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Introduction
I've been sitting on loads of accepted speed calcs for Bleach for a long, long time. So, I figured I'd do things piecemeal and implement the God Tier speed calcs now, because the scaling is relatively self contained and simple. Also, this should whet y'all's appetite for the meantime until summer.
Calculation 1
Alex coccslapped the initial version, so here's the new accepted version.
Relativistic end accepted ^
Calculation 2
Resurreccion Hikone blitzes Grimmjow. Again, to clarify, I am only proposing the accepted end that appears within the results section.
Relativistic+ end accepted ^
Calculation 3
Yhwach's Auswahlen and dark reiatsu travel massive distances in very short time periods. Unlike the last two, this calc is far more obvious what ends are accepted lol.
A quick note, no, Vollstandig Liltotto doesn't scale to this calc. A) that has already been rejected, B) there's no way to properly calc her "evasion" of Asuwahlen, and C) this falls somewhat under aimdodging as she knew it was coming ahead of time thanks to Robert Acutrone getting hit in front of her.
Accepted ends accepted ^
Scaling
For the most part, I don't plan on changing any of the scaling, there is a little bit of clean up however. This thread is also not the thread to address multipliers, albeit Ichigo's are more or less fine, I plan on giving that its own thread.
TYBW God Tier scaling:
casual TS Ichigo (Rel from Femritter blitz) <<< serious TS Ichigo (FTL from Yhwach's dark reiatsu) ~ Almighty Yhwach < TS HoS Ichigo (FTL+ from multipliers) ~< SK Yhwach ~ Muken Aizen ~ TB Ichigo < TB HoS Ichigo (MFTL from multipliers)
Same old rodeo for these guys ^
CFYOW God Tier scaling:
Res Hikone (Rel+ from his own calc and blog, up to LS from his blog) ~ Bankai Ginjo (likely) ~ base Kenpachi < Bankai Kenpachi (higher)
A few things of note, Ginjo gets a likely because the author says maybe he could handle Hikone, so it's not concrete. Furthermore, currently we scale Mayuri and Kisuke's speed to Res Hikone's. That needs to go, they are stated to be able to handle Hikone with prep time, we have no idea what that prep could be, too many unknowns, thus I don't think we should scale them at all to Hikone. Also, scaling Res Hikone to his own calc is better than scaling him to the full value of Muken Aizen, because currently we accept he slightly downscales from Muken Aizen, and it's stated a serious Aizen would defeat Hikone. Although a possibly FTL+ rating could be fine to tack on.
Deicide God Tier scaling:
God Aizen ~ Dangai Ichigo ~< serious TS Ichigo (FTL from Yhwach's dark reiatsu) >>> casual TS Ichigo (Rel from Femritter blitz)
The speed for Deicide arc versions of Ichigo and Aizen are massively outdated and use the justifications for when we accepted TS = Dangai, but that has since then been rejected (see me last uni Bleach thread) and never got implemented. Furthermore, since Hikone downscales slightly from the likes of an Aizen and Ichigo far stronger than their Deicide counterparts, it is incorrect to scale the Deicide counterparts to Hikone. Hence, I'm proposing Dangai Ichigo downscales from his TS self, whether that take shape in giving him casual TS Ichigo's ratings, or downscaling from FTL to LS, or some mix of the two doesn't matter much to me.
Conclusion
Bleach is sorely lacking in calcs, and these calcs seem rather self-consistent and supportive of each other. Regardless, I am curious what everyone thinks and please keep discussion relevant to the application of the feats, the changes to scaling are mainly clean up that was missed and left not applied in past threads, and I will address Bleach multipliers in its very own thread. I'd rather not have this thread derailed into oblivion. I'll write up proper justifications at the end of this thread.
Agree: US69, Duedate, Tracer, LordGriff, Mitch, Clover, M3X
Disagree: Damage (disagrees with calc 3), DT (disagreed with the old versions of calcs 1 and 2)
I've been sitting on loads of accepted speed calcs for Bleach for a long, long time. So, I figured I'd do things piecemeal and implement the God Tier speed calcs now, because the scaling is relatively self contained and simple. Also, this should whet y'all's appetite for the meantime until summer.
Calculation 1
Alex coccslapped the initial version, so here's the new accepted version.
Relativistic end accepted ^
Calculation 2
Resurreccion Hikone blitzes Grimmjow. Again, to clarify, I am only proposing the accepted end that appears within the results section.
Relativistic+ end accepted ^
Calculation 3
Yhwach's Auswahlen and dark reiatsu travel massive distances in very short time periods. Unlike the last two, this calc is far more obvious what ends are accepted lol.
A quick note, no, Vollstandig Liltotto doesn't scale to this calc. A) that has already been rejected, B) there's no way to properly calc her "evasion" of Asuwahlen, and C) this falls somewhat under aimdodging as she knew it was coming ahead of time thanks to Robert Acutrone getting hit in front of her.
Accepted ends accepted ^
Scaling
For the most part, I don't plan on changing any of the scaling, there is a little bit of clean up however. This thread is also not the thread to address multipliers, albeit Ichigo's are more or less fine, I plan on giving that its own thread.
TYBW God Tier scaling:
casual TS Ichigo (Rel from Femritter blitz) <<< serious TS Ichigo (FTL from Yhwach's dark reiatsu) ~ Almighty Yhwach < TS HoS Ichigo (FTL+ from multipliers) ~< SK Yhwach ~ Muken Aizen ~ TB Ichigo < TB HoS Ichigo (MFTL from multipliers)
Same old rodeo for these guys ^
CFYOW God Tier scaling:
Res Hikone (Rel+ from his own calc and blog, up to LS from his blog) ~ Bankai Ginjo (likely) ~ base Kenpachi < Bankai Kenpachi (higher)
A few things of note, Ginjo gets a likely because the author says maybe he could handle Hikone, so it's not concrete. Furthermore, currently we scale Mayuri and Kisuke's speed to Res Hikone's. That needs to go, they are stated to be able to handle Hikone with prep time, we have no idea what that prep could be, too many unknowns, thus I don't think we should scale them at all to Hikone. Also, scaling Res Hikone to his own calc is better than scaling him to the full value of Muken Aizen, because currently we accept he slightly downscales from Muken Aizen, and it's stated a serious Aizen would defeat Hikone. Although a possibly FTL+ rating could be fine to tack on.
Deicide God Tier scaling:
God Aizen ~ Dangai Ichigo ~< serious TS Ichigo (FTL from Yhwach's dark reiatsu) >>> casual TS Ichigo (Rel from Femritter blitz)
The speed for Deicide arc versions of Ichigo and Aizen are massively outdated and use the justifications for when we accepted TS = Dangai, but that has since then been rejected (see me last uni Bleach thread) and never got implemented. Furthermore, since Hikone downscales slightly from the likes of an Aizen and Ichigo far stronger than their Deicide counterparts, it is incorrect to scale the Deicide counterparts to Hikone. Hence, I'm proposing Dangai Ichigo downscales from his TS self, whether that take shape in giving him casual TS Ichigo's ratings, or downscaling from FTL to LS, or some mix of the two doesn't matter much to me.
Conclusion
Bleach is sorely lacking in calcs, and these calcs seem rather self-consistent and supportive of each other. Regardless, I am curious what everyone thinks and please keep discussion relevant to the application of the feats, the changes to scaling are mainly clean up that was missed and left not applied in past threads, and I will address Bleach multipliers in its very own thread. I'd rather not have this thread derailed into oblivion. I'll write up proper justifications at the end of this thread.
Agree: US69, Duedate, Tracer, LordGriff, Mitch, Clover, M3X
Disagree: Damage (disagrees with calc 3), DT (disagreed with the old versions of calcs 1 and 2)
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