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If the Garganta collapses then everything would be gone which is counterintuitive to his goals.
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Bleach: Muken's Size and God Tiers
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Well yeah it’s not a planet merge. He was going to merge both dimensions back to their original form. Life meaning the world of the living and death meaning the spiritual world.
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No because he was stated by Askin that he's going to collapse everything and create a new state of existence. Either way he's replicating the Soul King's universal split but in reverse.
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Yeah he’s essentially doing the reverse. I get what you’re saying don’t get me wrong. You should have just argued that instead of Muken.
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and this doesnt contradict anything as yhwach was going to reverse everything reio did
and its accepted he made garganta
Garganta:
The Garganta is a void filled with a chaos of Reishi and unstable Reiatsu. However, it's not a true void in the descriptions of the wiki as it possesses Reiatsu and Reishi inside. Plus random pockets of Kyogoku exist within it as well.However, the Garganta connects Hueco Mundo to the World of the Living as it the source of traveling to the World of the Living from Hueco Mundo by Hollows. It also surrounds practically everything in the Bleachverse as it surrounds the World of the Living, Soul Society, the Dangai and Kyogoku.
The Garganta must have been created by the Soul King as it connects Hueco Mundo to the World of the Living and surrounds the cosmology of Bleach the the Soul King created.
i got it from https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:3142037
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Exactly my point. Yhwach should scale to whatever Soul King is treated as.
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Muken should be infinite.Its name literally means infinite and Ichibe says everything in the SS(barring character names)were named by him and that names form the basic characteristic of everything.Then we have Unohana correlating the name to size,then Kenpachi’s says its an infinite hell and the the novels states it to be “infinite darkness”
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Running on the lines of this Soul Society and World of the Living are casually closed off by a separate spacetime, as per Isshin's quote that the Dangai is a separate spacetime from SS and WotL. So they are indeed separate from each other.
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I know that sounds persuasive to you, since you already believe it but "infinite hell" or "infinite darkness" is clearly hyperbole to me. Also arguing that every name is 100% literal is a very bad argument because then "Almighty" would make Yhwach omnipotent
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i agree we should ignore infinite hell/darkness
but muken still would be infinite it has the evidence for it i already explained it above
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Considering Yhwach has the powers of the body, both arms, heart, and implied brain of the Soul King, (plus all the other absorbed powers) he is for all intents and purposes the Prime Soul King.
Destroying the Garganta should be rated at least twice that of destroying the realm of Soul Society since it houses SS and WotL and WotL is a parallel to SS. I know SS has a starry sky. Although Gremmy imagines a void of space with a galaxy, meaning he's at least seen galaxies before, so logically the realms likely contain galaxies.
Omnipotent could just mean super strong or strongest in the verse, in which I'd argue Yhwach is "Almighty" within his verse. Infinite on the other hand means infinite.
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If you want the Tiering to change, I don't really think it's relevant because Muken statements can be easily disregarded as hyperbole
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Bro I’m only talking about those things which r named by Ichibe.The Almighty isn’t named by him but Muken is,which means Ichibe’s statement about names forming the basic characteristics of an object is only applicable on Muken not Almighty
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it isnt a hyperbole when a in verse character acknowledges the reason as to why it is named what it is
and also connects the name to the size
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The sword names are also not literal (in fact they are super metaphorical) so there goes that
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IIRC Ichibe just knows the names of Zanpakuto and didn't name every Zanpakuto. I know he named techniques like Shikai and Bankai.
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Connecting with size is not the same as being literally infinite. Just very very large. Also it's a scaling nightmare. If only an infinite space can withstand Kenpachi's full strength, then there's about 20 different characters that would end up getting High 3-A. Which I don't support at all
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An infinite space being able to contain Kenpachi's full strength means that Kenpachi is inherently less than infinity so it doesn't introduce any scaling issues. It just means there was no finite sized area in Soul Society that was big enough.
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Ichibe doesn’t name the swords.Thats Nimaiya’s job and by erasing the name of the sword also erases its ability which means that the ability relies on the name.
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It also means that Kenpachi is likely at least 3-A so there goes that. ****** Bazz B can be scaled to this
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Ichibe’s statement further amplifies the argument so its good to bring it up
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If you have a scan of Ichibe saying he named Muken (specifically). I'd like to see it
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let me give u an example
as the name of this thread suggests
this thread is supposed to be about how large mugen is
unohana did a similar thing
kubo couldve made her say "muken is an infinite space" but that can be considered a hyperbole
thus by making her say "as the name suggests it is essentially infinite"
gives it more support and shows the character is actually acknowledging why it is called muken and isnt just saying it is infinite just to say it is big
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Not at all it just means they were taking maximum precautions to ensure Kenpachi didn't hurt anyone while training and Unohana states that Central 46 or the head captain gave the order.
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Ichibe's statement is literally the only leg to stand on if you want to prove Muken is infinite. Because he actually does impart properties to what he names by the act of naming them. What Unohana said means jack shit. It is hyperbole by default
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Ichibe imparting properties onto the objects he names means Unohana's statement is not hyperbole by default.
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Essentially infinite =/= actually infinite
There's your hyperbole
Also this thread is actually about changing character Tierings - that is the final objective
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using kenny as an argument is weak
it could mean they didnt want the seiretei being destroyed or any area so they made them fight in muken where nothing would be destroyed not that kenny is 3A
like would boxers fight in a crowd of people? no
they would fight in an area where they arent close to others and others are safe
and i think the ichibei argument isnt necessary unohana already is enough as i explained
it could mean they didnt want the seiretei being destroyed or any area so they made them fight in muken where nothing would be destroyed not that kenny is 3A
like would boxers fight in a crowd of people? no
they would fight in an area where they arent close to others and others are safe
and i think the ichibei argument isnt necessary unohana already is enough as i explained
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I haven't seen any proof yet that Ichibe personally named Muken
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Essentially is defined as "the most fundamental aspect of an object being referred to" so it does mean actually infinite.
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The easiest way to treat it, I think, is as a domain with the area of a planet underneath Soul Society, with no obstructions or walls, and far enough down that their fight wouldn't affect anything up above. I.e. Roughly the same size as Soul Society itself.
What we know about Yhwach and the Soul King's power, as far as "Cannot Fear Your Own World" is concerned, it is confirmed the Soul King's power is what created both the realms of Soul Society and Hueco Mundo, which is also why they'd collapse if he is killed - his power is the sole reason the realms exist in their current forms.
What level the Soul King's power really scales to, on the other hand, might be harder to pin down since he had to create the spaces within which Soul Society and Hueco Mundo reside, as well.
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He named most things in SS.
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What Unohana said doesn't mean anything
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Named "Most" things in SS isn't the same as "named Muken". It could very well be one of the things he didn't name
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I disagree for reasons stated throughout this entire CRT.
I'd have to find the quote.
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