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This thread concerns the distance between the Seireitei in the Soul Society, and the Soul King’s palace. Two distant locations that have no solid distance statement for how far apart they are but do have some statements / feats for travel between them.

Since this is a controversial topic, I would like to remind everyone that this thread is primarily for

We are given a statement from one of the Zero Division members that if Ichigo uses a “regular Shunpo” from the Soul King’s palace that he should arrive at Soul Society in a week, and this statement is given after he provides a lengthy set of spiral stairs for Ichigo to travel down.

Ichigo declares that if it takes a week using regular Shunpo then if he "hurries like hell" it will only take him half a day. This is later proven true:

Essentially meaning it took Ichigo 9 hours, 15 minutes to complete his journey.

The primary issue is that we don't have a stated speed for Ichigo's journey. Our requirements under the calc stacking page say this:

We don't have a reliably stated speed to work with, even if we do have a reliable timeframe. Some people have tried to use assumptions like "

While Ichigo's feats are fine to rate him by, it is not something that can be used for this calc.

So what can we do with minimal assumptions from the statements we have? Well, Ichigo near the beginning of his journey appears to break the sound barrier as he hurries down there. So as a baseline we could assume supersonic speed for Ichigo's travel, and use the 9 hours, 15 minutes timeframe for a distance of:

We could also go off of Tenjiro's statement that a week's travel time with Shunpo would get you there. Shunpo is a technique that is frequently used for FTE travel over short distances. Unfortunately no exact speed is stated for it, or for Ichigo's speed with it. Assuming baseline FTE speed (which is 34.3 m/s on the Speed page), for 1 week's duration, that would get a distance of:

USklaverei has created

Another option - my preferred one - is to simply not calculate the distance at all, and scale the verse without it like we're currently doing. The results we get from being conservative are extremely low and not reflective of Ichigo's true speed. The latter results procured from calc stacking predictably lead to inflated results.

I'd like the opinions from other Calc Group Members as to whether these possible solutions are reasonable, or if there are alternative suggestions.

Since this is a controversial topic, I would like to remind everyone that this thread is primarily for

**Calc Group Members and other knowledgeable members of staff**. If anybody has any relevant information concerning this topic, please share it with me on my message wall.**Statements**We are given a statement from one of the Zero Division members that if Ichigo uses a “regular Shunpo” from the Soul King’s palace that he should arrive at Soul Society in a week, and this statement is given after he provides a lengthy set of spiral stairs for Ichigo to travel down.

Ichigo declares that if it takes a week using regular Shunpo then if he "hurries like hell" it will only take him half a day. This is later proven true:

- The Quincy Invasion begins at 5 PM.
- Ichgio starts travelling three hours after the invasion begins.
- Ichigo crash-lands in Seireitei at 5:15 AM.

Essentially meaning it took Ichigo 9 hours, 15 minutes to complete his journey.

**Issues**The primary issue is that we don't have a stated speed for Ichigo's journey. Our requirements under the calc stacking page say this:

We don't have a reliably stated speed to work with, even if we do have a reliable timeframe. Some people have tried to use assumptions like "

*Ichigo must be lightning speed, because he fought lightning-using characters after this and reacted to lightning-speed attacks*", but this has issues as it is an entirely separate feat and trying to use this assume speed is not allowed as per the Calc Stacking page guidelines here:Hiding calculations is the practice of trying to avoid calculating a feat in order to be able to use the result in another calculation. In other words it is the practice of trying to fool people into not noticing that calc stacking is being used.

This usually occurs if a feat is quantified per a rule of thumb instead of precisely calculated. A typical example would be a character dodging a bullet from a short distance being ranked as "Supersonic" and then using that ranking to calculate the speed of another character, whose speed one can compare to the former in some feat.

While it is acceptable to rank a character by such a self-evident feat without a calculation, one should keep in mind that the unwritten calculation is only skipped due to being trivial, but is still the justification for the ranking. Hence calc stacking will still be an issue for such feats.

While Ichigo's feats are fine to rate him by, it is not something that can be used for this calc.

**Possible Solutions**So what can we do with minimal assumptions from the statements we have? Well, Ichigo near the beginning of his journey appears to break the sound barrier as he hurries down there. So as a baseline we could assume supersonic speed for Ichigo's travel, and use the 9 hours, 15 minutes timeframe for a distance of:

**11421900 m**=**11421.9 km**We could also go off of Tenjiro's statement that a week's travel time with Shunpo would get you there. Shunpo is a technique that is frequently used for FTE travel over short distances. Unfortunately no exact speed is stated for it, or for Ichigo's speed with it. Assuming baseline FTE speed (which is 34.3 m/s on the Speed page), for 1 week's duration, that would get a distance of:

**20744640 m**=**20744.64 km**. Remember this is also likely factoring in the staircase into it as well instead of just being a straight line downwards.USklaverei has created

**his own calculation**for Ichigo's descent which involves using a size calculation for the Seireitei, calculating the speed Ichigo used to cross it, and then calculating Ichigo's acceleration (assuming he accelerated constantly the entire journey). This produces a total distance of:**1686000000 m**=**1686000 km**. My biggest concerns with this calculation is that it involves calc stacking, and it relies on stacking on another distance calculation for the Seireitei's size which I have some objections to.Another option - my preferred one - is to simply not calculate the distance at all, and scale the verse without it like we're currently doing. The results we get from being conservative are extremely low and not reflective of Ichigo's true speed. The latter results procured from calc stacking predictably lead to inflated results.

I'd like the opinions from other Calc Group Members as to whether these possible solutions are reasonable, or if there are alternative suggestions.

Last edited: Dec 6, 2020