almighty NOT TO SEE the future BuT to change it in battle.
Example: Yhwach can move through the future. Aka “teleport” instantly before Doomguy even know what’s happening. Doom guy will need infinite speed to counter that.
Yhwach uses Almighty to appear already in the future behind Doomguy to absorbed him. What is he doing?
Almighty has multiple abilities. Having resistance to future sight doesn’t give you resistance to the other abilities.
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I literally said in the beginning that Yhwach with the Almighty can "choose any possibility to happen", there's nothing else to be said about that.
Doomguy does have Infinite speed, and its not stated which speed is equalized to. Plus, he has Dashes for increased speed AND Overdrive.
Doomguy is completely resistant to any form of Absorption via Essense Manipulation.
And before/most of all, Doomguy will always win throughout infinite fractal timlines, uncountably infinite space-times. Yhwach can't do anything against that.
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Just a fair reminder, this is Yhwach is all Schrifts. One of them is thought based EE, just to name one. In addition to resistance neg
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Gremmy could only erase stuff he himself created. Else he absolutely would've done it to others, like Yachiru... he did not care for her at all and was completely aware of his capabilities of affecting others, but only turned Yachiru's bones to cookies... yay
Also, Doomguy both having and is resistant to Reality Warping and the such through Essence Manipulation... well, you know
The Visionary is just way too inconsistent and overwanked, I have to say it.
Also, Doomguy both having and is resistant to Reality Warping and the such through Essence Manipulation... well, you know
The Visionary is just way too inconsistent and overwanked, I have to say it.
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Those are powers Doomguy gained according to what is said there. These don’t say resistance.I literally said in the beginning that Yhwach with the Almighty can "choose any possibility to happen", there's nothing else to be said about that.
Doomguy does have Infinite speed, and its not stated which speed is equalized to. Plus, he has Dashes for increased speed AND Overdrive.
Doomguy is completely resistant to any form of Absorption via Essense Manipulation.
And before/most of all, Doomguy will always win throughout infinite fractal timlines, uncountably infinite space-times. Yhwach can't do anything against that.
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Gremmy's EE works on anyone tf? Nothing states that it only works on his own creations.
Not to EE nor Death Manipulation
The Visionary was only inconsistent because the user was incompetent. It was only so weak because Gremmy had no imagination (ironic I know.) In character he usually just uses EE, the only reason he didn't against Kenpachi was PIS
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He is fully able of affecting other people through the Visionary and is aware of that, yet he didn't use EE on Yachiru? Even when she was attacking him, whom Guanael also was doing... Also, I'm rather new, what is PIS? sorry
And even then, his 6-D Blessing and Fate Manipulation of Always Winning...? I forgot, what's even the point of this lol
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Plot Induced Stupidity. It means that even though a character had the clear means to win or succeed in a certain situation, magically they just so happened to be incompetent in that moment. Gremmy could've killed Kenpachi right then are there, but Kenpachi convinced him to fight him in a contest of strength. He also could've killed Yachiru as well, but for some reason just decided not to and just troll her.
Can it even override getting erased from existence before he moves an inch? Not to mention getting erased from non-existence as well since Guanael also has NEP and Gremmy still erased him.
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I see. Thank you
Yes... what? Having Dimensional/existential Transcendence of something overrides absolutely everything of lower dimensions. Genuinely nothing can be done there, Plain and simple
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It could just be one of those abilities that authors came up with at the moment for whatever reason without putting much thought into it, only to never bring it up again
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Nah, it was PIS. Gremmy was very inexperienced with his powers as explained in his backstory since Yhwach never gave him more than two inches of breathing space
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And then the anime changing that, with him being present in both the Uryu counselation and Sternritter Meeting...
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Prob because of debriefing. He still very obviously doesn't have experience with his powers. Kenpachi proved that when he exploited his inexperience.
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Aren’t this resistances just different types of mind manipulation? I don’t see how the button and upper part are related to each other besides the category of the powers.
Sincere apologies for not showing it.
Churchill
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??? No?
Have you gone through the essence page?
Nothing even hints at it being just different facets of mind hax
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Rage, delirium, mindless zombies is all mind manipulation stages of the same type mind control resistance. Can you quote the ones you are talking about?
Churchill
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These ones right here.
He has resistance to essence manipulation not just bits of abilities granted by essence.
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Either way, in case it isn't obvious. This is an Easy vote for Doomguy from me
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That’s like saying Yhwach has resistance to reiatsu based powers therefore he is resistance to every single hax in Bleach.
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I mean... Aizen himself and other characters repeatedly state, the higher Reiryoku individual always overpowers and resists the lower Reiryoku individual's powers...
Like him completely resisting Suì-Fēng's Suzumebachi, which has Existence Erasure btw
Like him completely resisting Suì-Fēng's Suzumebachi, which has Existence Erasure btw
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Which is also inconsistent as Nanana's Schrift was able to affect Aizen despite the Reiatsu diff.
Churchill
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No it's not??
Yhwach has no such resistance to reiatau manipulation, just applications on it.
Doomguy literally, as it is on his profile, has resistance to essence manipulation.
So no, it's not even similar
Still voting Doom
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We'll see what the Anime does. I would not be surprised in the slightest if that is completely changed/removed.
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I still don't see how Essence is saving him from the treasure trove of haxes he has.
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Another thing too, Yhwach also has Mid-Godly with the Miracle, Doomguy's regen neg is too weak to stop him from regenerating, nor does he negate type 8 immortality. He literally cannot kill him.
Also Doomguy's fate manip has no feats of him being able to win fights where he just instantaneously dies without a thought from being erased from existence and non-existence. Claiming that he can come back from that is NLF.
Also Doomguy's fate manip has no feats of him being able to win fights where he just instantaneously dies without a thought from being erased from existence and non-existence. Claiming that he can come back from that is NLF.
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You telling me Nanana paralyzed Aizen for 5 minutes, but it didn’t do anything to Byakuya?
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