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Bleach: Muken's Size and God Tiers
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Go look for the SK thread from like a year ago. Shouldn’t be hard to find if you just use his tags.
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I'm still Neutral here. Waiting for a Slamdunk Argument from either side.
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The information is in CFYOW, so either go through fan translations of the novels or buy the books yourself. https://vsbattles.com/threads/bleach-yhwach-the-soul-king-and-cant-fear-your-own-world.52743/ old thread here might be useful.
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Same, although i think we're making too much of a fuss. Things seem rather straightforward.
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Well firstly rereading that SK creating any specific world is simply stated by IMade and not in the text, what is stated however is that his power was used to create a "foundation" for the 3 worlds, we dont know what said foundation really means. We simply know that he seperated the original world into 3.
Also looks like we had a mix up ahead. The Garganta itself is not a seperate space-time. The Dangai is those are 2 differentl things. The Dangai is what links SS and the Human world. This doesnt not mean that SS, the human world and Heuco Mundo are 3 different space times.
Also looks like we had a mix up ahead. The Garganta itself is not a seperate space-time. The Dangai is those are 2 differentl things. The Dangai is what links SS and the Human world. This doesnt not mean that SS, the human world and Heuco Mundo are 3 different space times.
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The only connection between soul society and the living world being a space that is "cut off from space and time" very strongly suggests that the living world and Soul Society are separate space times
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so
it is accepted reio created everything except hell and the og universe
and the novels say he was going to reverse everything which is backed up by him wanting to merge life and death and return the world to how it was https://s1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Bleach/0686-012.png further backed up by https://s1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Bleach/0627-002.png
(as the garganta is something rei o made which is accepted and making it disappear is reversing what he did)
and world of the living is a universe as it is based on our world and we already went over how soul society mirrors it
both are separated by the dangai which has its own time space and connects the two as yoruichi said https://s1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Bleach/0625-012.png meaning normally they arent connected so they shouldnt have the same space time
so these two realms dont have the same time space
this would result in 2C
it is accepted reio created everything except hell and the og universe
and the novels say he was going to reverse everything which is backed up by him wanting to merge life and death and return the world to how it was https://s1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Bleach/0686-012.png further backed up by https://s1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Bleach/0627-002.png
(as the garganta is something rei o made which is accepted and making it disappear is reversing what he did)
and world of the living is a universe as it is based on our world and we already went over how soul society mirrors it
both are separated by the dangai which has its own time space and connects the two as yoruichi said https://s1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Bleach/0625-012.png meaning normally they arent connected so they shouldnt have the same space time
so these two realms dont have the same time space
this would result in 2C
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Strongly suggests is nto god enough and it doesnt strongly suggest that, it simply says that the Garganta has a seperate space time to actual realms. And we know from what we have observed that at least time flows the same way in both of those dimensions.
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What I see is a lot of arbitrary cut offs - like they aren't separate space times even though they are only accessible from each other by going outside space time - and waffling over what the creation feat actually stands for. There is no reason to assume Soul Society isn't a complete universe given that it's always shown to be a parallel to the living world
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It is not stated he created those things. He simply seperated the original universe that is all we know.
the world of the living is clearly not just like ours if it was seperated from an actual universe.
The Garganta is never stated to be a seperate space time only the Dangai is.
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Dude I was talking about the Dangai and time doesn't flow in the same way inside the Dangai as in the Living world or Soul Society - that was literally a plot point
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No arbitary waffling is assuming that something that is not stated to be a seperate space-time is just because it is connected by something explicitly stated to be a seperate space time.
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And the Dangai is not Garganta which is what actually matters.
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Here's what has been actually stated about the different realms :
Dangai : is cut off from the time and space of Living world and Soul Society. Connects the two main realms. Time flows in a different way here
Garganta : is the void that encompasses everything - the two realms and dangai. Nothing has been stated about space or time within this
Dangai : is cut off from the time and space of Living world and Soul Society. Connects the two main realms. Time flows in a different way here
Garganta : is the void that encompasses everything - the two realms and dangai. Nothing has been stated about space or time within this
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Man please just read CFYOW and come back better informed. It has been accepted that the SK created everything except the original world and hell. It's been accepted because there's undoubted evidence for it.
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And what is your interpretation of the Bleach cosmology pray tell ? That the Soul Society is a pocket dimension of some sort ?
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If you have to exit space-time to travel to a place - that place doesn't belong in your space-time. It's literally as simple as that
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I saw the evidence above if there was something better it should have been there. If not that is far from undoubtable.
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I'm still interested in knowing your version of how it should be because you are just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing
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The human world, SS and Heuco Mundo were all seperated from the main universe. The Garganta is simply what is formed in their seperation and would automatically disappear in their combination regardless of how correct that is doesnt matter when compared to giving evidence about whether he created of of those things.
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There's absolutely no way you went through the thread or have read CFYOW if you believe such.
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It is not, different dimensions does not necessarily mean different space-times. Especially if said dimensions were formed from one universe.
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That separation is still a 3-A to 2-C feat
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Then link better evidence. I went through the evidence you linked me and specifically were IMade states what was created. And it is not stated he created what you say he did:
"Using his powers of the Almighty as the 'keystone', the five of them created the foundation of a new world. Soul Society, the Material World and Hueco Mundo. Life and death were separated. The Soul Cycle ushered in a new era."
This is the statements specifically.
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Feel free to debunk it 
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The Universe was split into separate space times. This is literally based on actual statements because the Dangai is cut off from the space and time of Living world and SS
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Seperation is not destruction or creation I personally dont see it as an AP feat. It is a space-time hax feat though. which makes sense with the powers of the Almighty which is what he is stated to have used to do said seperation.
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Debunk what? It is literally not stated that he created anything specifcally apart from a foundation which means nothing in particular.Feel free to debunk it
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The Dangai is not the living world or SS or even Garganta. It is simply said that there were sepearated, by space yeah, whether by time is debatable.
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Isnt that what I am doing? Dont know what you are trying to say here.
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According to you, it is at least it is proof of Soul King and Yhwach have Universal level Hax abilities then ?
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It means that at least the Alive SK has universal range with his hax yes. But range is not AP.
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Isshin says Dangai is a separate spacetime from SS and WotL. I provided a scan earlier.
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Yeah maybe Ichibei created everything else. I don’t think you should argue against something you don’t know too well. He’s the only being capable of doing those things. It’s literally stated only he can do things on such a scale.
How would soul society and the human world even be a thing without making the Dangai?
How would their be a Garganta filled with Reishi when he was literally is the one who spread Reishi.
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I just said multiple times why that doesnt matter for the dimensions or Garganta.
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