Bleach Bankai General Discussion 15

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Ichigo wasn't damaged from Buto Renjin. He definitely dodged or the alternative is he no-sold it which means Hollowfication is a greater than x10 multiplier for his stats.

 

[USklaverei]

Ichigo was only dodging due to not letting Gin point the tip of his zanpakuto at him
furthermore he couldn't even process the sword retracting which should be the same speed as its expansion

not only that but ichigo was visibly damaged from butou renjin, which is more proof that he actually took the attack but got his mask off in time

Even if mach 1000 gin was accepted i doubt it'd scale to Ichigo

So you think Bankai Ichigo took Gin's best attack and left unharmed? Being that before he was already being hurt by blows inferior to this one.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Didn't Gin himself said he was gonna stop holding back ?

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Ichigo literally does that

, he stopped Gin's attack and then counter attacks
Heck to add it even further, Gin opened his eye, and doesn't Gin do that when he's genuinely surprised

 

[USklaverei]

But suppose Bankai Gin is not accepted as such.

We still have Orihime with Massively Hypersonic reaction and the quote from Bankai Ichigo moves at the speed of Lightning.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

I see no reason we shouldn't accept Gin's Bankai since two Databooks clarify his statement that he was telling the truth to Ichigo and lied to Aizen, something we never know since he doesnt tell us what he told Aizen.

 

[USklaverei]

If it is accepted, Ichigo at the end of the fight against Gin would have reaction until mach 3000

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

I'll make the CRT for Gin's Bankai sometime next week given I have the two databooks that clarify his Bankai and have already translated them before.

 

[AppleLord]

Future power for SK Yhwach depending on what you answer in this thread.

> Soul King was sealed in a state of Stagnation.

> Mimihagi controls Stagnation. He been immune to Almighty is because with Stagnation/Stillness he has no future for Yhwach to see.

Shouldn't Yhwach have Stagnation/Stillness and therefore Precog shouldn't work on him since he took Mimihagi's and The Soul King's powers?

This would explainded why Yhwach didn't saw the arrow. It's made from his own power. The silver from Auswhalen isn't call Silver of Stillness for no reason.

Yhwach is the son of the Soul King who was sealed millions of years ago, but Yhwach is only 1,200 years old. The power of Stilness comes from what the noble houses did to the Soul King, right?

 

[USklaverei]

So it seems that this calculation was accepted.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:USklaverei/Bleach_-_Orihime_reacting_to_the_explosio

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Awesome

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

I believe is backscaling since Yamamoto, Shunsui, Ukitake, and Unohana who are the oldest characters didn't trained when they got new feats.
I also did a SS arc Shunsui calc if you want to check it out. Got Mach 203 which is less than Gin's Bankai Mach 500-1000.

You should update this one. The 13 miles is incorrect, it was 22 kilometers which is 13.6702 miles.

 

[AppleLord]

Thanks! But there aren't notable changes is just 73333.515 m/s or mach 213.8

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Accuracy is Accuracy, doesn't matter the change so long as it's correct.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

So it seems that this calculation was accepted.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:USklaverei/Bleach_-_Orihime_reacting_to_the_explosio

If this calc is legit and has been accepted by three calc group members, then this means we can bump the Lieutenants up to MHS. They should be far superior to Soul Society arc Orihime.

Nemu was able to catch Uryu (before he went Letzt Stil) and he was so fast that Orihime couldn't perceive him during the fight against Jirobo.

Even the OBD has had Lieutenants at around Mach 260 to 400 for a couple of years now.

 

[Damage3245]

Orihime having MHS speed that early on does seem weird tbh. Wouldn't that be the fastest feat in the entire series at the point?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Orihime has always had outstanding reaction speed.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Orihime literally does have some of the best reaction feats, better than Ichigo at times even. Explosion reaction.

Reacting to an enraged Ulquiorra that Ichigo couldn't keep up with.

Reacting to Complete Fullbring Ichigo that had just blitzed Tsukishima.

Consistently reacting to Yhwach and his attacks repeatedly when Ichigo was getting bodied.

 

[Damage3245]

Okay, and at the risk of sounding silly can we scale reaction speeds between characters that has never really interacted like Orihime and Yachiru?

Like, it may be obvious that even the weakest Liuetenant should have reactions on par with Orihime but can we prove it?

Or if there a scaling chain that already exists between Orihime and other characters she's fought against?

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Refer my comment above. Orihime couldn't even perceive and react to Uryu during the fight against Jirobo. By the time she perceived him, he had already grabbed her and moved a safe distance from Jirobo.

So Soul Society arc Uryu's speed with Hirenkyaku scales to Orihime. Nemu and Renji scale to Uryu. So would every Lieutenant level.

 

[Damage3245]

From what I can tell Orihime reacted to Uryu shouting at her, not the explosion itself. She even implies that she wouldn't have been able to block it if he hadn't called to her.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

From what I can tell Orihime reacted to Uryu shouting at her, not the explosion itself. She even implies that she wouldn't have been able to block it if he hadn't called to her.

She still managed to put her little buddies in place and erect a barrier in time to defend against the blast. That means her familiars can move and fight at such speeds.

In any case, you should bring up this grievance in the blog and ask the calc group members who reviewed it to comment again. May be even look at the whole chapter?

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

You do forget that Yachiru is actually Nozarachi right ? ...Wait wouldn't that make her like one of the strogest Lieutenants at the time with the exception of Chojiro due to her being Kenny's Zanpakutou ?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Looks like we have another accepted speed calc, and a new one no calced before lol.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:USklaverei/Bleach_-_Ichigo_speed

 

[USklaverei]

That's nice.

Basically, those who scale this are:

Aize
Base Yhwach
Jugram
Ichibe
Ishida

I would even put a Bazz-B like:

Speed: possibly Relativistic (Can accompany and surprise True Shikai Ichigo)

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I think it should only scale to the god tier including Ichibe.

 

[USklaverei]

I agree, however, I thought Bazz-B could climb up.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Ichigo is literally fighting 8 people, it's more like Bazz B attacked when Ichigo was focused on only Robert

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Yeah what Dangai said.

 

[Sekkonds.]

scaling bazz to ichigo is like scaling orihime's speed to yhwach

 

[Peter1129]

Orihime does scale to the god tiers in reaction speed though.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Funny enough i'm pretty sure this will scale to her lol via reaction speed.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Orihime is just a odd case of consistencies when it comes to reaction speed, let's leave it at that

 

[USklaverei]

Yes, Dangai Ichigo and God Aizen also climb.

Orihime must climb, the CRT already exists, it just needs to be accepted now.

 

[USklaverei]

I forgot to mention, the Burner Finger from Bazz-B was able to even surprise and hurt Jugram , we also have him blitzing the Stern Ritters with the same blow, I think at least attack speed should escalate to him.

 

[Aernasilver]

Wew. The grind for Relativistic is finally over.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

It's seems Bazz-B already scaled before? I suppose he could then but i'm pretty unsure.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Orihime's Reactions and Ability Speed Dangai Ichigo and stronger Ichigos' Speed

Hogyoku Aizen and stronger Aizens' Speed

I don't think Base Yhwach scales given his showings against Fullbring Bankai Ichigo; however, Almighty Yhwach scales since he fought True Shikai Ichigo.

Ichibei potentially scales since Azashiro said Hogyoku Aizen still had a decent chance at losing against the Royal Guards which includes Ichibei.

 

[USklaverei]

So it would look like this:

Speed: Sub-Relativist + (Should be at least as fast as the female Sternritter group which could perform this feat), with at least Relativistic attack speed (Burning Finger Blitz in Candice, Liltotto, Giselle and Meninas. It can also surprise and hurt Jugram with the same. )

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Bazz-B got stomped by Jugram and was even blitzed in the fight. He shouldn't scale, but I can agree to his attack speed scaling since it tagged Jugram I guess.