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Bleach: Yhwach, The Soul King and "Can't Fear Your Own World"
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I wrote 3-A instead of the intended 3-C. I edited my comment as soon as I noticed it.Matthew Schroeder said:
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5-A to 4-C is fine for now. Reguarding higher tiers, we should probably get this on, and someone can make a later CRT if they have disagreements
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It's holding back 3 planets, colliding 3 planets together and stopping 3 planets from colliding.The real cal howard said:
The highest of these three would be the tier of the Weakened Soul King.
Soul King Yhwach would be 2 times the Weakened Soul King, Ichigo and Aizen scale to this Yhwach.
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I'd say more 4-A than 3-C tho.
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Pretty BS to asse that the Soul King put the worlds in dimensions entirely empty and then just made everything there with a finger snap. Despite in-universe hype he is not an all powerful god and his feats clearly took some time / work. It wasn't a "And God said, let there be light." scenario.
Also the notion that the Soul King literally telekinetically moved the stars from one universe to another at Massively FTL+ Speeds as if that's how the Three Worlds even work (They seem much more like different planes of existence than parallel universe floating in a void)...
Honestly, please tell me that's bait.
Also the notion that the Soul King literally telekinetically moved the stars from one universe to another at Massively FTL+ Speeds as if that's how the Three Worlds even work (They seem much more like different planes of existence than parallel universe floating in a void)...
Honestly, please tell me that's bait.
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The real cal howard said:
I agree.
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Now I know you glossed over part of the CRT, Matthew. I explained this above.Matthew Schroeder said:
The dimensions of Soul Society and Hueco Mundo are made of Reishi, the Soul King would have to have made the things in those dimensions since he made Reishi.
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And they are pretty much in a void.
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I don't think I've seen anyone arguing this...Matthew Schroeder said:
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If he did not create them and did not move them, what happened then? Did they come out of nowhere?
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Which is why I'm fine with Likely 4-C since we know for a fact about the sun in Soul Society.
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Well that wouldn't be Likely 4-C, Matthew. That's "At least 4-C".
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There is no likely, you cannot deny this fact. everything in Soul Society was created by him and him only.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ired_to_destroy_a_dimension_with_a_starry_sky
Since creation is equal to destruction here, he's at the bare min 4-A.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ired_to_destroy_a_dimension_with_a_starry_sky
Since creation is equal to destruction here, he's at the bare min 4-A.
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There are only two options for this:
1 - SK created the stars
2 - SK moved the stars
It's one or the other.
1 - SK created the stars
2 - SK moved the stars
It's one or the other.
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Likely, or just 4-C or whatever my point is I don't think we should rate him as anything more than Star level.
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The Soul King was dead and Yoruichi confirms that Mimihagi is the one who is holding the worlds together, I posted this above.M11UTD said:
Also, when Mimihagi died the worlds started to collide again. So he was holding them back.
Pre-SK Yhwach was not comparable to Ichibei, he one-shot Ichibei.
The last isn't true.
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This is personal opinion, ignoring the facts shown here.
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But wouldn't it be:Matthew Schroeder said:
At least 4-C, likely 4-A or 3-C like Cal Howard said?
It's at least 4-C and it is likely however since he did make everything in Soul Society and Hueco Mundo.
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Starry sky, not just a star.Sekkonds. said:
I knew what you were talking about but just wanted to fix this small error to not rub others the wrong way.
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Evidence that he made all the stars simultaneously with a snap, like you are implying?
The Soul King lived for literally millions of years, and has plenty of time to stabilize and shape his creation. If he is 4-C, then we are assuming he can make at least one star with relative esse. Under this condition, he'd fill the skies of Soul Society with stars relatively quickly, as there are only about 8,000 stars visible in our night sky.
All that is required for the Soul King to reasonably make the stars of Soul Society is the capability to make a single star, the necessary range, and time.
So yes, I think 4-C is fine but anything beyond that is unfounded.
The Soul King lived for literally millions of years, and has plenty of time to stabilize and shape his creation. If he is 4-C, then we are assuming he can make at least one star with relative esse. Under this condition, he'd fill the skies of Soul Society with stars relatively quickly, as there are only about 8,000 stars visible in our night sky.
All that is required for the Soul King to reasonably make the stars of Soul Society is the capability to make a single star, the necessary range, and time.
So yes, I think 4-C is fine but anything beyond that is unfounded.
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He was dead indeed but his body did have power, since we saw Yhwach absorbing it later, Mimihagi would have reason to hold the SK body. And Yhwach being kicked around by Ichibei, he won via Almighty hax not via being superior in power.IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
And I don't understand what you mean by "isn't true" since it was stated in the databook.
- you can reply anytime you want later, to get clear answer, since it's not the main topic that's being discussed right now so no worry.
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If true, this only scales to the Prime Soul King as he made the dimensions of Soul Society and Hueco Mundo and what is inside them.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
Weakend Soul King only scales to being able to collide 3 worlds, and move/stop 3 worlds from colliding.
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Easy, Almighty and he just thinks it's also implied Gremmy is his Brain multiple times.
There is also the fact Ichibe made no comment on it taking a vast amount of time, but he did for everything else.
There is also the fact Ichibe made no comment on it taking a vast amount of time, but he did for everything else.
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That he can make a sun with mental power (Which mind you isn't mentioned in those excerpts. But rather a reasonable assumption from IMade) does not mean it doesn't take effort or time. Characters with psionic powers aren't omnipotent.
Ichibe didn't bring up it taking time because he didn't bring up the stars to begin with.
Ichibe didn't bring up it taking time because he didn't bring up the stars to begin with.
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This is not true, the Soul King made everything at once, I posted the quotes above:Matthew Schroeder said:
In order to turn this division into a reality, what was required was the power of a man who transcended everything.
"Although the Shiba ancestor tried to talk the Tsunayashiro ancestor out of it, it is said that the Rei-o was tied up and sealed within the crystal. The rest of Soul Society's history was witnessed directly by myself."
A man who was later named the Rei-o.
Using his powers of the Almighty as the 'keystone', the five of them created the foundation of a new world. Soul Society, the Material World and Hueco Mundo. Life and death were separated. The Soul Cycle ushered in a new era.
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"Perhaps it was because he could see the far-flung future.... Maybe he could not escape his fear; or maybe he found some hope in the new world.... I don't really understand... But the Rei-o dared not resist it."
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"But the Tsunayashiro ancestor doubted even this non-resistance. Afraid of the Rei-o escaping from his seal by himself; he neither wanted the Rei-o to live nor did he want to kill him. Continuing this helix of contradictions, the Right Arm of 'stagnation' and the Left Arm of 'Progress' were torn off."
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"Well; I suppose that still wasn't enough. The ancestors; including Tsunayashiro; gouged out his heart and internal organs; and dismembered both his legs. Doing so, they destroyed his power; creating a king convenient for themselves."
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"Convenient indeed. He continues to remain the lynchpin without ever having a say in the workings of this world, while the real business is carried out by others."
The Soul King made everything upon being sealed.
After being sealed he was mutilated by the Tsunayashiro head out of fear.
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What non sequitur nonsense is this? Raising a small country casually is in no way an argument for the casualness of Tier 5 and 4 feats.
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There is no timeframe for thousands of dimension creation tiers on this site smol exampleMatthew Schroeder said:
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